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Judith "Judi" Elaine McKee

Birthdate: (63)
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Alvin Robert McKee and Reba Doris Emery
Widow of David Boswell Burns
Mother of Susie Deanna Burns and David Boswell Burns
Sister of <private> McKee

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About Judith "Judi" Elaine (McKee) Burns

FOLLOWERS


Followers are most welcome even if we are distant cousins. It is a way to help with "Big Tree" and correct it without having to possibly follow every profile we descend from. Or also join a "family Group" or become "colloborators" It is a way to keep track of what is going on the world of GENI.

I am starting to work through my tree and will probably start following most or if not all eventually of profiles that related to my direct line and possibly the children of the grandparents.

We all should learn to play together in the sandbox as eventually somehow  out lines will cross  in  the distance past  the  phrase "we are all related" is so very true... it sad that there has been  so much snipeing at one another lately on GENI   and the feeling of "sole ownership" of  multi-managed profiles 

Burns-McKee & Extended Research family tree

While using ANY genealogical website or program...please be informed that ANY possible family connections are NOT valid until they can be verified with documentation.

MY TREE

It was intended to be public to all - with just names of those who were living as a means to locate and find lost researchers and new distant cousins

GENI - at one time labeled the Generations 1-4 as being the "Private Tree" of a person. All that is found now thus far concerning this is:

Public profiles - Profiles you add outside your private tree that are deceased are public profiles These profiles are shared with the entire Geni community. The public can view your public profiles. Your collaborators, relatives, Geni Curators, and Geni employees can edit them.


Private profiles - Profiles you add within your private tree and all living profiles outside your private tree are private profiles. Your family group, Geni Curators, and Geni Employees can view and edit your private profiles. All Geni users can search for private profiles

The INTENT Of my Tree is to be a part of the "BIG TREE" and preserve research I have done for myself, family members; and for a very close friend. also there have been 2 local surnames "OVERYMYER and STAHL" of which I have rescued genealogy books for going to the Landfill these I placed in PAF for editing, and adding too. - there were also 2 other books that I was allowed to bring home from my local library and database into the Overmyer book and I have supplemented it with additional obituaries, biographies I have found.

I encourage merging of all profiles within MY TREE to keep with the ultimate and original goal GENI had back when I joined in Novemebr of 2009 which is ONE BIG TREE - their saying is or was "WE ARE ALL RELATED"

Also no Genealogist worth their weight in Salt will dedicate themselves to only ONE online site - they will freely share their genealogical work with as many as they can handle and peruse my top choices after GENI are:

  • familysearch.org (so far it is totally free)
  • Ancestry.com
  • My Heritage.com (now the parent company of GENI).

also they will maintain a file that is GEDCOM accessible which Includes

  • Notes
  • Sources
  • multimedia (photos & documents attached to rpofiles)
  • contact information (Addresses)
  • confidential data
  • Full information on living
  • Names on Living
  • Submitter
  • LDS Data
Some allow 
  • To-do-Task logs
  • Research Logs
  • Correspondence Logs
  • Note Formatting
  • Extra Details

of course a person chooses just how much information is shared in a GEDCOM and if they are a true blooded genealogist they will share all possible information they have gathered on the family

I myself have yet to link photos and documents to my personal computer program and what to eventually.

and also offline you share with as many family members as possible - as the saying goes "YOU DO NOT KEEP ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET"!

MY PASSIONS IN GENEALOGY Has been to find the 'CORRECT' and "DOCUMENTED" lineage for my Vandeventer ancestry.

