|Also Known As:||"Old Talbot", ""Old Talbot"", "1st Earl of Waterford"|
|Birthplace:||Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England|
|Death:||Died in Castillon, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France|
|Place of Burial:||St.Alkmund's Church, Whitchurch, Salop, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom|
Son of Richard Talbot, 4th Baron Talbot and Ankaret Talbot, Baroness of Talbot
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John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury
John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and 1st Earl of Waterford KG (1384/1387 Blakemere, Shropshire – 17 July 1453 Castillon, France), known as "Old Talbot" was an important English military commander during the Hundred Years' War, as well as the only Lancastrian Constable of France.
He was descended from Richard Talbot, a tenant in 1086 of Walter Giffard at Woburn and Battledsen in Bedfordshire. The Talbot family were vassals of the Giffards in Normandy. Hugh Talbot, probably Richard's son, made a grant to Beaubec Abbey, confirmed by his son Richard Talbot in 1153. This Richard (d. 1175) is listed in 1166 as holding three fees of the Honour of Giffard in Buckinghamshire. He also held a fee at Linton in Herefordshire, for which his son Gilbert Talbot (d. 1231) obtained a fresh charter in 1190. Gilbert's grandson Gilbert (d. 1274) married Gwenlynn Mechyll, daughter and sole heiress of the Welsh Prince Rhys Mechyll, whose armorials the Talbots thenceforth assumed in lieu of their own former arms. Their son Sir Richard Talbot, who signed the Barons' Letter, 1301, held the manor of Eccleswall in Herefordshire in right of his wife Sarah, sister of William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick. In 1331 Richard's son Gilbert Talbot (1276–1346) was summoned to Parliament, which is considered evidence of his baronial status - see Baron Talbot. Gilbert's son Richard married Elizabeth Comyn, bringing with her the inheritance of Goodrich Castle in Herefordshire.
John Talbot was second son of Richard Talbot, 4th Baron Talbot, by Ankaret le Strange, 7th Baroness Strange of Blackmere. His younger brother Richard became Archbishop of Dublin and Lord Chancellor of Ireland and one of the most influential Irish statesmen of his time.
His father died in 1396 when Talbot was just nine years old, and so it was Ankaret's second husband, Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, who became the major influence in his early life. The marriage also gave the opportunity of a title for her second son as Neville had no sons with the title going through his eldest daughter Maud. who would become John's 1st wife.
Talbot was married before 12 March 1407 to Maud Neville, 6th Baroness Furnivall, daughter and heiress of Thomas Neville, 5th Baron Furnivall, the son of John Neville, 3rd Baron Neville de Raby. He was summoned to Parliament in her right from 1409.
The couple are thought to have four children:
- Thomas Talbot (19 June 1416 Finglas, Ireland - 10 August 1416)
- John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury (c. 1417 – 11 July 1460)
- Sir Christopher Talbot (1419–10 August 1443),
- Lady Joan Talbot (c 1422), married James Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley.
In 1421 by the death of his niece he acquired the Baronies of Talbot and Strange. His first wife, Maud died on 31 May 1422. It has been suggested as an indirect result of giving birth to daughter Joan, although due to a lack of evidence of her life before her marriage to Lord Berkeley has even led to a theory that she was actually Talbot's daughter-in-law through marriage to Sir Christopher Talbot.
On 6 September 1425, he married Lady Margaret Beauchamp, eldest daughter of Richard de Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick and Elizabeth de Berkeley in the chapel at Warwick Castle. They had five children:
- John Talbot, 1st Viscount Lisle (1426 – 17 July 1453)
- Sir Louis Talbot (c 1429-1458)
- Sir Humphrey Talbot (before 1434 – c. 1492)
- Lady Eleanor Talbot (c February/March 1436 - 30 June 1468) married to Sir Thomas Butler and mistress to King Edward IV.
- Lady Elizabeth Talbot (c December 1442/January 1443). She married John de Mowbray, 4th Duke of Norfolk.
Talbot is known to have had at least one illegitimate child, Henry. He may have served in France with his father as it is known that a bastard son of the Earl of Shrewsbury was captured by the Dauphin on 14 August 1443.
From 1404 to 1413 he served with his elder brother Gilbert in the Welsh war or the rebellion of Owain Glyndwr. Then for five years from February 1414 he was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, where he did some fighting. He had a dispute with the Earl of Ormond and Reginald Grey, 3rd Baron Grey de Ruthyn over the inheritance for the honour of Wexford which he held. Complaints were made against him both for harsh government in Ireland and for violence in Herefordshire.
The dispute with the Earl of Ormond escalated into a long-running feud between Shrewsbury and his brother, the Archbishop of Dublin, on the one hand and the Butler family on the other and their allies the Berkeleys. The feud reached its height in the 1440s, and in the end just about every senior official in Ireland had taken sides in the quarrel; both sides were reprimanded by the Privy Council for weakening English rule in Ireland. Friendly relations were finally achieved by the marriage of Shrewsbury's son and heir to Ormond's daughter.
From 1420 to 1424 he served in France, apart from a brief return at the end of the first year to organise the festivities of celebrating the coronation of Catherine of France, the bride of Henry V.
He returned to France in May 1421 and took part in the Battle of Verneuil on 17 August 1424 earning him the Order of the Garter.
In 1425, he was lieutenant again for a short time in Ireland; he served again in 1446-7.
