John de Lisle (de L'Isle), 2nd Baron
|Also Known As:||"de/ lisle/"|
|Death:||Died in England|
Son of Sir Robert de Lisle of Biggleswade and Margaret Elizabeth de Beauchamp, Lady of Alcester
|Occupation:||2nd Lord Lisle de Rougemont|
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John de Lisle 2nd Baron
(before March 1318 - 14 October 1355)
John de Lisle 2nd Baron|b. b Mar 1318\nd. 14 Oct 1355|p253.htm#i18000|Robert de Lisle|b. 20 Jan 1289/90\nd. 4 Jan 1343/44|p253.htm#i17997|Margaret de Beauchamp|b. b 1300\nd. 1339|p63.htm#i17998|Warin de Lisle|b. s 1260\nd. b 7 Dec 1296|p254.htm#i18007|Alice d. Montfort|d. 1339|p534.htm#i18349|Walter de Beauchamp Lord of Powke|b. c 1243\nd. 1303|p63.htm#i18339|Alice de Toni||p789.htm#i30843|
John de Lisle 2nd Baron bore arms: or, a fess between 2 chevronels sable. Arms in window of Harewood Church. See "Dictionary of Heraldry" p.129 for others using the same arms. Crest: A silver millstone picked sable, the millrind gold. He was born before March 1318 at Bedfordshire. He was aged 24 in 16 Edw III, but that would mean he was only 12 when he had his marriage dispensation. He was the son of Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp.
John de Lisle 2nd Baron married Maud or Matilda Grey, daughter of Sir Henry de Grey, before 16 December 1332. He married before 16 Dec 1332 when they had dispensation to remain in the marriage they had contracted while ignorant that they were within the 4th degree, Maud daughter of Sir Henry de Grey. He was granted property from Robert de Lisle in 1337 at Harewood. (10 Edw III) He was granted Harewood by his father to better serve the King: "his father Robert being disposed to give him 400 marks p.a. of land, to serve the King with 6 men-at-arms in his wars; the King to gratify the said Robert, and the better to support his son, granted that the said Robert and his heirs: and some years after, his brother Robert released to him and his heirs all his right in the said manor, and in the advowdson of the church there. Being thus provided for, he attended the King in his first voyage to France, by way of Flanders 1340, and was in the Battle fought near Vironfosse. Two years after he went into Aquitaine in the King's service; and in the year ensuing he attended the King in Bretagne, while the King foraged the country and laid siege to Dinant. "For his good services done the King, he granted him a pension of 200 pounds p.a. for his life, to support his dignity of Bannaret, of which sum 120 pounds was assigned from the Priory of St Neots at Stoke, next Clare, and 80 pounds out of that of Eye, these were afterwards changed for other benefits". [M2.]
John, Robert and John was party to a deed dated 1340 at the manor, Kirkby Overblow. At Westminster, Quindene of Michaelmas, 14 Edward III (1340). Thomas de Insula, quer., Robert de Insula, def., of the manor of Kireby Orblower, except the advowson of the church thereof: To hold (subject to the life estate of William de Risshton) to Thomas and the heirs male of his body, paying yearly to Robert and his heirs one rose at the Nativity of St John the Baptist for all service to them, and doing all other services to the chief lords; remainder to Robert son the said Robert de Insula for life: remainders in succession to Robert and John, sons of the said John, and the heirs male of their bodies; reversion to Robert de Insula and his heirs. William [de Risshton] was present and consenting, and did fealty. John de Lisle 2nd Baron was the heir of Robert de Lisle at the Inquisition Post Mortem held on 23 March 1341/42. Robert del Isle. Writ to the escheator of co. Cambs, etc. to inquire what lands etc. the said Robert held on the day when he was professed in an order of religion etc 23 March 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Cottenham, 23 April - He held no lands. etc in the county on the day he was professed.
John his son aged 24 & more, is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator whi is also to inquire whether the said Robert alienated any lands etc to anyone 3 May 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Holytone 15 May. Manors of Ramptone, Cotenham & Westwyk & advowdson of church of Wynepol, but alienated them to Alice, daughter of Robert de Insula, Elizabeth Peverell, Richard de Baiocis, Wm de Ruston, Edmunde de Benhale & Henry Ewenny, to hold to them, during their lives, of the said Robert & his heirs, doing the serviced thereto pertaining to the chief lords of that fee, with remainder to John, his son, as appears in a fine levied inthe king's court. The said manor of Rampton is held of John Burdeleys, as of the manor of Maddyngle, by knight's service. The manor of Cotenham is held of the bishop of Ely, by knight's service. The manor of Westwyck and the advowson fo the church of Wynepol, with a certain manor in the town of Great Wilburgham, which the said Robert, before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated to the said John, his son and heir, are held of the earl of Brittany, by service of a sore sparrow-hawk, or half a mark yearly. The said Robert, who held the manor of Coveneye, alienated it long before he assumed the habit of religion, to the aforesaid Alice, etc. to hold to them, for their lives, of the said Robert and his hiers, with remainder to John his son, as appears by fine levied in the king's court. The said manor of Coveneye is held of the prior and convent of Ely, as in socage and by service of 5s yearly. He held no lands etc. in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion.