I have complied and maintained the Hardesty/Edington/Ashcraft ancestry of Thomas Hardesty of Greene county Indiana

I have re-compiled the "McKee’s of Virginia and Kentucky' and collected any McKee Ancestry along the way - in hopes to prove of disprove the myth of 5-10 brother coming to America and find the "Documented" lineage backwards for these brothers. - I even lost the whole manuscript back in 1987/1988 through stupidity and un-blinding trusts in others - but the 'Ill wind' turned out be advantageous to the manuscript - i printed out all my group sheets of my direct line grandparents and their children and arranged them in sections section One is;

  • Chapter 2 John McKee
  • Chapter 3 William and James McKee
  • Chapter 4 Robert McKee and Mary Todd
  • Chapter 5 Joseph Howe McKee and Lucinda Bartlett
  • Chapter 6 Robert Thomas McKee and Margaret J. Mc Indoo, Elizabeth (Burdsall) Thompson, Martha (Dye) Waggoner

Section two is any unconnected McKee ancestry to the above Virginia and Kentucky McKee’s.

I have an on going website for my Emery heritage - and the descendants of John and Anthony Emery of Newbury, Massachusetts; and it also constrains the ancestry of 2 other branches Conrad Emery and and his descendants Jacob Emery of Sussex county New Jersey .

== MY FORTE== Greene county Indiana genealogy research; surnames: McKee, Vandeventer, Turley, Dye, Gastineau, and allied lines Emery, Hardesty, Edington, Ault, and their allied lines ; my so called brick wall Taylor, Mewhirter/McWhirter, and Whitworth;

Friends surnames: Norris (which is also Greene county related); Justice, Bussard, Barron, McCombs, Weirick, Reichard, Rumbarger, and Musselman.;

Step-family lines: Green, Schrimsher, Reed, Kline, Kistler, Richards and others.

Culver Genealogy: McKee, Overmyer, Stahl

==MAIN AREA OF WORK==

I am basically working with my Greene county Indiana ancestry right now getting it back in with those of my lines within the United States maybe a couple of generations into the "old country'.

I am leaving the European heritage and royalty lines to the curators and others to work with WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE about them.

In fact for now I have dumped them all out of my working PAF - tho I have a copy of my old paf files as yet - - those lines are just to 'screwed up' they were an inherited Gedcom which never was cleaned up. the naming patterns are horrendous and inconsistent..

==MY GOALS==

As when I began it is and was to find my ancestors - my parents were 43 years (dad) and 30 years (mom) older than I . grandmother McKee said she always complained that she would never be a grandmother as dad and his brother got married in 1948 and their sister in 1945. she got 2 grandchildren within 3 months I in October and my aunts son in December. My brother followed the following year. In September.

I want to work within my projects - which are my family lines - with on project being a 30+ year controversy as to his parentage and being erroneously always being connected to the New England Emery's when he was born, lived and died in New Jersey with no obvious New England connection to Massachusetts and Maine

I‘d like to see any profiles form 1910 back opened up as PUBLIC profiles they are 100 years old+.

At one time someone on GENI hinted I was possibly being tossed around as a candidate for curator-ship this was over three years ago when they first came into being I was told by this person it hinged on being active in the discussion boards and apologizing to a GENI member who called me a liar publicly in one of them - who at time was at time a part of GENI I have no idea if she is now or not but I had had contact with her about 2 years prior to joining GENI and finally made the connection of how I knew her - she had contacted me privately about one line I was researching and she was making wrong assumptions I just finally had to hand over my entire GEDCOM file on the family branch and told her to go for it - I did not trust her and her work - needless to say I refused to apologize – at one time I thought it would be nice to be a Curator but now I am not sure - It would be nice to be able to lock down some of my profiles etc. that I know are correct and should not be altered - I know I will probably never become one - and really do not care - just as lng as I can share and preserve my genealogical work with others I have done actively since 1976. I am just not a good "Brown-noser" as you would call it - I do my work - they way I would expect a paid Professional Genealogist to do it - presenting me with documentation, facts, and hints

==COLLOBORATION==

COLLOBORATION has always in my mind been a part of genealogy because without it we would have no genealogy at all! Outside of GENI we have done it ever since we began in genealogy - we use: census reports, databases, written works, genealogies, histories, etc. ALL DONE BY OTHER PEOPLE over the years - we have placed queries, written letters to archives, courthouses, distant relatives... Truthfully we can never claim our ancestry as our own work - as it has been done by others before us - we can only claim to have collected the information that we have and to have compiled it in some form, edited and improved upon it, hopefully :-).

