Jean de Conteville[1]

b. 969

Also called Jean de Conteville.[2]

Jean de Conteville was born in 969.

Family

Children

1. Oda de Conteville+ b. c 994[2]

2. Herluin de Conteville+ b. 1001, d. c 1066 [3]

Citations

1. [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 160-33.

2. [S682] D.S.O. Lt.-Col. W. H. Turton, Turton, pg. 100.

3. [S603] C.B., LL.D., Ulster King of Arms Sir Bernard Burke, B:xP, pg. 88.

Jean de Conteville's alleged relationship to a Count of Flanders (son?) seems to be an invention, his parentage is not known. [more info anyone?]

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Jean de Conteville. Earl of Comyn? Jean de Bourg?

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From: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aet-t&id=I72104

(Apparently this link is out of date...)

ID: I72104

Name: Jean De Conteville Viscomte de Comyn

Surname: De Conteville

Given Name: Jean

Suffix: Viscomte de Comyn

Sex: M

Birth: 0959 in Tonsburgh & Comyn, Normandy, France

_UID: B5B527DE8B5C61488E3BE715FED264675F9A

Birth: 0959

AKA Jean de Conteville. Baron of Tonsburgh in Normandy.

General of the French King's forces & governor of his chieftowns.

[Please identify which French King...]

Descendants include Baldwin, 2nd King of Jerusalem.

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John, Earl of Comyn, and Baron of Tonsburgh, in Normandy, being general of the king's forces and governor of his chief towns, there obtained the surname "De Burgh," and took his motto, "Ung roy, ung foy, ung loy," from that of Caen, a chief town in his jurisdiction.

He had issue. The eldest son, Harlowen de Burgh, m. Arlotta, mother of William the Conqueror, and dying before his father, left issue, Odo, bishop of Bayeux, created Earl of Kent, and Robert, Earl of Moreton, in Normandy, who, participating with his brother, the bishop of Bayeux, in the triumph of Hastings, was rewarded by his virtuous kinsman, Duke William, with the Earldom of Cornwall, anno 1068, and grants of not less than seven hundred and ninety-three manors. This nobleman m. Maud, dau. of Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, and had issue, William, his successor, and three daus.

[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 88, Burgh, Earl of Kent]

[1] [2]

Change Date: 20 Dec 2005 at 00:00:00

Father: Baudouin III Count de Flanders & Artoi

b: 0933 in Fflandrys, France

Mother: Matilda de Burgundy Billung

b: in Burgundy, France

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

Children

1. Harlevin (Herlouin) De Conteville Viscomte de Conteville

b: 1001 in Conteville, Normandy, France

(has children)

2. Eustace De Burgo

b: ABT 1005

(has no children)

3. Oda De Conteville

b: 0994 in Mellent, Normandy, France

(has children)

4. Baldwin le Bourg Count de Rethel

(has children)

Sources:

1. Repository (LDS?):

Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton {1968}

Note: Source Media Type: Book

Page: 8, 100

2. Title: A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire

Author: Sir Bernard Burke, C.B, LL.D

Publication: Harrison, 1883

Page: 88, Burgh, Earl of Kent

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Not at all clear how this person connects with the House of Flanders, a very old lineage that descends in part from Emperor of the Romans Charlemagne. The connection is asserted by the Celtic Casimir online family tree:

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/3/3142.htm

Earl Jean DE CONTEVILLE vicomte de Comyn 1055

Born: Abt 962, Tonsburgh & Comyn, Normandy, France 1055

Ancestral File Number: 8JF1-G8.

Marriage Information:

Jean married Unnamed Dame de Meullant. (Unnamed Dame de Meullant was born about 974 in Mellent, Normandy, France.)

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Apparently, the name Comyn comes from either Breton or from the town of Comines on the border of France and Belgium. From a cached page on the Comyn name:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/comyns-family-crest.htm

It is generally believed that this name comes from a Breton personal name, derived from element "cam," meaning "bent," or "crooked," or perhaps from the herb called "cummin" (cumin). Or the name may have come from the place name Comines, in Flanders, Northern France.

