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John de Welles

Also Known As: "5th Baron Welles"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Conisholme, Lincoln, England
Death: Died in Grimsby, North East Lincolnshire, England
Cause of death: John challenged Lindsay to a duel by joust on horseback on London Bridge, where he was killed on the 3rd joust
Immediate Family:

Son of John de Welles, 4th Baron Welles and Maud de Ros, Lady Welles
Husband of Eleanor De Welles and Eleanor Margaret de Mowbray, Baroness Welles
Father of Thomas de Welles; Joan Andrews; Ives Welles, Lord of Gainsby Welles and Eleanor Welles
Brother of Margery de Welles and Anne de Welles, Countess of Ormond

Occupation: English ambassador to Scotland, 5th Baron of Welles, Knight, 5th Lord Welles, Baron De Welles, Knt., Lord Welles of Gainsby
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About John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles

John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles

  • Birth: Apr 20 1352 - Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England
  • Baptized: 20 Apr 1352, Church of St. Peter, Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England
  • Death: 1421 - Welles, Lincolnshire, England
  • Parents: John Welles, Maud de Ros
  • Wife: Allianore de Mowbray

John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352–1421) was an English soldier and noble. He married Margaret (SIC: Allianore) de Mowbray (1364-1399), daughter of John, Lord Mowbray by Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave.[1]

At a banquet in Edinburgh and presumably after too much alcohol he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.”[1] As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23 April 1390[2], he fought David Lindsay in mock combat on horseback on London Bridge, losing the match by being struck from his horse in their third charge against each other.

He was the father of:

  1. Eudo de Welles, d.v.p., who married Maude de Greystoke, daughter of Ralph de Greystoke, 3rd Baron Greystoke and Catherine Clifford, and had: Sir William Welles, Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married to Anne Barnewall, daughter of Sir Christopher Barnewall, and had issue including Elizabeth, Lady Slane; & Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles
  2. Eleanor de Welles, who married Hugh de Poynings, son of Thomas Poynings, 3rd Baron Poynings and Joan ..., and had issue

Sources

  1. Sir Bernard Burke (1866). A Genealogical History of the Dormant: Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire. Harrison. p. 569.

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John De WELLES (AFN: 8J5R-GG) Pedigree

Sex:  M  Family    

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Event(s)

Birth:   20 Apr 1352   
 , Welle, Lincolnshire, England   
Death:   1421      

parents

Father:  John WELLES (AFN: 9G89-41)  Family  
Mother:  Maud De ROS (AFN: 9G89-56)   .

Marriage(s)

Spouse:  Cecily (AFN: HNJ5-BX)  Family   Marriage:  1366     
   
Spouse:  Eleanor De MOWBRAY (AFN: 8J5J-JT)  Family   Marriage:  May 1386  
               

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Cecily DE WELLES. Parents: .

Spouse: Sir Thomas DE STRICKLAND.

Children were: Sir Walter DE STRICKLAND, William STRICKLAND.

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John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352–1421) was an English soldier and noble the English ambassador to Scotland. He married Margaret "Eleanor," daughter of John, Lord Mowbray by Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave.

He was born in Welle, Lincolnshire, England on 20th April 1352. John De Welles died on 26 August 1421.

Joust.. At a banquet in Edinburgh , after arguing over who was the most gallant of their countrymen, he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.”

As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23rd April 1390, in the presence of Richard II of England , he fought David Lindsay in a jousting tournament on London Bridge.

The day for the encounter arrived, and the two knights fully armed in the plate armour of the period were conducted to the Bridge, where a daïs had been erected for Richard II and the members of his Court.

All the suitable positions were occupied by the nobility, and elsewhere the populace crowded every available corner. When all was in readiness the heralds gave the signal and the two horsemen, spurring their heavy horses, charged full at one another.

Spears were broken, but both warriors remained seated firmly in their saddles. "The people beholding how stiffelie earle (sic) David sat without moving, cried that the Scottisman was locked in his saddle. He hearing this, leapt beside his horse, and verie nimblie mounted up againe into the saddle, armed as he was, to the great wonder of the beholders."

With fresh spears a second course was taken and once more the weapons were splintered "and yet without anie great hurt on either part." At the third collision Lord Welles was borne from his saddle and fell heavily to the ground, being "sore hurt."

The onlookers appear to have thought he was killed, but Lindsay was quickly off his horse, and, kneeling by his side, he tenderly held him in his arms until the doctor came to tend his wounds.

John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles, is our 20th Great Grandfather

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John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352 - 1421) was an English soldier and noble. He married Margaret 'Eleanor', daughter of John, Lord Mowbray by Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave. [1]

At a banquet in Edinburgh and presumably after too much alcohol he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.” [1] As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23 April 1390 [2] , he fought David Lindsay in mock combat on horseback on London Bridge, losing the match by falling from his horse in their third charge against each other

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John de WELLES / Eleanor de MOWBRAY

Husband: John de WELLES

Born: 20 Apr 1352 at: Gainsby

Married: at:

Died: 1422 at:

Notes: [1994]

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Wife: Eleanor de MOWBRAY

Born: 25 Mar 1364 at:

Died: at:

Father: John de MOWBRAY

Mother: Elizabeth SEGRAVE

Notes: [1999]

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CHILDREN

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Name: Anne WELLS [1405]

Spouses: James BUTLER

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Name: Margaret de WELLES [1484]

Born: at: of,North Elmsall,Yorkshire,England

Died: 29 May 1422 at:

Spouses: Stephen Le SCROPE , John de HUNTINGFIELD

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Name: Eudo de WELLES [3168]

Born: ABT 1387 at:

Spouses: Maud de GREYSTOKE

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Name: Eleanor de WELLES

Born: ABT 1390 at:

Spouses: Hugh de POYNINGS

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Pedigree Chart for: John de WELLES

|--John de WELLES

Pedigree Chart for: Eleanor de MOWBRAY

     /--John  MOWBRAY 
  /--John de  MOWBRAY 
  |  --Aline de  BRAOSE 

/--John de MOWBRAY

| | /--Henry PLANTAGENET

| --Joan PLANTAGENET

| --Maud (Matilda) de CHAWORTH

|--Eleanor de MOWBRAY

| /--Stephen de SEAGRAVE

| /--John SEGRAVE

| | --Alice FITZALAN

--Elizabeth SEGRAVE

  |  /--Stephen de  SEAGRAVE 
  --Margaret  NORFOLK 
     --Alice  HALEYS 

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John De WELLES BARON Pedigree Sex: M

Event(s)

Birth:   20 Apr 1352   , Welle, Lincolnshire, England  
Death:   1421   

Parents

Father:  John WELLES BARON WELLES     Disc #55     Pin #542088   
Mother:  Maud De ROS     Disc #55     Pin #542089  

Marriage(s)

1. Spouse: Cecily Disc #55 Pin #554987

Marriage: 1366


2. Spouse: Eleanor De MOWBRAY BARONESS WELLES Disc #55 Pin #540552

Marriage:  May 1386    

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Information on John De Welles Knt....5th Lord Welles of Gainsby

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John DE WELLS was born in 1324. He died in 1361. Parents: Adam DE WELLS and Margaret BARDOLPH.

Spouse: Maud DE ROS. Children were: John DE WELLS.

John DE WELLS was born on 20 Apr 1352. He died in 1421. Parents: John DE WELLS and Maud DE ROS.

Spouse: Eleanor DE MOWBRAY. Children were: Anne WELLS.

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John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352 – 1421) was an English soldier and noble. He married Margaret 'Eleanor', daughter of John, Lord Mowbray by Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave.

At a banquet in Edinburgh and presumably after too much alcohol he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience. As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23 April 1390, he fought David Lindsay in mock combat on horseback on London Bridge, losing the match by falling from his horse in their third charge against each other.

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(Usher of the Exchequer)

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2nd Baron Welles

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Retained for life by John of Gaunt

Married (2) Margaret 1417 -------------------- John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352–1421) was an English soldier and noble the English ambassador to Scotland. He married Margaret "Eleanor," daughter of John, Lord Mowbray by Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave. He was born in Welle, Lincolnshire, England on 20th April 1352. John De Welles died on 26 August 1421.

At a banquet in Edinburgh , after arguing over who was the most gallant of their countrymen, he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.”

As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23rd April 1390, in the presence of Richard II of England , he fought David Lindsay in a jousting tournament on London Bridge.

The day for the encounter arrived, and the two knights fully armed in the plate armour of the period were conducted to the Bridge, where a daïs had been erected for Richard II and the members of his Court.

All the suitable positions were occupied by the nobility, and elsewhere the populace crowded every available corner. When all was in readiness the heralds gave the signal and the two horsemen, spurring their heavy horses, charged full at one another.

Spears were broken, but both warriors remained seated firmly in their saddles. "The people beholding how stiffelie earle (sic) David sat without moving, cried that the Scottisman was locked in his saddle. He hearing this, leapt beside his horse, and verie nimblie mounted up againe into the saddle, armed as he was, to the great wonder of the beholders."

With fresh spears a second course was taken and once more the weapons were splintered "and yet without anie great hurt on either part." At the third collision Lord Welles was borne from his saddle and fell heavily to the ground, being "sore hurt." The onlookers appear to have thought he was killed, but Lindsay was quickly off his horse, and, kneeling by his side, he tenderly held him in his arms until the doctor came to tend his wounds.

http://www.family-forest.co.uk/familytree/biographies/welles/sir-john-welles-5th-baronet-.shtml -------------------- At a banquet in Edinburgh and presumably after too much alcohol he issued, as Champion of England , the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.” As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day , 23 April 1390, he fought David Lindsay ,1st Earl of Crawford in mock combat on horseback on London Bridge , losing the match by falling from his horse in their third charge against each other.

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John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles's Timeline

1352
April 20, 1352
Conisholme, Lincoln, England
April 20, 1352
Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England
1380
1380
Age 27
Little Hayward, Whorecross, Staffordshire, England
1382
June 1382
Age 30
Ufton, Warwickshire, England
1386
May 1386
Age 34
Epworth, Isle Axholme, Yorkshire, England
1387
1387
Age 34
Wells, Lincolnshire, , England
1390
1390
Age 37
Wells, Lincolnshire, England

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Eleanor WELLES (AFN: G609-XX) Pedigree
Sex: F Family
Event(s)
Birth: Abt 1390 Wells, Lincoln, England
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Parents
Father: John De WELLES (AFN: 8J5R-GG) Family
Mother: Eleanor De MOWBRAY (AFN: 8J5J-JT)
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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Hugh De POYNINGS (AFN: B19K-0N) Family
Marriage:
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1421
August 24, 1421
Age 69
Grimsby, North East Lincolnshire, England
1938
June 18, 1938
Age 69
June 18, 1938
Age 69