We have all freely copied by handed, XEROX-ed and shared via snail mail without strings attached – yet online seems to come in the selfish part “It’s mine” do not touch or edit - but is that not what we done ourselves upon getting, finding new information and sources – so why should it be any different if its online and computer instead of pen/pencil/typewriter and snail-mail - only difference I see there is not a lot of wasted paper and ink and there is no need to constantly redo group sheets and pedigree charts and they are automatically printed out in any format we want from a genealogy program and we can even e-mail without the cost of postage.

I know that COLLOBORATION is also the essence of GENI - and I know it is IMPORTANT for the out come of the "BIG TREE". I also know that there are those that feel the more Collaborators one can accumulate in of essence a 'badge under ones belt' and "the more the merrier! BUT to me it is not the LARGE number of collaborators - it is the QUALITY of work being produced.

==MY GENI MOMENT==

BUT I am very very careful after my first collaboration less than two weeks after I joined GENI on 26 Nov 2009 which created and reeked total havoc, chaos and destroyed years of and research on three early generations of these families -

Children who died as infants were merged with children who also had died or a child of the same name dying either as an infant or child were merging with the last remaining child of the name who lived. every John smith, Mary Smith were merged together whether they were the correct person many times this crossed the generational lines - grandfathers were married to their grandsons wife, uncles to their nephews wife, father to their sons wife...

When reaching the help desk and GENI reps the only consultation I got from them was I had to 'dump my tree' and leave GENI - persistence paid off as one "request for help" after another finally one told me to only to SHUT OFF ALL Collaborators and this would solve the problem - I did but the merging still was going on at high speed the 2x's were growing as high as 12x's and beyond a parent had as many as 100+ children and yet another GENI rep when I sought help but I was still being told 'dump my tree" and leave GENI or apply for under another account under a different e-mail l...finally by another GENI rep I was told to follow all the blue dots, yellow triangles, and green X's and break up the bad merges as I found them.

It was a total nightmare and I went to places way beyond "MY Tree' and never could get back without having to 'opt out' and re-start and climb the tree to a 'bad merge' only to be taken back way beyond my "Immediate tree" again and back to restart.

I was told by the finally GENI rep to back out of all the merges on "MY TREE" back to my original profiles if I could but it was prefaced with "IT CAN'T BE DONE" it took 4 months of almost 24/7 and non-sleep to accomplish it and being within one family group of 5-10 a set of grandparents & their children of having it accomplished . And this was with the help of ONLY TWO other GENI PRO members- somehow one GENI PRO user found me offered me her help then enlisted another GENI PRO member who is now a curator - but in doing so I think I became the most 'hated and osterzied person on GENI.

It was at this point that I was cajoled back into Collaboration with that I made the decision of pulling all my profiles in late April 2010 that WERE NOT connected to the "BIG TREE" and had no other people connected as MANAGERS, I pulled only those that had MY NAME ONLY ON THEM as a SINGLE and SOLE MANAGERSHIP - I did not delete any that were connected to the 'big tree', but if was and sole manager I entered a [-?- -?-] to make it a one parent line to keep the connection there. Because of this and since this time I have basically done nothing to my Smith-Hinckley line I go peek once and a while but that is it I am afraid almost to touch it - for fear of being condemned by those up there in the line. I owe a great thanks to Denise Unander who stepped up and contacted me freely offering help when no one else on GENI would not even the customer reps and enlisted another - Gene Daniels ; and to him I owe a big thanks to still being on GENI as I was at a point I was still ready to leave - he basically told me to 'take a break' and come back and look. So I took a break - and then came back with full determination to do what I had set out to do - enter my genealogy works into GENI for preservation - whether I get it done or not before I die i do not know - but I will sure try....