Similar writ to the escheator in co. Oxford, etc. 3 May.
Oxford: Inq. taken at Oxford, 18 May. Hayford Warin. The said Robert, long before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated the manor oto the said Alice etc for their lives, by fine levied in the king's court, at Westminster, 3 weeks from the day of St Michael, 13 Edw III; and it is held of the earl of Cornwall by service of a fifth part of a knight's fee. He held no lands etc. in the bailiwick on the day he was professed. John his son, aged 24 years is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator in co. Essex etc. 3 May.
Essex. Inq. taken at Herllawe 17 May. He held no lands etc. in fee in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion or before.
Hertford. Inq. taken at Ware, 15 May 16 Edw III:
Pysshobury. He held the manor, but long before he assumed the habit of religion he alienated the same to Alice & Elizabeth, daughters of Robert de Isle, Richard de Bayeuse, William de Russhton, Edmund de Benhale and Henry Ewenay, to hold to them for their lives, of the chief lords of that fee, by the accustomed services, with remainder to John his son, to hold for life as above, with further successive remainders to Robert, son of the said John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above, and to John brother of the said Robert, son of John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above. The manor is held of Geoffrey de Say, Knight, by service of three knights' fees and three-quarters.
He held no lands etc. in the country of the day he assumd the habit of religion.
John his son, aged 23 years and more, is his next heir..
He was a commander at the siege of Nantes about 1343. In 1345 took part in the expedition to Gascony.
A soldier like his father, he distinguished himself at the Battle of Cressy and was created a Knight of the Garter at the institution of that Order.
In 1346 he was awarded a pension of 200li to enable him to maintain his rank of Banneret. See Cokayne pp 73-76 for account of career.
The first important land battle between the French and English in the 100 years war, took place at Crécy, in Ponthieu, on August 26, 1346. There, Edward defeated the army that Philippe VI had sent to block his retreat to the northeast. Edward then laid siege to the port of Calais during September, 1346. The city surrendered in October of the same year and he deported most of its French occupants, colonizing the town with Englishmen so he could have a base for further invasions of France. Again, running out of money, he made a new truce in September, 1347.
In 1355, Edward broke the truce by leading large scale, but unsuccessful raids, against the French from Calais. However, he was more successful in Scotland where, in 1356 he received a formal surrender of the Kingdom of Scotland.
From 1350-54 (his elder brother having died s.p.) he was summoned to parliament as Baron de L'Isle of Rougemonte. From 1351 he was described as Lord of Harewood.
In 1350 Sir John de Insula, kt presents to the Church of Harewood Dec 1350; patron of Church Dec 26 1350. 1353 Had advowdson granted to Bolton Priory, they held it until the dissolution of the monasteries 1536/7.
John de Insula of Rubeus Mons to grant land in Harewood to the prior and convent of Bolton, retaining the rest of the manor of Harewood, and land in Kirkby Overblow. York. John de Lisle 2nd Baron in the 1352 (25 Edw III) was made Sheriff of the Counties of Cambridge & Huntingdon, by the King and was granted the custody of the Castle of Cambridge for life in 1352.
On 8 July 1355 he received pardon for the death of John de Goys, kt.
John died on 14 October 1355 at Gascony, France. He died 14 Oct 1355 leaving by Matilda de Ferrars his wife, who survived him, two sons Sir Robert & John (named in a settlement of the manor of Kirkby Overblow made in 1340.
Another sources states 30 Edw III , of wounds caused by an arrow shot, but his inquisition was taken in 29 Edw III, so he must have been dead by then.
John de Lisle 2nd Baron was the subject of an Inquisition Post Mortem held on 28 November 1355. John de Insula de Rougemont (Rubeo Monte). Writ, 28 November, 29 Edward III .
Oxford - Inq. taken at Wodestok, Thursday 11 February 30 Edw III . He held no lands in the county. He died 14 Oct last. Robert his son aged 22 years and more, is his heir.
Writ 28 November 29 Edw III
Bedford. Inq taken at Shefford, Tuesday after the Epiphany, 29 Edw III.
Cambelton. The manor held jointly with Maud his wife, of the king in chief, service not known. He held no other lands etc in the bailiwick. He died on 9 Oct last. Robert de Insula of Rougemont, his son, aged 20 years and more is his heir.
Writ 28 Nov 28 Edw III.
Hertford. Inq. taken at Sabrichewroth, 29 Feb 30 Edw III.
Sabricheworth. The manor of Pisshobury, held for a term of 30 years by demise of Alice, daughter of Robert de Insula, Elizabeth Peverell, Richard de Baious, William de Ruston, Edmond de Benhale and Henry Ewenny, who held the said manor by fine levied in the king's court, by gift of Robert de Insula, father of the deceased, for their lives, at a rent of a rose yearly, with successive remainders to the deceased, Robert son of the deceased, & the heirs of his body, John brother of the said Robert and the heirs of his body, & ultimate reversion to Robert de Insula, the grantor and his heirs. The said manor is held of Sir Geoffrey de Say, as of his manor of Sabricheworth, by knight's service.
