John Sutton (c.1494 - 1553) MP

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Nicknames: "3rd Baron Dudley", "Lord Quondam"
Death: Died in London, United Kingdom
Occupation: pauper and national laughing-stock
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About John Sutton

John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley (1494-1553), commonly known as Lord Quondam, was the eldest son and heir of Sir Edward Sutton, 2nd Baron Dudley and his wife Lady Cicely (Willoughby) Sutton.

He was born about 1494, at Dudley Castle, Worcestershire.

He was betrothed to Lady Cicely Grey (a daughter of Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset, by Cicely, his wife, suo jure Baroness Harrington and Bonville) by 30 October 1501, whom he subsequently married.

He was knighted 13 October 1513.

He succeeded his father as Baron Dudley in 1532 and immediately began to sell his patrimony. He was never summoned to Parliament.

He acquired the nickname, "Lord Quondam" ("Lord Has-been" or "Lord Formerly"), when he allowed his estate, including the castle of Dudley, to fall into the possession of his cousin, John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland. The Duke resided at Dudley Castle and added new and magnificent structures to the old fortress. After Northumberland's execution, Dudley Castle was forfeited to the crown, and in 1555 was restored to Lord Quondam's eldest son, Edward Sutton, 4th Baron Dudley.

'Lord Quondam' had several brothers: Thomas, William, Arthur, Geoffery and George. Lord Dudley decided upon a city residence at Tothill Street in Westminster. He died in Middlesex and was buried 18 September 1553 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster, London; his wife was buried there on 28 April 1554.

Dugdale wrote, “It is reported by credible tradition of this John Lord Dudley, that being a weak man of understanding, whereby he had exposed himself to some wants, and so became entangled in the usurer’s bonds, John Dudley, then Viscount Lisle and Earl of Warwick (afterwards Duke of Northumberland), thirsting after Dudley Castle, the chief seat of the family, made those money merchants his instruments to work him out of it, which by some mortgage being at length effected, this poor lord became exposed to the charity of his friends for a subsistence, and spending the remainder of his life in visits amongst them, was commonly called the Lord Quondam.”

His children included Edward, Captain Henry (Knt.), George, Margaret, Thomas, Dorothy, Elizabeth, and Robert.

It is often stated that a grandson of Captain Henry Dudley was that Thomas Dudley who sailed on the Arbella in 1630 to become governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony several times. However suggestions of a connection to this family (Sutton) are not proven and may be an attempt to give the Massachusetts governor a more grand genealogy than he actually has.

Peerage of England

Preceded by

Edward Sutton Baron Dudley

1532-1553 Succeeded by

Edward Sutton

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Footnotes

  1. Cutter, W. R., Genealogical and Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of Boston and Eastern Massachusetts (1908. New York. Reprinted 1995. Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. Baltimore), p. 1419.
     Quality: 3.
  2. Ibid., p. 1419.
     Quality: 3.
  3. Ibid., p. 1419.
     Quality: 3.

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  • John Sutton, 3rd Lord Dudley1
  • M, #120212, b. circa 1495, d. circa September 1553
  • Last Edited=16 Mar 2011
  • John Sutton, 3rd Lord Dudley was born circa 1495.1 He was the son of Edward Sutton, 2nd Lord Dudley and Cicely Willoughby.2 He married Lady Cicely Grey, daughter of Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset and Cecilia Bonville, Baroness Bonville and Harington, after 30 October 1519.2 He died circa September 1553 at Westminster, London, England.2 He was buried on 18 September 1553 at St. Margaret's Church, Westminster, London, England.2
  • He was also known as John Dudley.1 He succeeded to the title of 3rd Lord Dudley [E., 1440] on 31 January 1508.2 He was invested as a Knight in 1513.2
  • Children of John Sutton, 3rd Lord Dudley and Lady Cicely Grey
    • 1.Edward Sutton, 4th Lord Dudley+2 d. 8 Jul 1586
    • 2.Henry Dudley2
    • 3.George Dudley2
    • 4.Eleanor Sutton+3
    • 5.Thomas Dudley+2 b. c 1539, d. c 1574
  • Citations
  • 1.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume IV, page 481. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
  • 2.[S37] Volume 1, page 1192. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  • 3.[S8] Volume 1, page 228. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
  • From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p12022.htm#i120212

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  • Sir John Dudley, 3rd Lord Dudley1,2,3,4,5,6
  • M, #86884, b. circa 1496
  • Father Sir Edward Sutton, 2nd Lord Dudley & Lord Powys1,7,8 b. c 1460, d. 31 Jan 1532
  • Mother Cecily Willoughby1,7,8 d. a 14 Nov 1541
  • Sir John Dudley, 3rd Lord Dudley was born circa 1496; Age 36 in 1532.1,4 He married Cecily Grey, daughter of Sir Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset, Lord Ferrers, Constable of the Tower of London & Ruthland Castle and Cecily Bonville, circa 1512; Betrothed before 30 October 1501. They had 4 sons (Sir Edward, 4th Lord Dudley; Sir Henry; Thomas; & Sir George) and 3 daughters (Margaret, wife of William Gibbons; Dorothy; & Elizabeth).1,2,9,3,4,5,6 Sir John Dudley, 3rd Lord Dudley was buried on 18 September 1553 at St. Margaret's Chapel, Westminster, London, Middlesex, England.1,2,4
  • Family Cecily Grey b. c 1488
  • Children
    • Sir Edward Dudley, 4th Lord Dudley+10 b. c 1513
    • Sir Henry Dudley+2 b. c 1517, d. bt 1568 - 1570
  • Citations
  • 1.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. IV, p. 481.
  • 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 279-280.
  • 3.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 306.
  • 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 157.
  • 5.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 166.
  • 6.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 163.
  • 7.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 279.
  • 8.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 156.
  • 9.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 359.
  • 10.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. IV, p. 481-2.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p2892.htm#i86884

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John Sutton's Timeline

1445
1445
1494
1494
1514
1514
Age 20
1516
1516
Age 22
London, UK
1517
1517
Age 23
Dudley Castle, Stafford, England
1517
Age 23
1519
1519
Age 25
Dudley Castle, Stafford, England
1521
October 30, 1521
Age 27
Betrothed Before
1521
Age 27
Dudley Castle, Stafford, England
1523
1523
Age 29
Dudley Castle, Stafford, England