I had seriously considered leaving GENI - but I was determined not to be beaten down only by one person who was 'nasty' and called me a "liar" - I had dealings with this person OFF OF GENI a couple of years before - on a line I was researching - Joseph Barron, the Indian Interpreter she was trying to force him into her ancestry - which was Quebec and Detroit oriented - yes Joseph Barron was born in Quebec but he lived in Vincennes and Logansport, Indiana dying in the later place not Detroit as she had claimed - and was several generations off of the 'Joseph Barron' she was trying to match him to - BUT she was bound and determined - I finally just had to GEDCOM the Barron information I had on him and possible ancestors and send it to her, needless to say I did not trust her work - even tho she became a curator that is now gone off of GENI

Someone dub this as 'your GENI MOMENT"

==MY COLLOBORATORS== Of 2 of my newest collaborators they found me - and are new to genealogy -

Brittany Ann Emery is my cousin's wife daughter .

Sharlene Berry told me she is working on the family at the request of a niece - she connects to my great-grandfather George Dye via his son John A. Dye who left Greene county Indiana and went to Arkansas - it looks like she could of left GENI and now that area is a total mess!!!!

Miranda Figg is a double cousin in that her great-great grandparents Noah and Minnie (Emery) Edington are brother and sister to my grandparents Clarence O. and Effie Ellen (Edington) Emery.

Larry Dean Sturgeon - is new to GENI and descends from the Hardesty clan.

another has been on GENI for awhile -

Kent Morga's wife ties into the Hardesty clan and another with Greene county Indiana ancestry and ties to the Hardesty clan J. Anita Ray' and other Hardesty cousin are - Kevin Lee Waldroup, P.E. , Lois June Hubble (Bedwell) , Phil Martin ,

On the Mckee side of Greene county is - Danielle M. Crum

I will add Collaborators as I feel necessary - as I can handle - if a curator I have activated the 'automatic-merge' feature for them without question as to help facilitate the clean-up of the 'BIG TREE'

I know possibly that many on GENI are probably against me - but does that bother me, maybe it should but it does not - - - because of my stand on my Smith-Hinckley line - and in doing exactly what GENI reps told me to do close out my ONLY COLLOBORATOR and break up the bad merges to get to my original profiles.

For a long time I worked by myself collecting my family history all I had was my one paid researcher, dad and then my mother's cousin (Charles Edington), and queries. Mom and her sister would help not help at all tho they would talk of things between themselves; eaves dropping sometimes paid off! . In fact they both thought I had totally lost my mind. In fact at Christmas of 1985 I was told that if I remember as that's when I had found the Gulick, Stoker, Smith, Hinckley and all the allied lines through a distant cousin in California – that’s when I had ordered 5 sets of books from NEGHS - I says "sets" as they did not loan just one book if it was a volume set or series - they loaned the full set - so you ended up with at least 10 books at a time. The set of books had arrived and had to be either returned with out getting what I fully needed from them - so I opted to take them to on Christmas vacation with me to Florida some of the some of it needed to be copied to send it to her and my partner-in-crime Charles Edington.

= Why Do I Do Genealogy?=

I just love genealogy and history - It is really all I know how to do and feel proficient in and that I have and do that is totally me - I am a 'nobody' I have never had any real self-confidence or self worth - besides for genealogy I have always done what everyone else wanted me to do or say

Genealogy is one of those activities that some people can become engrossed in to the exclusion of eating and sleeping, not to mention causing the eyeballs of their family and friends to glaze over. Other people just don't get it: "That was then, this is now. Who really cares what happened in the past? What does it matter who my great-great-grandparents were?"

My real interest if 'family" came about sometime after September 1974 when mom and dad moved to Bradenton, Florida - dad loved to talk about 'family' but then there was times he would 'clam-up' it took me a awhile to figure it out - but i did - he would not talk when mom was around - even on the phone - - when she was either out of ear-hot or gone from the house he would open-up and talk.