Robert de Comyn (Comines), a noble who accompanied William the Conquerer in 1066, was made Earl of Northumberland.

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There are a number of Contevilles in northern France. The Conteville in Haute-Normandie seems to be the most likely choice given its proximity to Grestain, which is the site of an abbey closely associated with the Vicomte de Conteville:

From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Normandy Nobility:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc254886814

HERLUIN, son of --- (-[1066], bur Grestain). Vicomte de Conteville.

It should be noted that Herluin, according to information above, should be Jean's eldest son, but the researcher on the Medlands project apparently did not find confirmation of any such parent-son connection.

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ID: I00666 Jean de Conteville , Vicomte de Comyn

Name: John de CONTEVILLE (no title & no ancestry given) [Ref: Turton p8 & 100]

Name: John de BURGH, Earl of COMYN (see Burke's below)

Name: John Earl of COMYN (see Burke's below)

Name: Jean Count de CONTEVILLE (I didn't cite this at the time I entered it into my database but it was probably from McBride... Curt)

WARNING: Burke's = cum grano salis, caveat emptor!

John, Earl of Comyn, and Baron of Tonsburgh, in Normandy, being general of the king's forces and governor of his chief towns, there obtained the surname 'De Burgh,' and took his motto, 'Ung roy, ung foy, ung loy,' from that of Caen, a chief town in his jurisdiction. He had issue. The eldest son, Harlowen de Burgh, m. Arlotta, mother of William the Conqueror, and dying before his father, left issue, Odo, bishop of Bayeux, created Earl of Kent, and Robert, Earl of Moreton, in Normandy, who, participating with his brother, the bishop of Bayeux, in the triumph of Hastings, was rewarded by his virtuous kinsman, Duke William, with the Earldom of Cornwall, anno 1068, and grants of not less than seven hundred and ninety-three manors. This nobleman m. Maud, dau. of Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, and had issue, William, his successor, and three daus. [Ref: Burke's Extinct 1883 p88, Burgh, Earl of Kent]

Research note: "Jean de Conteville is on most shaky ground, and even if he did exist, he was of the most minor nobility, not great-grandson of a monarch (Charlemagne was suggested). Herluin's claimed parentage is not well supported (the name Jean would have been most unusual in Normandy at the time)." [Ref: TAF 1 Feb 2002]

My notes indicate that McBride makes him son of Baldwin II "the Bald" Count of FLANDERS & ARTOIS & AElfthryth/Ethelswithe of ENGLAND aka: Ælfthryth (Ælfþryð, Elftrude) of WESSEX per Henry Project, dau of Alfred the Great. McBride cited RfC (yikes!) & Weis AR but I can't find anything in Weis AR7. Perhaps it was in a previous edition but was dropped in succeeding editions.

Regards,

Curt

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igmpostem.cgi?op=show&app=jweber¬ify=GNxuisph2uKJGUfPOuo53bzgUVmFTmHm&key=I00666&return=%3Ca+href%3D%22%2Fcgi-bin%2Figm.cgi%3Fop%3DGET%26amp%3Bdb%3Djweber%26amp%3Bid%3DI00666%22%3EReturn+to+WorldConnect%3C%2Fa%3E

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See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p55.htm#i6646 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- http://larryvoyer.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I47085&tree=v7_28 -------------------- Another name for John was Jean De Conteville Lord Tonsburgh.

   General Notes: Descendants include Baldwin, 2nd King of Jerusalem.

       Noted events in his life were:

       1. Fact 1: Aka Jean DE Conteville. Baron Of Tonsburgh In Normandy.

       2. Fact 2: General Of The French King's Forces & Governor Of His Chief Towns.

       3. Fact 3: Descendants Include Baldwin, 2ND King Of Jerusalem.