So far his career was that of a turbulent Marcher Lord, employed in posts where a rough hand was useful. In 1427 he went again to France, where he fought alongside the Duke of Bedford and the Earl of Warwick with distinction in Maine and at the Siege of Orléans. He fought at the Battle of Patay on 18 June 1429 where he was captured and held prisoner for four years.
He was released in exchange for the French leader Jean Poton de Xaintrailles and returned to England in May 1433. He stayed until July when he returned to France under the Earl of Somerset.
Talbot was a daring and aggressive soldier, perhaps the most audacious captain of the age. He and his forces were ever ready to retake a town and to meet a French advance. His trademark was rapid aggressive attacks. He was rewarded by being appointed governor and lieutenant general in France and Normandy and, in 1434, the Duke of Bedford made him Count of Clermont.
In January 1436, he led a small force including Kyriell and routed La Hire and Xaintrailles at Ry near Rouen. The following year at Crotoy, after a daring passage of the Somme, he put a numerous Burgundian force to flight. In December 1439, following a surprise flank attack on their camp, he dispersed the 6000 strong army of the Constable Richemont, and the following year he retook Harfleur. In 1441, he pursued the French army four times over the Seine and Oise rivers in an unavailing attempt to bring it to battle.
Around February 1442, Talbot returned to England to request urgent reinforcements for the Duke of York in Normandy. In March, under king's orders, ships were requisitioned for this purpose with Talbot himself responsible for assembling ships from the Port of London and from Sandwich.
On Whit Sunday, 20 May, Henry VI awarded him the title of Comes Salopie, translated as Earl of Shropshire but despite this he popularly became Earl of Shrewsbury. Just five days later, with the requested re-inforcements, Talbot returned to France where in June they mustered at Harfleur. During that time, he met his six-old year daughter Eleanor for the first time and almost certainly left the newly created Countess Margaret pregnant with another child.
In June 1443, Talbot again returned to England on behalf of the Duke of York to plead for reinforcements, but this time the English Council refused, instead sending a separate force under Shrewsbury's brother-in-law, Edmund Beaufort. His son, Sir Christoper stayed in England where shortly afterwards he was murdered with a lance at the age of 23 by one of his own men, Griffin Vachan of Treflidian on 10 August at "Cawce, County Salop" (Caus Castle).
He was appointed in 1445 by Henry VI (as king of France) as Constable of France. Taken hostage at Rouen in 1449 he promised never to wear armour against the French King again, and he was true to his word. However, though he did not personally fight, he continued to command English forces against the French. He was defeated and killed in 1453 at the Battle of Castillon near Bordeaux, which effectively ended English rule in the duchy of Aquitaine, a principal cause of the Hundred Years' War. His heart was buried in the doorway of St Alkmund's Church, Whitchurch, Shropshire.
The victorious French generals raised a monument to Talbot on the field called Notre Dame de Talbot and a French Chronicler paid him handsome tribute:
- "Such was the end of this famous and renowned English leader who for so long had been one of the most formidable thorns in the side of the French, who regarded him with terror and dismay" - Matthew d'Escourcy
Although Talbot is generally remembered as a great soldier, some have raised doubts as to his generalship. In particular, charges of rashness have been raised against him. Speed and aggression were key elements in granting success in medieval war, and Talbot's numerical inferiority necessitated surprise. Furthermore, he was often in the position of trying to force battle on unwilling opponents. At his defeat at Patay in 1429 he was advised not to fight there by Sir John Fastolf, who was subsequently blamed for the debacle, but the French, inspired by Joan of Arc, showed unprecedented fighting spirit - usually they approached an English position with trepidation. The charge of rashness is perhaps more justifiable at Castillon where Talbot, misled by false reports of a French retreat, attacked their entrenched camp frontally - facing wheel to wheel artillery.
He is portrayed heroically in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 1: "Valiant Lord Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury, Created, for his rare success in arms". Talbot's failures are all blamed on Fastolf and feuding factions in the English court. Thomas Nashe, commenting on the play in his booklet Pierce Penniless, stated that Talbot's example was inspiring Englishman anew, two centuries after his death,
- How would it have joyed brave Talbot, the terror of the French, to think that after he had lain two hundred years in his tomb, he should triumph again on the stage, and have his bones new embalmed with the tears of ten thousand spectators at least (at several times) who in the tragedian that represents his person imagine they behold him fresh bleeding. I will defend it against any collian or clubfisted usurer of them all, there is no immortality can be given a man on earth like unto plays.
John Talbot is shown as a featured character in Koei's video game Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War, appearing as the left-arm of Edward, the Black Prince, in which he assists the former and the respective flag of England throughout his many portrayals.
Talbot appears as one of the primary antagonists in the PSP game Jeanne d'Arc.