My first real introduction into genealogy if you will call it that was sometime between 15 October 1964 as within the next 2 weeks grandmother came to live with us and she die on 19 February 1966. One day she was just sitting in her chair in her bedroom (it was mine up till that time) at our house she one day blurted out her brothers and sisters and she made sure i knew that there was 2 separate families and she named every child of each - never saying anything about her parents - - and no I did not write them down.

As a child the "family" that I knew only circled around a very few people - Mom and dad, my brother

We would go to mom and dad's home town Lyons, Greene, Indiana at least once a month as a 'family' when I was a child until 1962 when dad began as manager of the Enco gas station in Culver, Marshall, Indiana and then it was just mom and my brother and I that went.

These visits at Lyons was split between Saturday and Sunday; upon arrival we would promptly go to the country to Grandfather and grandmother McKee's during our times there the people that came and went were Huldah Vandeventer, Mae and Emery Calvert, and dad's brother and his wife Lowell and Manda (Leckner) Mckee, dad's sister Thelma and her husband and son Vernon and James Hennebohle, lived in northern Indiana, lower Wisconsin and then finally in Pinellas Park, Florida so they where not constant visitors on those weekends. on Sunday morning we would get up eat breakfast, pack-up the car and go into church (church of Christ) there we would be greeted by a myriad of people none never really introduced to us kids but there came also were Sam and Maggie Jeffers, Mae and Emery Calvert, Lowell and Manda (Leckner) McKee, there was one we knew as "Aunt Emma' (Emma Jane Edington Hardesty) she would always exclaim how we kids were growing so and that she was going to have to get a cement block and put on our heads.

after church we went to Mom's childhood home - the house stood on St. Rd. 67 and was a corner street. Her father Clarence Emery and sister Norma N. Emery lived there - grandmother never was around and nothing was ever said as to why - I later found out she died in 1944 when I started genealogy.. Norma's real name at birth was "Nellie' and one time I remember she exclaimed that it reminded her of a horse so she used the name 'Norma N' people there were limited to their brother Leonard his wife Louise and their son Gerald Lee.

As a child "family was never spoken of'; there were no family pictures around the house hanging on the walls, posed on the end tables. family at home existed of me, mom dad and my brother Steve. Norma and grandfather Emery would come to visit at Culver. once dad's sister Thelma and her family came - but I don't remember anything of that visit except mother tired to put on 'airs' and she brought out her Fostoria crystal glassware; and cousin Jimmy bite down to hard on the edge of the glass while drinking his milk or ice tea and took a chunk out of it, needless to say the Fostoria glassware never came out of the cupboard's top shelf again unless it was for packing up to move - which it seemed we done several times - - I can not even note the time dates for sure. I know we came to culver in Nov 1952 and lived out on the Newman farms and in one of their houses out on 19th rd.; then we moved to the corner of State Road 10 and 17 just when I do not know and lived there until Aug. 1959/1960 and moved on west on St. Rd. 10; in Aug 1962 we moved into town to Forest Place and then to Main St and then in summer of 1964 to Plymouth Street. and then in fall of 1967/8 to Lakeshore dr. where remained till I moved out and moved to S Main Street I worked from sometime in 1970 till June 1972 as a waitress because that was all my mother would allow me to do - it was within walking distance of the house - less than a block - - from 1972 I became "only a house wife' I was not allowed to work outside the home - at least my kids had an at home mother even if they did not appreciate it, something i never had as a child.

In 1974 I was privileged to met another family member - "Aunt Minnie (Emery) Edington - really my great aunt. I have a picture of her holding my son as an infant - my prize possession - but I did not know how she was my "Aunt" and never was told - I found out eventually she was my Grandfather’s Emery's sister and that she was also my grandmother Effie (Edington) emery's sister-in-law she married Effie's brother Noah - - what became of grandmother Emery? she had died in May of 1944.

