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Nicknames: "Emma //", "Josseline /Harcourt/", "Josceline of /Pont-Audemer/"
Birthplace: Pont-Audemer, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
Death: Died in Saint-germain-de-montgomery, Calvados, Normandie, France
Occupation: Sainsfrida's daughter
Managed by: Anne M Berge
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About Josceline de Ponteaudemer (de Turqueville)

Josceline (Jocelyn) de Montgommery

Daughter of Seinsfrida de Crépon and her husband (the Forrester)

Spouse: Roger de Montgommery

Children:

1. Hugh (who married Joscline's cousin Josceline de Bolbec)

2. Robert

3. Roger (married Mabile d'Alençon and Adelais de Puiset)

4. Guillaume

5. Gilbert

6. Amiera's parent (uncertain)

LINKS

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm

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MEDIEVAL LANDS

Chapter 1. EARLY NORMAN FAMILIES of VIKING ORIGIN

A. FAMILY of GUNNORA, mistress of RICHARD I Comte de NORMANDIE

Four sisters and one brother, parents not known, presumably of Viking origin:

1. SAINSFRIDA [Senfrie] . She and her three sisters, as well as their husbands, are named by Robert de Torigny[3]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Seufriam" as sister of "Gunnor uxor…Richardi Normannis ducem"[4]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "la femme d'un sien forestier…Sainfrie" rejected the advances of Richard I Comte [de Normandie] and sent her sister Gunnor to his bed in her place[5].

m ---. The name of Sainsfrida's husband is not known.

Sainsfrida and her husband had one child:

a) JOSCELINE . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Iosceline" as daughter of "Seufriam"[6]. Josceline, her husband and her mother are named in a letter of Ives Bishop of Chartres to Henry I King of England dated 1114 which explains the consanguinity between the king and Hugues de Châteauneuf, who wanted to marry one of the king's illegitimate daughters[7].

m ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery, son of ---.

ROGER [I] de Montgommery, son of --- (-[before 1048]). Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois. He witnessed a charter of Robert I Duke of Normandy for the abbey of Saint Wandrille dated [1031/32]. In [1028/35] he restored to the Abbey of Jumièges the market at Vimoutiers which he had taken from the monks[380]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Roger de Montgomeri" was exiled to Paris "à cause de sa perfidie" in the early years of the reign of Guillaume II Duke of Normandy[381].

m JOSCELINE, daughter of --- & his wife Sainsfrida [Senfrie][382] .

Josceline, her husband and her mother are named in a letter of Ives Bishop of Chartres to Henry I King of England dated 1114 which explains the consanguinity between the king and Hugues de Châteauneuf, who wanted to marry one of the king's illegitimate daughters[383].

Roger & his wife had [six] children:

1. HUGUES de Montgommery (-killed in battle 7 Feb[384] [1035/before 1048], bur Troarn384). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[385]. He witnessed his father's charter for the abbey of Jumièges380. He was killed during the troubles in Normandy during the minority of Duke Guillaume II[386]. Vicomte d'Hiémois.

[m JOSCELINE de Bolbec, daughter of OSBERN de Bolbec & his wife Wevia ---. Josceline and her marriage are shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[387]. This is presumably based on Robert de Torigny, continuation of William of Jumièges[388], the unreliability of this part of whose chronicle is discussed in the Complete Peerage[389]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that one of the nieces of Gunnor, mistress of Richard I Comte [de Normandie], married "Hugues de Montgommeri"[390]. There must be some doubt about this as her husband would have been her first cousin.]

2. ROBERT de Montgommery (-before his father). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[391].

3. ROGER [II] de Montgommery (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[392]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte d'Hiémois. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074. Sire d'Alençon.

- see below.

4. GUILLAUME de Montgommery (-killed in battle [1035/before 1048]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Osbern, intendant de la maison du prince [Guillaume II Duke of Normandy] et fils d'Herfast" was murdered at Vandreuil in the early years of the duke's reign by "Guillaume fils de Roger de Montgomeri"[393]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Guillaume was murdered soon after on the orders of Barnon de Glote to avenge the murder of Osbern[394].