- Sir John Talbot, 4th Earl Shrewsbury, Wexford, Waterford, 7th Lord Talbot, Count of Clermont1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15
- M, #11080, b. circa 1392, d. 17 July 1453
- Father Sir Richard Talbot, 4th Lord Talbot, Baron de Blackmere16,17,18 b. c 1361, d. 8 Sep 1396
- Mother Ankaret le Strange16,17,18 b. c 1361, d. 1 Jun 1413
- Sir John Talbot, 4th Earl Shrewsbury, Wexford, Waterford, 7th Lord Talbot, Count of Clermont was born circa 1392 at of Eccleswall in Linton and Wormelow, Herefordshire, England; Age 30 in 1422.2,5,14 He married Maud Neville, daughter of Sir Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, Treasurer of England, Keeper of Annandale, Keeper of the Castles of Berwick-on-Tweed, Alnwick, & Warkworth, Constable of Lochmaben Castle and Joan Furnivall, before 8 March 1407; They had 3 sons (Sir John, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord Furnival; Thomas; & Sir Christopher).19,2,20,5,6,11,14 Sir John Talbot, 4th Earl Shrewsbury, Wexford, Waterford, 7th Lord Talbot, Count of Clermont married Margaret Beauchamp, daughter of Sir Richard Beauchamp, 13th Earl Warwick, Earl of Albemarle & Worcester, Lord Abergavenny, Sheriff of Worcestershire and Elizabeth Berkeley, on 6 September 1425 at Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England; They had 3 sons (Sir John, 1st Viscount Lisle; Sir Humphrey; & Sir Lewis) and 3 daughters (Elizabeth, wife of Sir Edward Grey, 3rd Viscount Lisle; Eleanor, wife of Sir Thomas Boteler; & Joan, wife of Sir James, 6th Lord Berkeley, & Edmund Hungerford, Esq.).21,2,3,4,5,8,9,10,12,13,14 Sir John Talbot, 4th Earl Shrewsbury, Wexford, Waterford, 7th Lord Talbot, Count of Clermont died on 17 July 1453 at Battle of Castillon on the Dordogne, France; Buried at St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Shropshire. By a mistress or mistresses, he also had an illegitimate son (Henry) & an illegitimate daughter (Katherine, wife of Nicholas Eyton).2,5,14
- Family 1 Maud Neville b. c 1392, d. 13 Dec 1423
- Sir Christopher Talbot2 d. 10 Jul 1460
- Katherine Talbot+22 b. c 1413
- Sir John Talbot, 5th Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord Furnival, Lord High Treasurer & Chief Butler of England, Chancellor of Ireland, Chief Justice of Chester+23,5,14 b. 12 Dec 1413, d. 10 Jul 1460
- Family 2 Margaret Beauchamp b. 1404, d. 14 Jun 1467
- Elizabeth Talbot+2,4,5,7,12,14,15
- Sir Humphrey Talbot d. 1492
- Sir Lewis Talbot2
- Joan Talbot24,2,25,5,10,14 d. a 26 May 1474
- Sir John Talbot, Lord, Baron & 1st Viscount Lisle+2,5,14 b. c 1426, d. 17 Jul 1453
- Eleanor Talbot26,2,27,5,8,13,14 b. c 1428, d. 30 Jun 1468
- 1.[S2874] Unknown author, Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles by Paget, Vol. II, p. 405.
- 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 704.
- 3.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 149.
- 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 215.
- 5.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 169-170.
- 6.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 259.
- 7.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 415-416.
- 8.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 231.
- 9.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 301.
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- 18.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 117-118.
- 19.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. XI, p. 702.
- 20.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 737.
- 21.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. VIII, p. 55.
- 22.[S61] Unknown author, Family Group Sheets, Family History Archives, SLC.
- 23.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 704-705.
- 24.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 100.
- 25.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 181.
- 26.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. XII/1, p. 421.
- 27.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 140.
- From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p369.htm#i11080
- General John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury1
- M, #107601, b. circa 1390, d. 20 July 1453
- Last Edited=12 Mar 2009
- General John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury was born circa 1390. He was the son of Richard Talbot, 4th Lord Talbot and Ankaret Lestrange. He married Maud de Neville, Baroness Furnival, daughter of Thomas de Neville, 5th Lord Furnival and Joan de Furnevalle, 5th Baroness Furnival, before 12 March 1406/7.2 He married, secondly, Lady Margaret Beauchamp, daughter of Richard Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick and Elizabeth de Berkeley, on 6 September 1425.3,4 He died on 20 July 1453 at near Chastillon, killed in action, along with the 'Bastard of Orleans'.
- As a result of his marriage, General John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury was styled as 6th Baron Furnivalle before 12 March 1406/7. He gained the title of 1st Earl of Shrewsbury in 1442.1
- Child of General John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury
- 1.unknown Talbot+5
- Children of General John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Maud de Neville, Baroness Furnival
- 1.Sir Christopher Talbot d. 10 Jul 1460
- 2.Lady Joan Talbot6
- 3.John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury+ b. c 1413, d. 11 Jul 1460
- Children of General John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Lady Margaret Beauchamp
- 1.Sir Humphrey Talbot d. c 1492
- 2.Sir Lewis Talbot
- 3.Elizabeth Talbot+1
- 4.John Talbot, 1st Viscount Lisle+ b. c 1426, d. 17 Jul 1453
- 1.[S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 139. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Families.
- 2.[S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 14. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
- 3.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 131. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
- 4.[S37] BP2003 volume 1, page 347. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
- 5.[S37] BP2003. [S37]
- 6.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 132.
- From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p10761.htm#i107601
- John TALBOT (1º E. Shrewsbury)
- Born: 1384
- Acceded: 20 May 1442
- Died: 17 Jul 1453, Castillon, Dordogne, France
- Buried: St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Salop
- Notes: Knight of the Garter. Lord Talbot 1421. Lord Furnivall, Lord Strange of Blackmere, Earl of Salop, Created Earl of Waterford 17 Jul 1446. Marshal of France, Fought in the French wars under Henry V. Taken prisoner by Joan of Arc. Killed in battle at Chastillon, near Bordeaux in 1453.