With the advent of 'roots' in 1976 and the television saga of in January of 1977 my interest in 'family history' became greater and greater -

Dad over the phone from Florida would gladly fill me in with names on his side of the family - - mother would not - - so thus began my quest for "digging" mother and her sister - well I think they thought I had lost all my faculties - they never did help or was willing to give any family data - but they wanted to read it! - comments from mother were only is she thought some of it that it was wrong but I would not change it as it was given by family members and her cousin who knew they family also and was my co-partner in genealogy research till he died in 1999.

The Indianapolis Star ran a weekly column every Sunday called 'Indiana Ancestors' - I read it as a teenager but i never saved any of them queries were limited to 50 words - but I got to be on a first name basis with the writer Victoria Hizer and I think she stretched mine a little - I would send in 2-3 at a time it was from this that I got my first real break on my mother's side. a very dear lady wrote me Minnie Cleo (Merritt) White giving me an outline and telling me i could fill in the blanks, she would help when she got "feeling better" but she never was able to - she died on 4 Jun 1979 from cancer. Her outline?

Judith E. Mckee Burns | Reba Doris Emery Mckee | Clarence Ovid Emery Effie Edignton | Charles Sigiel Emery Minerva Jane Hardesty Leonard Edington Martha Ann Williams | Nathaniel Emery Mary Susan McWhirter Jacob Hardesty Mary Susan Whitworth Thomas Edington Ursula Moore James Mack Williams Margaret Ault | Ambrose Emery Mary Anderson Robert Mcwhirter Elizabeth Taylor Thomas Jefferson Hardesty Jane Mansfield Robert Edington Margaret Hardesty John Moore Lydia Fergsuon Thomas Williams Rebecca Meredith John Ault Fidelia Taylor | Aquilla Hardesty Caty Meek Thomas Hardesty Nancy Ann Chaney | Thomas Hardesty Nancy Ann Chaney

thus basically all my Greene county Indiana ancestors were lined up for me on my mothers side but there were no dates, places etc. other than they resided in Greene county and I could fill in the blanks...

for as dad's lines I found a researcher in the Chicago area and the Archive there for the census a dear person by the name of Lorretta Dennis Szucs - she became a noted national speaker on genealogy and wrote several chapters in the "Source" what has become of her I do not know.

The line of migration for these lines were:


Edington == new jersey, to Hunterdon county Pennsylvania to Coshocton county Ohio to Greene county Indiana

Emery== Essex Massachusetts to Philadelphia county Pennsylvania to Greene county Pennsylvania to Coshocton County Ohio to Greene county Indiana

Ault/Alt == York County Pennsylvania to Coshocton County Ohio to Greene county Indiana


Hardesty == Anne Arundel county Maryland to Coshocton County Ohio to Greene county Indiana


Mewhirter / McWhirter== is basically a brick wall -back from Robert , from Coshocton county to Greene county Indiana

Williams== is basically a brick wall -back from Thomas , from Coshocton county to Greene county Indiana

Ferguson== is basically a brick wall -back from John of Harrison county Ohio dying early, his children went to Coshocton county to Greene county Indiana

Whitworth== is basically a brick wall -back from Thomas born in Virginia, married in Kentucky to Greene county Indiana


Gullick== New Amsterdam heritage went to Kentucky


McKee== Pennsylvania, to Rockbridge county Virginia to Mercer and Fayette counties Kentucky to Owen and Greene counties Indiana

Dye / Duyts== New Amsterdam heritage went to Kentucky then to Lawrence and Greene counties Indiana

Gastineau== Virginia to Kentucky then to Lawrence and Greene counties Indiana

Vandeventer== New Amsterdam heritage, a missing link at Wynant as there is no documented proof for his sons Virginia to Kentucky then to Gibson, clay and Greene counties Indiana

