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John Norbury

Birthplace: Norbury, Cheshire, England
Death: Died in Grey Friars, London, Middlesex, England
Place of Burial: London, Greater London, England, United Kingdom
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Son of Thomas de de Norbury and Matilda de Norbury
Husband of Elizabeth Butler, Lady Say and Petronella Norbury
Father of Henry Norbury, Knight; Sir John Norbury; Elizabeth Hende Butler and Joan Norbury

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About John Norbury

From 'Lady Eleanor Talbot's Other Husband: Sir Thomas Butler, Heir of Sudeley, and his Family' (The Ricardian, Volume XIV, 2004, pp. 62-81): by John Ashdown-Hill

"Thomas' mother was Ralph's first wife. Her name has been given by most earlier writers as Elizabeth Hende [footnote: 'Complete Peerage', vol. 12 part 1, London 1953, p. 421.] but, like Alice Lovel, Elizabeth had also had a previous husband, and Hende was not her maiden name, but rather the surname which she had acquired by that previous marriage ... Elizabeth's maiden name was Norbury, which is a toponym. Her family had for several generations held the manor of Norbury in Cheshire, and under the earlier surname of Bulkeley, had been domiciled in that county for even longer ... Sir Thomas's mother was the daughter of the wealthy Sir John Norbury I of Norbury, Cheshire, Treasurer of England. The career of Sir John Norbury I is well documented, although the fact that he was Sir Thomas Butler's grandfather has not previously been


"Elizabeth Norbury had at least one sister and two half-brothers. Her father married twice. His first wife, the mother, if chronology is any guide, of both Elizabeth and her sister, Joan, was called Petronilla,

but her maiden surname I have not discovered. Petronilla was still living in August 1401, when she is named with her husband as the recipient of Henry IV's grant of the manor of Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, but by 1412 Sir John [Norbury] was married to Lord Sudeley's sister, Elizabeth Butler, and they already had two sons. Probably Petronilla died in about 1404 and Sir John's marriage with the widowed Elizabeth Butler, Lady Say, took place in about 1405. [footnote: 'CPR 1399-1401',p. 541; 'CPR 1408-13', p. 404.] ... As we have seen, thanks to her father's business connections, in about 1408, Elizabeth [Norbury], who was then probably about fifteen years of age, was married to the much

older but very wealthy widower, John Hende II, draper and past mayor (1391-92 and 1404-05). John was probably aged about fifty-eight at the time of marriage ... John Hende II died in 1418 ... About a year later, Elizabeth married Ralph Butler, who, on the death of an elder brother, had recently inherited the title of Lord Sudeley."

Bio by contributor: Anne Shurtleff Stevens John Norbury, Esq., of Hoddensden, Little Berkhampstead and Bedwell in Essendon, Hertfordshire. Knight of the Shire for Hertfordshire, Treasurer of England, member of council for Henry VI, Keeper of the Privy Wardrobe in Tower of London, Captain of Guines.

Younger son of Thomas de Norbury and his wife, the heiress of Pembridge.

Husband of a Pernel, married about 1385 and father of one daughter, Joan, who married Nicholas Usk and William Parker.

Secondly, husband of Elizabeth Boteler, daughter of Thomas Boteler and Alice de Beauchamp. She was previously married to, as his second wife, Sir William Heron. They married before 30 Oct 1410 and had two sons; Sir Henry and Sir John.

John left home to become a soldier in France, fighting in Brittany in the service of the Duke of Brittany in 1368. In 1385 he arrived at Lisbon from Bordeaux and served as mercenary for Joao, King of Portugal at the Battle of Aljubarrota. He then joined up with the Earl of Derby, Henry, who became King Henry IV, and became a permanent member of council, then the Treasurer of England.

After 1399, Sir Ralph de Neville awarded him the manor of Chestnut Hertfordshire for life, the grant was confirmed by King Henry in 1412.

John was buried at Grey Friars, London with his first wife. His widow, Eleizabeth, remarried to Sir John Montgomery of Essex who died in 1449. They had two sons and one daughter, Alice, the wife of Clement Spice, Robert Langley and Edmund Wiseman. Elizabeth died 05 Feb 1465 and was laid to rest at Erdbury Priory.

NOTE: Douglas Richardson's "Plantagenet Ancestry" states John was in service of King Henry VI. The dates of Henry's rule shows this to be an error. Madeline Barber's "The English Historical Review" covers John and lists John's King was Henry IV."

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John Norbury's Timeline

Norbury, Cheshire, England
Age 18
Age 35
Stoke d'Abernon, Surrey, England, (Present UK)
Age 37
Stoke D'Abernon, Surrey, , England
Age 39
Grey Friars, London, Middlesex, England
London, Greater London, England, United Kingdom