- Father: Richard TALBOT (4º B. Talbot)
- Mother: Ankaret STRANGE (B. Strange of Blackmere)
- Married 1: Maud NEVILLE (B. Strange/C. Shrewsbury) 12 Mar 1406
- 1. John TALBOT (2º E. Shrewsbury)
- 2. Christopher TALBOT (Sir Knight)
- 3. Joan TALBOT
- 4. Thomas TALBOT (d. before his father, Bourdeaux)
- Married 2: Margaret BEAUCHAMP (b. 1404 - d. 14 Jun 1467) (dau. of Richard Beauchamp 13º E. Warwick and Elizabeth Berkeley) 6 Sep 1425
- 5. John TALBOT (1° B. Lisle)
- 6. Humphrey TALBOT (Sir Knight)
- 7. Lewis TALBOT of Penyard (Sir Knight)
- 8. Joan TALBOT
- 9. Elizabeth TALBOT
- 10. Eleanor TALBOT
- From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/TALBOT.htm#John TALBOT (1º E. Shrewsbury)
- BURGH, Hugh (d.1430), of Wattlesborough, Salop and Dinas Mawddwy, Merion.
- s. of Hugh Burgh. m. (1) by 1413, Elizabeth (c.1389-bef. Oct. 1429), da. of John Mawddwy (alias de la Pole) of Dinas Mawddwy, by Elizabeth, da. and h. of Sir Fulk Corbet of Wattlesborough and h. of her bro. Fulk Mawddwy, 1s. John†; (2) c.1429, Agnes.1
- Offices Held
- Treasurer, Ire. 23 Feb. 1414-Feb. 1420.2
- Commr. of inquiry, Ire. Jan., Aug. 1415,3 Salop May 1422 (concealments), Flints. July 1428 (claims to Mold castle); weirs, Salop Nov. 1424, Dec. 1427, to raise royal loans July 1426, May 1428.
- J.p. Salop 10 Feb. 1416-Mar. 1419, Dec. 1420-d.
- Sheriff, Salop 10 Feb. 1430-d.
- Burgh apparently came from a Westmorland family, and his earliest connexions with Shropshire were as a retainer of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, the brother of the earl of Westmorland, and his wife Ankaret, Lady Strange of Blackmere and widow of Richard, Lord Talbot. Burgh served as Neville’s feoffee in the lordship of Worksop, Nottinghamshire, but before Neville’s death in 1407 he entered the service of Lady Ankaret’s younger son, Sir John Talbot (who had married Neville’s elder daughter and coheir by his former wife and was subsequently to succeed him as Lord Furnival). In 1405 Burgh was Talbot’s second-in-command of the garrison of Montgomery, and he was still lieutenant in June 1407 when he collected 100 marks at the Exchequer for the soldiers’ wages. It seems likely that he continued in Talbot’s company throughout the pacification of Wales. In 1408 Lady Ankaret named him as a feoffee of the lordship of Corfham for the settlement of the estate on Talbot, and three years later he performed a similar service as an attorney for the transfer of certain lands in Yorkshire to his superior’s wife. Burgh was involved in other transactions relating to the Talbot and Strange estates and he evidently occupied a position of trust in the Talbot family’s affairs. There is no record of him receiving an annuity from his lord, but in 1414 he was granted by him two thirds of the manor of Alberbury, Shropshire, no doubt in lieu.4
- It was probably to his attachment to Talbot that the landless Hugh Burgh owed his connexion by marriage with one of the oldest families of Shropshire, that of Corbet of Moreton Corbet. The marriage had taken place by 1413 and in June 1414, on the death without issue of her brother, Fulk Mawddwy, Burgh’s wife came into a substantial inheritance. Through her mother she inherited all the Corbet estates which had not been entailed on the male line, including the Shropshire manors of Wattlesborough, Yockleton, Shelve and Wentnor, five other manors, two hamlets and a quarter of the forest of Caus; and through her father, who was descended from the princes of Powys Wenwynwyn, she inherited not only the Welsh lordship of Mawddwy but also the manor of Treffgarne and other lands in Pembrokeshire and Cardiganshire. A third part of the combined Corbet and Mawddwy estates remained in the possession of Fulk Mawddwy’s widow, and did not fall to Burgh until her death in 1429 (less than a year before his own demise), but it was Burgh who as ‘lord of Mawddwy’ confirmed his father-in-law’s charter to the local burgesses. Burgh’s wife’s inheritance had been valued in 1403 at almost £57 a year, even though the Welsh lands had been devastated by the rebels under Owen Glendower (a cousin, but no friend, of her father’s). By the time of Burgh’s own death, nearly 30 years after the start of the rebellion, there had been little improvement, owing to pestilence and robberies, although the extent of the later economic disruption on the estates may well have been exaggerated.5