He died 14 Oct last. Robert his son, aged 20 years and more, is his heir.
Writ 28 November 29 Edw III
Cambridge. Inq. taken at Cambridge, Friday before St Valentine, 30 Edw III.
Gt Wilburgham. The manor (extent given) held jointly with Maud his wife who survives, and the heirs of their bodies, of the earl of Brittany by service of doing suit every month at the said earl's court of Badburgham, by gift of Robert de Insula, deceased.
Rampton, Cotenham, Westwyk & Coveneye. The manors held at farm for a term of 30 years by demise of Alice, daughter of Robert de Insula, and others etc. as Pisshobury, Herts. The manor of Rampton is held of the heirs of John de Burdeleys, as of his manor of Cotenham, by knight's service; the manor of Cotenham of the bishop of Ely by knight's service; the manor of Westwyk of the earl of Brittany by knight's service and by service a the said earl's tourn twice a year; and the manor of Coveneye of the prior of Ely by knight's service.
Date of death and heir as in preceding.
Writ 28 November, 29 Edw III
York. Inq. taken at Harewod, Saturday in the second week of Lent, 309 Edw III.
Harewod. The manor with its members (extent given) held of the king in chief as of the crown by service of a knight's free and by rendering 18s yearly by the hands of the sheriff to the fines of the wapentake of Skirayk. The said members are Carleton, Neuhale, Stokton, Helthwayt and Donkesewyk, and the extent includes 120 acres sour (morose) land, a small park with deer, a market every Saturday and a fair on St Swithin's day, Kirkeby Orblaweres. He was sometime seised of the manor, but two years and more before his death he gave it to Thomas de Walkefare, knight for life. The said Thomas survives. It is held of Henry de Percy by knight's service and by rendering 8 shillings yearly and doing suit at his court of Spofford every three weeks.
He held no other lands in the county.
Date of death as in the preceding. Robert de Insula, knight, his son, aged 20 years or more is his heir.
1355-6 Cal Inq P.M. #258: 28 Nov 29 Edw III aged 22 and at Lent 30 Edw III aged 20 at his father's inquisition. He was the subject of an Inquisition Post Mortem held on 22 May 1357. Robert, son & heir of John de Insula of Rougemont.
Writ to the escheator to take the proof of age of the said Robert, whose lands etc are in the king's custody. 22 May 31 Edw III.
Cambridge. Proof of age taken at Rampton, Tuesday before Holy Trinity, 31 Edw III.
Richard Roberd, aged 42 says that the said Robert is 21 years of age and more from St John before the Latein Gate last, and that he was born & bapt at Rampton. This he knows because in the year preceding the said heir's birth, Robert, his own brother was killed at Rampton and since then he has gone there yearly to keep his brother's anniversary.
John Gavelok, aged 46, and John Haldeyn aged 41 agree, and say that the birth of the said heir was entered in the missal of the church of Rampton, which book they have very often inspected.
Others confirm this. He was mentioned in a deed dated 1364 at Harewood, Yorkshire. Inquisition whether it would be to the detriment of the King or of others that Robert de l'Isle of Rougemont, kt should enfeoff William de Aldeburgh kt and Elizabeth his wife of 2 parts of the manor of Harewood, which he held in chief: and should concede that the third part of the said manor, which Maud late the wife of John de l'Isle of Rougemont, father of Robert, held in dowry, should remain after Maud's death to Wm & Elizabeth.
Robert de l'Isle paid £70 pre licencia feoffandi the two parts of the manor, 16 June 1634.
Cokayne notes that the remainder was to the heirs of William not Elizabeth.
Robert was paid 1000 pounds for Harewood by his brother-in-law William Aldburgh in 1365. [Fine 38 Edw III].
Robert de Insula of Rougemont, knight, to grant two-thirds of the manor of Harewood, except a messuage and land in Carlton, with the reversion of the other third, now held for life by Maud late the wife of John his father, to William de Aldeburgh, knight, Elizabeth his wife, and his heirs, retaining the said exceptions, with rent. York.
In the 3rd week of Lent 41 Edw III (1367) at Harewood: Wm de Heselarton, Kt and others incl. Johi de Insula, Lord of the Manor of Harewood - 24 years ago he granted 20 shillings yearly rent out of the said manor, which he held of the King in chief, to Margaret late the wife of Thomas de Thwaytes, who survives, for her life, with the King's licence.
Children of John de Lisle 2nd Baron and Maud or Matilda Grey
* Alice de Lisle
* Robert de Lisle 3rd Baron b. 6 May 1336, d. 1399
* John de Lisle b. b 1339
* Elizabeth de Lisle+ b. b 1340, d. c 1378
* William de Lisle 4th Lord Harewood b. s 1340, d. b Jun 1428
John de Lisle, 2nd Baron's Timeline
Kingston Lisle, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England
Harewood House, Weeton, West Riding Yorkshire, England
October 14, 1355