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John Toliver

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Province of North Carolina
Death: Died in Alleghany County, North Carolina, United States
Immediate Family:

Husband of Tabitha Toliver
Father of William Toliver; Nancy B. Brewer (Toliver); John R. Toliver; Mary L. Chance (Toliver); James Tolliver and 6 others

Occupation: Revolutionary War Soldier
Managed by: Ben M. Angel
Last Updated:

About John Toliver

http://www.ingenweb.org/in orange/familyfiles/toliver_family.htm


The following information is taken from the above website that was compiled by Robert E. Lane and dated October 2011. There is much more about the Tolliver family that moved and lived in Indiana.

DNA from descendants of John Toliver did not match the others and may be Mediterranean/Spanish in origin. Because the more traditional genealogical evidence (censuses, land records, etc.) indicates there was a connection between John Toliver and the other brothers, it is possible that he was their cousin on the maternal side or that there could be a "break" in the male line somewhere between John Toliver and the descendant whose DNA was tested, such as an adoption, step-child, or out-of-wedlock birth. Revolutionary War pension application affidavits state that John, Moses, and Jesse were brothers. The DNA obtained from the Toliver descendants does NOT match the DNA obtained from Robert Taliaferro's known descendants. This shows that the Tolivers of North Carolina are NOT descendants of Robert Taliaferro, at least not in the direct male line.

John Toliver was born about 1760 in North Carolina. He appeared in the census in 1790 in Wilkes County, NC. He appeared in the census in 1850 in Wilkes County, NC. It lists John (86) living with his son Charles. John appeared in the census in 1860 in Alleghany County, NC. It lists John (100) living with his son Charles.

 John and Jesse were born on the Rappahanock River in Prince William County, VA, although by the time John was born, the area had become Fauquier County.  Shortly afterward, the family moved to the James River area about 30 miles from Richmond. Information in John's and Jesse's military pension files indicate that they and their brother Moses came to NC with their father before the Revolutionary War began. Further, about five or six years before the Revolutionary War began (about 1770), the family moved to Surry (later Wilkes) County, NC, east of the Blue Ridge Mountains.  The father was still living and was involved in this move, but he is not named in any of Jesse's or John's pension records.
 Land records show Tollivers buying extensively along the Roaring River, Mulberry Creek, and the Yadkin River between 1778 and 1781.  Following the Battle of King's Mountain in 1780, the Toliver brothers, their mother (who is not named) and other family members moved west of the Blue Ridge to the part of Wilkes that later became Ashe and still later Alleghany County.

In a letter written in 1930 by E. W. Morgan, representing the National Archives, to Mrs. Fred Cretney in Leadville, CO, he stated "You are advised that it appears from the Revolutionary War records of this bureau that John Toliver, while residing in Wilkes County, North Carolina, enlisted in the latter part of the war and served fourteen days 'and upwards', as a private in Captain Martin Gambill's company in Colonel Benjamin Cleveland's North Carolina regiment. He was allowed bounty land in full satisfaction for the service rendered, on his application executed June 17, 1856, at which time he was living in Ashe County, North Carolina and was aged ninety- four or ninety-six years. In 1856, Charles H. Toliver and Jesse Toliver testified in the case. They were both at that time residing in Ashe County, North Carolina. No relationship to soldier stated." This was Bounty Land Warrant 67685 for 160 acres. Most warrants given to NC men were in TN. Charles H. Toliver was John's son. Jesse Toliver was the son of John's sister, Susanna and Allen Tolliver. He was married to John's granddaughter, Louisa, William's daughter.

In the DAR Patriot Lookup, John Toliver is listed as John Taliaferro b. 1760. He was a Private. He died in 1863 in NC. No one received a pension. His spouse was Tabitha Howell. The SAR list him as John Toliver, Private. National Archives W5012 - In a deposition for the widow of Samuel Johnson on Sept. 20, 1856 in Ashe Co., NC, John Toliver, swore before Justice of the Peace, James Gambill, that he had lived in the county of Wilkes in NC at the time of the War of the Revolution; that Samuel Johnson had been a Captain in the war and that he had known Samuel's father, Jeffrey. He also knew Mary Hammons and believed Samuel and Mary were married after the Battle of King's Mountain, SC (Oct. 7, 1780) and before he moved with his mother to the west side of the Blue Ridge, now Ashe County. He also stated that "his two older brothers Jesse Toliver and Moses" lived on the west side of the Blue Ridge and that they had served in the War.

In a letter written July 10, 1848 to James and Elizabeth Maxwell Toliver, Joseph Maxwell (Lucy's son) stated that "Old Uncle John Toliver had lost his sight but was in good health for a man of his age."

On August 29, 1845 John testified to the State of North Carolina that he had witnessed the marriage of Jesse Toliver and Franky Stamper in 1782 and that they had lived together as man and wife about fifty-six years until his death February 7, 1838.

 He died about 1863 in Alleghany County, NC. He and wife Tabitha were buried in a family cemetery near Sparta, NC, that was used in the 1700's and 1800's, but was eventually abandoned.  It was later rediscovered in the middle of a cow pasture. As of 2008, it has been fenced in and new stones places on the graves.  A sign calls it the Old Toliver Cemetery.  Pictures are on the Toliver Family MyFamily web site.
 John Toliver and Tabitha Howell were married about 1783. Tabitha Howell was born about 1765. She died on May 24, 1865 at the age of 100 in North Carolina.  John

 Toliver and Tabitha Howell had the following child: Charles H. Toliver, born about 1800.
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John Toliver's Timeline

1760
1760
Province of North Carolina
1785
February 9, 1785
Age 25
1785
Age 25
Wilkes County, North Carolina, United States
1789
1789
Age 29
1792
1792
Age 32
Wilkes County, North Carolina, United States
1795
January 3, 1795
Age 35
Wilkes County, North Carolina, United States
1798
1798
Age 38
1800
June 11, 1800
Age 40
Ashe County, North Carolina, United States
1802
1802
Age 42
1803
1803
Age 43
Ashe County, North Carolina, United States