- Shortly before she came into her inheritance, Burgh’s wife had given birth to a son, who was baptized at Wattlesborough on 12 June 1414 and named in honour of his principal godfather, John Talbot, Lord Furnival. In the preceding February Talbot had been appointed as Henry V’s lieutenant in Ireland, and had immediately nominated Burgh as treasurer and Lawrence Merbury (now appearing as the other godfather of Burgh’s son) as chancellor of the province. Burgh was sworn into office at Dublin on 18 Sept., and he acted as Talbot’s deputy in Ireland until November, when he returned to England to escort the lieutenant across the Irish Sea. Burgh conducted an inquiry into the state of Irish finances in January 1415 and remained in the province for most of that year, a period entailing military as well as administrative duties. As treasurer he enjoyed a fee of 3s.4d. per diem and was well placed to secure grants of the farm of lands in Ireland. He returned home at the end of 1415 in time to be elected to the Parliament which met in November, and he probably then remained in England until after his second spell as a Member of the Commons. Burgh apparently took no part in the conquest of Normandy, but instead acted, from early 1420, as attorney in England for Sir William Talbot and John, Lord Clifford, during their absence with Henry V’s army. By then he had relinquished his post in Ireland, for Lord Talbot had been succeeded as lieutenant by James, earl of Ormond.6
- Burgh welcomed Lord Talbot as a visitor to Wattlesborough in April 1421, at about the time of his third election to Parliament. Although he had long served Talbot in Wales and Ireland he did not now accompany him to France, and, indeed, save for journeys to Westminster for two more Parliaments, he appears to have spent his remaining years in Shropshire. He attended the shire elections held at Shrewsbury in November 1421, 1423 and 1426, and acted as a feoffee of property in the county on behalf of William Burley of Broncroft (his fellow MP of 1421, 1422 and 1425), a lawyer who also had close connexions with Lord Talbot. Burgh’s own association with this nobleman gave him a prominence in local affairs beyond that to be expected of a mere ‘esquire’: some time before 1429, in a petition presented to the duke of Gloucester touching Burgh’s recovery, by a supposedly corrupt assize of novel disseisin, of certain tenements in Shrewsbury, it was stated that he was ‘officer to Lord Talbot and other great lords’, and thus had at his command an influence derived from these connexions and bolstered by his position as a j.p., which rendered futile any local inquiry or process. Burgh is known to have visited Talbot’s seat at Blackmere at Christmas 1424 and again in 1428, there carrying out duties as a member of the lord’s council. In 1429, after Talbot had been taken prisoner at the battle of Patay, Burgh was named by him as one of those who should handle contributions for his ransom.7
- Burgh was appointed sheriff of Shropshire in February 1430, and in that same month, in association with William Burley and others, he took out a lease at the Exchequer of the manor of Monk Meole in Shrewsbury and other properties of which he was already acting as a trustee. He died on 18 Aug. before the end of his shrievalty. Burgh’s widow (his second wife) received dower in lands he had leased in Cardiganshire, while his first wife’s estates passed to his son (Talbot’s godson) John, then aged 16.8
- From: http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/burgh-hugh-1430
- .... etc.
- Gilbert Talbot (1276–1346), Lord Chamberlain of the Household to King Edward III, was summoned to Parliament as Lord Talbot in 1331, which is accepted as evidence of his baronial status at that date.
- He was descended from Richard Talbot, a tenant in 1086 of Walter Giffard at Woburn and Battledsen in Bedfordshire. The Talbot family were vassals of the Giffards in Normandy. Hugh Talbot, probably his son, made a grant to Beaubec Abbey, confirmed by his son Richard Talbot in 1153. This Richard (d. 1175) is listed in 1166 as holding three fees of the Honour of Giffard in Buckinghamshire. He also held a fee at Linton in Herefordshire, for which his son Gilbert Talbot (d. 1231) obtained a fresh charter in 1190. Gilbert's grandson Gilbert (d. 1274) married Gwenlynn Mechyll, daughter and sole heiress of the Welsh Prince Rhys Mechyll, whose armorials the Talbots thenceforth assumed in lieu of their own former arms. Their son Sir Richard Talbot, who signed the Barons' Letter, 1301, held the manor of Eccleswall in Herefordshire in right of his wife Sarah, sister of William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick. In 1331 Richard's son Gilbert Talbot (1276–1346) was summoned to Parliament, which is considered evidence of his baronial status.
- The first baron's grandson, the 3rd Baron Talbot, died in Spain supporting John of Gaunt's claim to the throne of Castile. Richard, the fourth Baron, married Ankaret, 7th Baroness Strange of Blackmere, daughter and heiress of John le Strange, 4th Baron Strange of Blackmere. In 1387, during his father's lifetime, Richard 4th Baron was summoned to Parliament as Ricardo Talbot de Blackmere in right of his wife. His son [Gilbert], the fifth Baron, also succeeded his mother as eighth Baron Strange of Blackmere.
- On the early death of the 5th Baron, the titles passed to his daughter, Ankaret, the sixth and ninth holder of the titles. However, she died a minor and was succeeded by her uncle, John seventh Baron Talbot. John married Maud Nevill, 6th Baroness Furnivall, and, in 1409, he was summoned to Parliament in right of his wife as Johann Talbot de Furnyvall. In 1442 John was created Earl of Shrewsbury in the Peerage of England and in 1446 Earl of Waterford in the Peerage of Ireland. .... etc.