My intent was to get enough to get started - put the notebook on the bottom of the bookcase self till 'old age" and work on it after my children grew up --- it never happened

The only break I took from it was for about 3 years from aug 1990 to some time early 1994 - I answered mail, done some computer data entry but with the death of my husband I had to get my then 16 and 17 year olds of high school first 1991 and 1993. I had to try to find work which was impossible except odd part time jobs that did not pay good I even went back to college and graduated with a computer science and business administration Associate degree and it done no good - - I did find one job but it lasted about 4 months - from then on I have lived with friends as a caregiver etc. it gives me a roof over my head, food and my internet connection our clothing comes from a "good Samaritan shop which we haul their surplus from store it till enough is gathered to call Goodwill and they come pick-up by the truck load. medical and dental care does not exist , and I guess in many people's eyes i am a complete failure in life - - enough....

Up till 1990 I belonged to the New England historic genealogical Society and got books on loan on a regular basis as fast as I could abstract data and mail them back and get another set in return and also the same with the national Genealogical Society. i was also a member of the Heritage Quest before it turned library only and when it was known as AGLL (American genealogical lending library). I join DAR on Jonathan Edington and then filed papers for Leonard divan, Valentin alt and Ambrose emery. I had papers started for Robert Hardesty and Samuel Chaney and there were 3-4 on dads side I was contemplating on but all the ceased when David died - money was needed for life not for genealogy...

==My dreams my Hopes==

When I started genealogy back in 1976-1977 it was my dream on day to -

  • Travel to Ft. Wayne, Allen, Indiana and research in the Allen county Library Genealogy section as it is only about an hours away ( and about 80 miles one way) but alas it's never going to happen
  • Just maybe even the LDS Library out in Salt Lake city and be able to research
  • To visit Newbury, Newburyport, Massachusetts from whence my Emery ancestors came from - but that will not happen either
  • To be able to afford to have hired more done or do my own research on David's (my husband's) lines as they are all Scotland based
  • There was even that far fetched dream of possibly being able to travel to Scotland - the year David died he said we were offered a paid trip there and expenses by some Lake or academy person - but in reality I know that was one of his "white lies'

like as the years past I will have to settle for 'arm chair genealogy' - while David was alive i could afford Membership in New England historical Genealogical Library and their library loan program - the last to go was the National Genealogical Society as it was the cheapest and finally it went when they moved the loan library to the St. louis library this is a great collection and it is all available for free or for a nominal fees (probably now since economy and budgets are being cut) through your local library.

  • While David was alive able to afford to joining the cheaper “life membership" societies which included Monroe county Indiana Historical Society; Kentucky historical Society; and the Sons & Daughters of 1st Settlers of Newbury Massachusetts - the $100 spent back there one a year has been well spent money
  • I did belong to a local D.A.R. chapter but had to give it up because I could not afford to keep up the dues - was behind and the local chapter was unwilling to help me stay a member whether thorough them or 'at-large' - I joined on Jonathan Edington and then had supplements on Ambrose Emery, Valentine 'Flety" Alt/Ault Jr., and Leonard divan. In the works were supplements for Frances Hardisty and Samuel Chaney (as double lineage); and Ferdinand Gulick and Edward Stoker the later four never were able to be filed and all my paper the paper work for them burned; except for the application paper of descendants who had joined on them.

I am finding out that it is better not to hope... to dream... but be content with what one can do without what one can find for "free'; as I know I will never be able to afford or do the things I have wanted to do or to travel etc....

==Generational misfit == I call my self the "Generational misfit" - I was born in 1951, dad in 1908 and mom in 1920. Dad and his father was okay 1908 & 1880 - but Grandfather McKee and his dad was another 'generational misfit" grandpa born in 1880 and great grandfather in 1834 - he had 3 families all dying but 2 of the girls and only one of them lived to marry and have a family.

