Joane de Poynings

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In my post yesterday regarding Sir Thomas Mortimer, I inadvertedly stated that the mother of Sir Thomas' wife, Agnes Poynings, Lady Bardolf, was "Joan, daughter of Richard Rokesley, Knt." In this statement, I was following Complete Peerage, 9 (1936): 39 (sub Moleyns), which wrongly identified Agnes' mother, Joan, as the

daughter of Sir Richard Rokesley. Agnes Poynings' mother was definitely named Joan. However, Joan's maiden name and parentage are still unknown [see, for example, Complete Peerage, 14 (1998): 65].

Sir Richard Rokesley (or Rokesle) was actually the father of Agnes (Poynings) (Bardolf) Mortimer's paternal grandmother, Agnes de Rokesley (or Rokesle), wife of Thomas de Poynings, Knt. [see, for example, Ireland, Hist. of the County of Kent 4 (1830): 529-530;

Procs. Soc. Antiq. 3 (1856): 160-161]. So, there is definitely a Rokesley-Poynings connection, but it is one generation back of where Complete Peerage said it was.

Sir Richard de Rokesley (or Rokesle) has been identified in print as the son of Gregory de Rokesley (died 1291), Mayor of London, King's Chamberlain [see, for example, D.N.B. 17 (1909): 155-156 (biog. of Gregory de Rokesley)]. However, Gregory de Rokesley's heir was named in an inquisition as Roger de Risslep, son of his sister, Agnes [Reference: Roberts, Cal. Gen. i. 441]. I haven't studied the Rokesley family tree in any depth, but I note in the online National Archives catalogue there are two records in the right time period which refer to Richard de Rokesley: C 143/36/4 John de Rokesle to grant the manors of Westwood and Ruxley, Kent to Richard de Rokesle. Date: 29 Edward I [1300-1301].

C 134/66/23 Richard son of John de Rokesle alias de Rokeslee (Ruxley): Kent Date: 14 Edward II [1320-1321].

The first document clearly involves Agnes Poynings' great-grandfather, Sir Richard de Rokesley, who had possession of the manors of Westwood and Ruxley, Kent at the time of his death in 1322. I assume the

second document involves the same Richard de Rokesle, only his father's name, John, is given in that record.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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Sir Michael de Poynings, 2nd Baron Poynings, Knight, (1317 - 15 March 1369), of Bures St. Mary, Suffolk. He was present at the Battle of Crécy.

Michael de Poynings was summoned to Parliament as a baron from the 25th February 1342 to 24 February 1368. On account of the valiant conduct of his father, Thomas, who died in 1339 in battle at the storming of Hunycourt in Vermandois, France, the King received Michael's homage, though under age, and granted him livery of his lands and full benefit of his marriage taking security for the payment of the relief.

Poynings gave a thousand marks to Queen Philippa of Hainault in 1366 for the wardship and marriage of William son and heir of John Lord Bardolf to the end that he might take Agnes his daughter to wife, who by the name of "Agnes Bardolf" is mentioned as a legatee in the will of her mother, Joane Lady Poynings, dated 12 May 1369, and by that of' Lady Bardolf my sister' in the Will of Thomas Lord Poyings 28 October 1374.

Sir Michael de Poynings, 2nd Baron Poynings, married Joane (d.11 May 1369), daughter of Sir Richard Rokesley, Knight, and widow of Sir John de Molyns, Knight. They were buried together in the parish church at Poynings, Sussex. He was succeeded by his son Thomas de Poynings, 3rd Baron Poynings.

References

Burke, John, and John Bernard, The Royal Families of England Scotland and Wales, with their Descendants etc., London, 1848, volume 2, pedigrees XIV and XVI where Lord Poynings is erroneously given the Christian name of Thomas;and pedigree CXVII for the marriage of his daughter Agnes.

Burke, Sir Bernard, Ulster King of Arms, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, London, 1883, p.444.

Coppinger, W.A., M.A.,LL.D.,F.S.A.,F.R.S.A., The Manors of Suffolk, London, 1905, p.49.

The Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, where there is an extensive entry.

Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, Md., 2004, p.56.

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Sir Michael de Poynings, 1st Lord Poynings was the son of Sir Thomas de Poynings and Agnes de Rokesley.1 He died on 1 March 1368/69.

Child of Sir Michael de Poynings, 1st Lord Poynings and Joan Lovel

1.Sir Richard de Poynings, 3rd Lord Poynings+

Citations

1.[S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family."

http://thepeerage.com/p39467.htm#i394662

Joan Lovel is the daughter of Sir Richard Lovel.

Child of Joan Lovel and Sir Michael de Poynings, 1st Lord Poynings

1.Sir Richard de Poynings, 3rd Lord Poynings+

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Michael De POYNINGS (2º B. Poynings)

Born: ABT 1317, Poynings, Sussex, England

Died: 7 Mar 1369

Notes: also known as Miles de Poynings. Like his father, he was a retainer of the Warenne Earls of Surrey, and later of their heirs, the FitzAlan Earls of Arundel. In consideration of the merits of his father, who died in the attack on Honnecourt, Sir Michael was allowed to inherit his estates while still a minor. He accompanied his uncle, another Sir Michael de Poynings on the Crécy-Calais expedition of 1346-47. He was the first of his family to be summoned to Parliament. He made his will in Sep 1368, leaving 200 marks for the rebuilding of the church at Poynings. At the time of his death he held the manors of Poynings, Pangden, Perching, Hangleton, West Dean, Twineham, Waldron, Crawley, and Slaugham (Sussex); Terlingham, Newington, Bertram, Westwood, Eastwell, and Horsmonden (Kent); Wrentham (Suffolk); Wilton (Norfolk); and La Lee and La Gore, by Lavington (Wiltshire). He was guardian of William Bardolf his future son-in-law.

Father: Thomas De POYNINGS (1º B. Poynings)

Mother: Agnes De ROKESLEY

Marriage: Joan De ROKESLEY (B. Poynings) (dau. of Richard De Rokesley) ABT 1350

Children:

1. Elizabeth De POYNINGS

2. Margaret De POYNINGS

3. Thomas De POYNINGS (3º B. Poynings)

4. Richard De POYNINGS (4º B. Poynings)

5. Agnes De POYNINGS

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