- From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Talbot
- Shrewsbury, Earl of (E, 1442)
- John [Talbot], jure uxoris 6th and 5th Baron Furnival later 7th Baron Talbot and 10th Baron Strange of Blackmere later 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, KG
- 2nd son of Richard [Talbot], 4th Baron Talbot, by his wife Ankaret Lestrange, suo jure Baroness Lestrange of Blackmere, dau. of John [Lestrange], 4th Baron Strange of Blackmere
- born c. 1384
- mar. (1) bef. 12 Mar 1406/7 Maud de Nevill, suo jure Baroness Furnivall (b. c. 1392; d. bef. 1425; bur. at Worksop Priory, co. Nottingham), only child of Thomas [de Nevill], jure uxoris 5th and 4th Baron Furnivall, by his first wife Joan de Furnival, suo jure Baroness Furnivall, only child of William [de Furnivall], 4th and 3rd Baron Furnivall
- children by first wife
- 1. Sir John Talbot, later 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury
- 2. Sir Christopher Talbot, of Treeton (d. 10 Jul 1460 at the Battle of Northampton)
- 1. Lady Joan Talbot, mar. (1) 25 Jul 1457 as his fourth wife James [de Berkeley], 1st Baron Berkeley, and (2) bef. 26 May 1474 Edmund Hungerford
- mar. (2) 6 Sep 1425 Lady Margaret de Beauchamp (b. 1404; d. 14 Jun 1467; bur. in the Jesus Chapel, St Paul's Cathedral, London), 1st dau. and cohrss. of Richard [de Beauchamp], 13th Earl of Warwick, by his first wife Elizabeth de Berkeley, suo jure Baroness Berkeley, Baroness Lisle of Kingston and Baroness Teyes, only child of Thomas [de Berkeley], 5th Baron Berkeley, by his wife Margaret de Lisle, suo jure Baroness Lisle of Kingston and Baroness Teyes, only child of William [de Lisle], 2nd Baron de Lisle and Baron Teyes
- children by second wife
- 3. John Talbot, later 1st Viscount Lisle
- 4. Sir Humphrey Talbot, Marshal of Calais (d. 1492)
- 5. Sir Lewis Talbot, of Penyard, co. Hereford
- 2. Lady Elizabeth Talbot (d. bef. 10 May 1507), mar. bef. 27 Nov 1448 John [de Mowbray], 5th Duke of Norfolk, and had issue
- 3. Lady Eleanor Talbot, allegedly precontracted to marry King Edward IV - on account of this the King's marriage to Lady Elizabeth Wydville was declared invalid on 25 Jun 1483 by the Act of Parliament known as "Titulus Regius" and at the same time their children were declared illegitimate and unfit to inherit the Crown - the marriage was ultimately recognised as valid in October 1485 by the first Parliament of King Henry VII and its issue were restored in blood accordingly - Lady Eleanor had an illegitimate son by King Edward, Edward de Wigmore, who died in infancy in 1468 (d. 30 Jun 1468), mar. Sir Thomas Boteler (dvp. and sp. betw. 1450 and 1468), only son and heir ap. of Ralph [Boteler], 7th and 1st Baron Sudeley, by his first wife Elizabeth Hende, widow of John Hende
- died 17 Jul 1453 (bur. at St Alkmund's, Whitchurch, co. Shropshire)
- 20 May 1442 Earl of Shrewsbury
- 17 Jul 1446 Earl of Waterford and Hereditary Steward of Ireland
- suc. by son by first wife
- note King's Esquire bef. 1407; sum. to Parliament jure uxoris as Baron Furnivall from 26 Oct 1409 to 26 Feb 1420/21; knighted bef. 1413; Commissioner to arrest and imprison Lollards 1413/4; Commissioner to enforce the Statute of Leicester against the Lollards 1414; King's Lieutenant in Ireland 1414-20 and 1444/5-52; Knight of the Garter 1424; Justiciar of Ireland 1425; Captain of Coutances and Pont de l'Ache 1427/8; Captain of Falaise 1428; took part in the siege of Orleans 1428-29; suc. his niece 13 Dec 1431 as 10th Baron Strange of Blackmere and 7th Baron Talbot; cr. Count of Clermont Jun 1434; involved in the French campaign 1435-42; Keeper of the Castle and Town of Porchester and Governor of Portsmouth 1451/2-53; returned to the French Campaign 1451/2 and slain at the siege of Castillon with his son John, Lord Lisle
- John [Talbot], 7th and 6th Baron Furnival later 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, KG
- born c. 1413
- mar. bef. Mar 1444/5 his third cousin Lady Elizabeth Butler (d. 8 Sep 1473; bur. in Shrewsbury Abbey), only dau. of James [Butler], 4th Earl of Ormonde, by his first wife Joan de Beauchamp, only dau. of William [de Beauchamp], 1st Baron Bergavenny
- 1. Sir John Talbot, later 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury
- 2. Sir James Talbot (d. 2 Sep 1471)
- 3. Ven Christopher Talbot, Rector of Whitchurch, co. Shropshire, Archdeacon of Chester (d. aft. 1474)
- 4. George Talbot
- 5. Sir Gilbert Talbot KG, of Grafton, co. Worcester, fought on the Lancastrian side at the Battle of Bosworth 1485, Commander at the Battle of Stoke 1487, Deputy Captain of Calais (d. 19 Sep 1518), mar. (1) after 1475 Elizabeth le Scrope (widow of Thomas [le Scrope], 5th Baron Scrope of Masham), 5th dau. by his first wife of Ralph [de Greystock], 5th Baron Greystock, and had issue:
- 1a. .... etc.