5. GILBERT de Montgommery (-murdered [1064]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[395]. Brother of Roger de Montgommery according to Orderic Vitalis, who recorded that he was poisoned by Mabile de Bellême his brother's wife[396].

6. [--- . The identity of Amieria´s parents is not known. She is shown as the daughter of Gilbert in Europäische Stammtafeln[397], but this may be no more than speculation. The word "neptis" may indicate a more remote family relationship than niece.

m ---.] One child:

a) [AMIERIA . Orderic Vitalis reports that Roger de Montgommery married "Amieriam neptem suam" to "Warino autem Calvo" who was "a man small in body but great in spirit" whom he made sheriff of Shrewsbury[398]. Her second marriage is confirmed by a manuscript which recites the history of the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey and records donations including that of "Reginaldus frater Warini vicecomes…villam…Lega", adding in a later passage that "Reinaldus…post mortem Warini vicecomitis uxorem illius, cum honore, suscepit"[399]. Eyton interprets "frater" in this document as meaning "brother-in-law or rather husband of Warin´s widow"[400] but, assuming that the extract quoted above reflects the facts, such an interpretation is unnecessary as Rainald was both Warin´s brother and second husband of Warin´s widow. "Earl Roger" confirmed the donation to St Evroul by "Rainald de Bailal and Amieria his wife, my niece" by charter dated to [1086/94][401]. The date of death of Amieria´s first husband and the date of her second marriage is indicated by Domesday Book which records "Raynaldus" as "vicecomes" of Shropshire[402].

m firstly WARIN [Guérin] "the Bald/le Chauve", son of --- (-before 1086). A manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records donations including by "Warinus vicecomes…in villa…Tugfort" and “uxor…illius post eius obitum…domum…in civitate”, with the consent of "filiis suis"[403].

m secondly (before 1086) her first husband´s brother, RAINALD de Bailleul, son of ---. "Rainaldus" donated “Dodefort” to Shrewsbury abbey for the soul of "Warini antecessoris sui"[404]. Domesday Book records "Raynaldus" as "vicecomes" of Shropshire[405]. "Earl Roger" confirmed the donation to St Evroul by "Rainald de Bailal and Amieria his wife, my niece" by charter dated to [1086/94][406]. He must have ceased to have been Sheriff in the early 1100s as a manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records that "Alanus filius Fladaldi" held “honorem vicecomitis Warini” after "filium eius"[407].] Amieria & her first husband had one child:

i) HUGH (-[1102/10]). A manuscript reciting the history of the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records donations including that of "Hugo filius eiusdem Warini"[408]. Sheriff of Shropshire. A manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records that "Alanus filius Fladaldi" held “honorem vicecomitis Warini” after "filium eius"[409]. As the death of Alan FitzFlaald is dated to before 1114, it is assumed that Hugh died early in the 1100s, probably without issue.


-------------------- See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p64.htm#i8446 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- JOSCELINE3 DE PONTAUDEMER (Tourade2, Torf1), daughter of (2) Tourade2 and Eva (de CREPON) PONTAUDEMER, was born between 964 and 980, and died between 994 and 1090. She married in 994, (AAL-3) HUGUES DE MONTGOMERY[31], son of (AAL-2) Roger MONTGOMERY. [31]

Child: See (AAL-3) Hugues de MONTGOMERY


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Generation One

1. TORF1 was born circa 920, and died between 950 and 1030. He married circa 950, ERTEMBERGE DE BRIQUEBEC. [67, 28, 103]

Seigneur de Torville

possibly a son of Bernard the Dane, the most powerful of the feudal nobles of

Normandy but this relationship has not been proved.

Children: + 2 i. TOURADE2 DE PONTAUDEMER, b. circa 950; m. EVA DE CREPON circa 980.

3 ii. TURCHETIL. 

Seigneur de Turqueville, ancestor of the famous harcourt family of Normandy and

England.