- Sir Gilbert Talbot KG mar. (2) Etheldreda Gardiner (widow of (1) Thomas Barton and (2) Richard Gardiner, Lord Mayor of London), dau. of William Landwade, of Landwade, co. Cambridge, and had further issue:
- 3a. .... etc.
- 5. Sir Humphrey Talbot
- 1. Lady Anne Talbot, mar. Sir Henry Vernon, of Haddon. co. Derby, Governor and Treasurer to Arthur, Prince of Wales (d. 1511), and had issue
- 2. Lady Margaret Talbot, mar. Thomas Chaworth (dsp. c. 1483)
- died 10 Jul 1460 (bur. in Worksop Priory, co. Nottingham)
- suc. by son
- note Knight of the Bath 1426; suc. his mother c.1433 as 7th Baron Furnivall; served in France 1434 and 1442; Chancellor of Ireland 1446; Lord High Treasurer of England 1456-58; Knight of the Garter 1457; Joint Keeper of the King's Mews and Falcons 1457; Chief Butler of England 1458; Chief Justice of Chester 1458/9; Steward of Wakefield 1459; Steward of Ludlow 1460; killed at the Battle of Northampton fighting for the Lancastrian side
- From: http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/shrewsbury1442.htm?zoom_highlight=talbot
- (1) Visitation (Yorkshire,1563-4, Talbot I) contains an illustrious pedigree for the early generations of this family, indicating that a John Talbot came into England from Normandy with the Conqueror and married the daughter of a Rychard, Lord Talbot, descended from a John, Lord Talbot of Eclesfeld, etc.. However, that pedigree appears to be largely spurious. Similarly, Visitation (Worcestershire, 1569, Talbot) provides a pedigree going back 8 generations before the 1st Earl much of which appears spurious. Collins reports that this family is 'said to be in England before the Norman Conquest' but starts with the following Richard. TCP is cautious about the origins of this family, pointing out that Talbot was a common Norman nickname. [A talbot was a long-eared dog used for tracking and hunting. Any reference to someone as 'de Talbot' should probably be read as 'le Talbot'.] BE1883 starts with the following Richard but, apart from mentioning that his son Geoffrey was ancestor of the Talbots of Bashall (which TCP appears to disagree with), then follows the descent of his son Hugh
- (2) On Temp44 we show the interesting additional connections shown by a large online database which we wish to investigate further but which we think important enough to draw attention to.
- Richard Talbot (a 1085)
- m. ?? de Gournay (dau of Gerard, Sire de Gournay, Lord of Yarmouth)
- 1. Geoffrey Talbot (d c1129/30)
- His family is as reported in a note to TCP (Munchensy of Norfolk).
- m. Agnes de Lacy (dau of Walter de Laci)
- A. Geoffrey Talbot (d 1140)
- B. Sybil Talbot
- m. Payn FitzJohn of Ewyas, Sheriff of Hereford and Salop
- 2. Hugh Talbot (a 1118)
- m. (div) Beatrix de Mandeville (d 19.04.1197, dau of William de Mandeville)
- A. Richard Talbot (d before 25.12.1175) first in the pedigree given by TCP (Talbot)
- m. _ Bulmer (dau of Stephen Bulmer of Appletreewick)
- i. Gilbert Talbot (d before 13.02.1230/1)
- a. Richard Talbot (d before 13.04.1234)
- m. (before 1124) Aline or Aliva Basset (dau of Alan Basset, Baron of Wycombe, widow of Drew de Montacute)
- (1) Gilbert Talbot (d 1274)
- m. Gwendaline (dau of Rhys ap Griffith ap Rhys ap ap Griffith ap Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr, King of South Wales)
- (A) Richard Talbot, lord of Eccleswall, Sheriff of Gloucester (d 1306)
- m. Sarah de Beauchamp (dau of William de Beauchamp of Elmley, 1st Earl of Warwick)
- (i) Sir Gilbert Talbot, 1st Baron, Lord Chamberlain (d 1346)
- m. Anne Boteler (dau of William Boteler of Wemme)
- (a) Sir Richard Talbot, 2nd Baron (d 1356)
- m. (before 1325) Elizabeth Comyn (b 1299, a 1326, dau of Sir John Comyn, Lord of Badenoch)
- ((1)) Gilbert Talbot, 3rd Baron (d 24.04.1387)
- m1. Petronilla Butler (d 1387, dau of James Butler, 1st Earl of Ormonde)
- ((A)) Sir Richard Talbot, 4th Baron (d 07.09.1396)
- m. Ankaret le Strange (dau of John Strange, 4th Lord of Blackmere)
- ((i)) Gilbert Talbot, 5th Baron, Lord Strange of Blackmere (b 1383, d 19.10.1418-9)
- m1. (before 20.05.1392) Joan Plantagenet (b 1384, d 16.08.1400, dau of Thomas Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester)
- m2. (c1415) Beatrix of Portugal (m2. Thomas Fettiplace of East Shefford) see here
- ((a)) .... etc.
- ((ii)) Sir John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewbury (b 1390, d 20.07.1453)
- m1. (12.03.1406) Maud, Baroness Furnivall (d before 1433, dau of Thomas Nevill, Lord Furnival)
- m2. Margaret Beauchamp (dau of Richard de Beauchamp, 5th Earl of Warwick)
- ((iii)) Richard Talbot, Archbishop of Dublin, Lord Deputy of Ireland
- ((iv)) Thomas Talbot of Wrockwardine
- ((v)) Anne Talbot
- m. Hugh Courtenay, 4th Earl of Devon (b 1389, d 16.06.1422)
- ((vi)) Mary Talbot probably of this generation
- m. Sir Thomas Greene of Green's Norton (d 1417)
- ((B)) .... etc.
- i. Gilbert Talbot (d before 13.02.1230/1)
- Main source(s): BP1934 (Shrewsbury), BE1883 (Talbot - various), Visitation (Surtees Society 1869, Yorkshire, Dugdale 1664-6, Talbot of Thorneton) with support from TCP (Talbot), Collins (1741, Talbot Earl of Shrewsbury).
- From: Stirnet.com
- Sir John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewbury (b 1390, d Chastillon 20.07.1453)
- m1. (12.03.1406) Maud Nevill, Baroness Furnivall (b c1391, d before 1433, dau of Thomas Nevill, Lord Furnival)
- 1. John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord Chancellor of Ireland (b 1413, d Northampton 10.07.1460, 2nd son)
- m1. (before 08.06.1421, sp) Catherine Burnel (dau of Sir Edward Burnel) this marriage may not have taken place
- m2. Elizabeth Butler (d 08.09.1473, dau of James Butler, 4th Earl of Ormonde, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland)
- A. .... etc.
- 2.+ other sisue - Thomas (dvpsp), Sir Christopher (d Northampton 10.07.1460)
- m2. Margaret Beauchamp (d 14.06.1468, dau of Richard de Beauchamp, 5th Earl of Warwick)
- 4. John Talbot, 1st Viscount L'Isle (b c1426, d Chastillon 17.07.1453)
- The following comes from BE1883 (Talbot of L'Isle) & TCP (vol VIII, 'Lisle').
- m. Joan Chedder (d 15.07.1464, dau/coheir of Sir Thomas Chedder of Chedder (by Isabel, dau/coheir of Robert Scobhull), widow of Richard Stafford)
- A. .... etc.
- 4. Sir Humphrey Talbot (dsp 1492, Marshal of Calais)
- m. Mary Champernoun (dau/heir of John Champernoun)
- 5. Sir Lewis Talbot of Penyard
- 6. Joan Talbot
- m1. (c25.07.1457, sp) Sir James de Berkeley, 1st Lord (b c1394, d 11.1463)
- m2. Edmund Hungerford mentioned by Brydges but not by BP1934
- 7. Elizabeth Talbot (d 1506/7) mentioned by BP1934 but not by Brydges
- m. (by 27.11.1448) James Mowbray, 5th Duke of Norfolk (b 18.10.1444, d 17.01.1475-6)
- 8. Eleanor Talbot (b c1436, d 30.06.1468) not mentioned by either BP1934 or Brydges (!) but reputedly of this generation, of this marriage
- m1. (1449) Sir Thomas Butler or Boteler (son of Ralph, Lord Sudeley)
- m2/p. Edward Plantagenet, King Edward IV of England (b 28.04.1441, d 09.04.1483)
- Probably of this generation but, if so, unsure of which marriage was ...
- 9. Catharine Talbot
- m. Sir Nicholas Eyton of Eyton, Sheriff of Salop (a 1455)
- Main source(s): BP1934 (Shrewsbury) with some support from Collins (Brydges, vol 3 (1812), 'Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury', p11+) with some support/contradiction from Visitation (Worcestershire, 1569, Talbot) and input/support as reported above
- From: Stirnet.com
This surname TALBOT was the name of an English family, descended from Richard de Talbot, named in the Domesday Book, and from Gilbert (died 1346) the first baron. The Earl of Shrewsbury and Talbot is the premier earl on the Rolls of England and Ireland, and hereditary lord steward of Ireland. The Lords Talbot de Malahide represent a family in Ireland which settled there in 1167. Surnames as we know them today were first assumed in Europe from the 11th to the 15th Century. They were not in use in England or in Scotland before the Norman Conquest, and were first found in the Domesday Book. The employment in the use of a second name was a custom that was first introduced from the Normans. They themselves had not long before adopted them. It became, in course of time, a mark of gentler blood, and it was deemed a disgrace for gentlemen to have but one single name, as the meaner sort had. It was not until the reign of Edward II (1307-1327) it became general practice amongst all people. It was a baptismal name 'the son of Talbut or Talbott'. The name was brought into England in the wake of the Norman Conquest of 1066. Early records of the name mention Richard Talebot, listed as a tenant in the Domesday Book of 1086. Ricardus Talebot was documented during the reign of Henry II (1154-1180). Talebot de Hadfield, ibid. Willelmus Talbot of Yorkshire was listed in the Yorkshire Poll Tax of 1379. John Hedlea married Susanna Talbott at Westminster, London in the year of 1580. The name also applied to one with a Normandy accent, a bandit, one who blacked their faces (a lampblack) to avoid recognition. At first the coat of arms was a practical matter which served a function on the battlefield and in tournaments. With his helmet covering his face, and armour encasing the knight from head to foot, the only means of identification for his followers, was the insignia painted on his shield and embroidered on his surcoat, the flowing and draped garment worn over the armour. The associated arms are recorded in Sir Bernard Burkes General Armory. Ulster King of Arms in 1884
John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury's Timeline
Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
December 12, 1413
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