4 iii. WILLIAM DE TORVILLE. 

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Generation Two

2. TOURADE2 DE PONTAUDEMER (Torf1), son of (1) Torf1 and Ertemberge (de BRIQUEBEC) _____, was born circa 950[100], and died between 980 and 1060. He married circa 980, EVA DE CREPON. [67, 32, 103]

younger sister of the Dutchess Gunnora, wife of Richard I, Duke of normandy

(Cf),

Children: + 5 i. HUMPHREY3 DE VEULLES, b. circa 980; m. AUBEREE DE LA HAYE circa 1005.

6 ii. HERBRARD DU PONTEAUDEMER. 
7 iii. GILBERD DU PONTEAUDEMER. 
8 iv. RICHARD DU PONTEAUDEMER. 
9 v. ILBERT DU PONTEAUDEMER. 
10 vi. JOSSELINE. 

+ 11 vii. JOSCELINE; m. (AAL-3) HUGUES DE MONTGOMERY in 994.

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Generation Three

5. HUMPHREY3 DE VEULLES (Tourade de PONTAUDEMER2, Torf1),

son of (2) Tourade2 and Eva (de CREPON) PONTAUDEMER,

was born circa 980[100], and was buried in Preaux Abbey, Ponteaudemer, Normandy, France.

He married circa 1005, AUBEREE DE LA HAYE, who died circa 1045[100]. [68, 27, 103, 113]

Children: 12 i. ROBERT4 DE BEAUMONT, b. circa 1005.

+ 13 ii. COUNT ROGER DE BEAUMONT of Ponteaudemer, b. circa 1022, d. in 1094; m. (ZN-2) COUNTESS ADELIZA DE MEULENT circa 1040.

11. JOSCELINE3 DE PONTAUDEMER (Tourade2, Torf1), daughter of (2) Tourade2

and Eva (de CREPON) PONTAUDEMER, was born between 964 and 980, and died between 994 and 1090. She married in 994, (AAL-3) HUGUES DE MONTGOMERY[31], son of (AAL-2) Roger MONTGOMERY. [31]

Child: See (AAL-3) Hugues de MONTGOMERY


-------------------- Josseline de Beaumont1

b. circa 955

Josseline de Beaumont|b. c 955|p64.htm#i8446|Touroude de Torville , seigneur de Pont Audemer|b. 949|p64.htm#i8445|Seinfreda de Crepon|b. c 932|p64.htm#i8444|seigneur de Pont-Audemer Torf de Torville|b. 928|p64.htm#i8456||||Herbastus de Crepon Sr.|b. 914|p45.htm#i5198||||

Father Touroude de Torville , seigneur de Pont Audemer2 b. 949

Mother Seinfreda de Crepon b. circa 932

    Josseline de Beaumont was niece of Gunnor, second wife of Richard I, Duke of Normandy.1 She was born circa 955. She was the daughter of Touroude de Torville , seigneur de Pont Audemer and Seinfreda de Crepon.2 Josseline de Beaumont married seigneur de Montgommery Hugues de Montgomery circa 975.3

Family

seigneur de Montgommery Hugues de Montgomery b. circa 950

Child

   * Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury+ b. 1005, d. 10941

Citations

  1. [S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed., III:287.
  2. [S209] Somerset Herald J.R. Planché, Planché, J.R..
  3. [S221] Todd A. Farmerie, "Gunnor of Normandy".
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Josceline de Ponteaudemer's Timeline

989
989
Pont-Audemer, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
1000
1000
Age 11
St-Germain-de-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France
1007
1007
Age 18
1009
1009
Age 20
1011
1011
Age 22
Normandie, France
1022
1022
Age 33
1022 in Saint-Germain-DE-Montgommery, Calvados, Normandy, France
1050
February 7, 1050
Age 61
Saint-germain-de-montgomery, Calvados, Normandie, France
1050
Age 61
France
1994
June 8, 1994
Age 61
August 2, 1994
Age 61