I am no longer coordinator on INGenWeb for Indiana counties of Carroll, Greene Owen, and Sullivan and have moved to trails of the Past - I have this feeling that there will be changes made and not for the good of the coordinators that have worked hard on INGenWeb for the past seven years and I do not want to be a part of it i hope I am wrong but I have this nagging feeling.....

The Who am I does for all my web projects is more detailed about me with pictures.

To prove it here is my family tree from mother back me back

The surname - List

Burns-McKee Heritage

This will have to be re-done, my friend was hit by a very vicious hacker in May and just starting to get things to work right again Vicious i am going to have to make all my TNG files over again - but my PAF at the moment is crashing in the middle of making a GEDCOM so cleaning and stripping it down - may have to break it up into smaller files - not sure - it all been frustrating....

Main Projects / Websites

My pet projects are the Lake Maxinkuckee Its Intrigue History and Genealogy

and I designed some of the backgrounds from maps, postcards etc. for the site;

and emery Family Research website Descendants of John Emery & Anthony Emery of Newbury, Ma . - Conrad Emery of Pennsylvania and it has - my ancestry through John Emery of Newbury, Massachusetts there - I updated his section of the book in 1982 and had it published - collected anything relating to the Emery name - and I put the book of Conrad Emery a German branch into PAF and have updated it some as inquiries have come in

my great-grandfather's Robert Thomas McKee civil war diary is here


There is another one to go and in its pocket is newspaper clippings of the time -

PAF files I maintain

my lines and my husbands - which i am entering now - 11,224

  • Hardesty Family - 22,204
  • Conrad Emery descendants - 8,842
  • Rumbarger Family - 1,291 (from the chart)
  • Stahl family of Marshall & Fulton counties Indiana 494
  • McKee's of Marshall & Fulton county their ancestry 1,608
  • Norris Book of Maryland 24,670
  • Mansfield 334
  • Reichard 4,967 needs compared to manuscript
  • Schrimsher ancestors 797
  • Alt/Ault 4,574
  • Reed 1,497

hopefully with time I can input these all into my family tree line if the Lord gives me enough time health wise and i vie long enough - - it took ten years just to change my group sheets to PAF form - I have been working almost 24/7 till 2, 3 and 4 in the morning inputting what I have to date into my Geni file - whether anyone appreciates any of it I do not know -

Books I own

  • Turley Family records Beth Mitchell Etal, (1981), Turley Family Historical Research Association,
  • Sextons, The Donald Jr. and Georgie Benton, Sextons, The, - no date manuscript. This is 2 big notebooks about 4" thick and a Xerox project no index - and no good numbering system lots of good data tho. it has newspaper clippings documents etc.
  • Essex Antiquarian book set
  • Genealogical Records of Descendants of John and Anthony Emery of Newbury, Mass. 1590 - 1890, The Rev. Rufus Emery (1890, Salem Press and Printing Co., The Salem Press, 1891).

I have loads of Greene county Indiana source material cemetery books, wpa books, the microfiche of the wills, probate indexes marriage applications 1920-1988 etc. and other items of genealogical value.

At one time I owned the - Loyd D. Gastineau, Compiler, Our Gastineau Family, 3rd Edition (1994, Windmill Publications Inc., Mt. Vernon, In.),

Joyce Lee Mills, Compiler, Laurens Duyts/Dye Family History Vol. 3 Bk. 1 (William and Margaret (Salter), The (Aug 1990),

Joyce Lee Mills, Laurens Duyts/Dye Family History Vol. 1 Bk. 1 First Three generations & Vincent and Sarah Artesse Dye,

there were others but I donated them to the National Genealogical Society and there collection is now held in the St. Louis library open to all to get through their local library on interlibrary loan @http://www.slcl.org/branches/hq/sc/ngs/ngscol-main.htm

I helped with the dye, Gastienau and Turley books providing the Greene county Indiana data for them.

Manuscripts -

the bold are my lines -

McKees -

  • Section One McKees' of Ky & Virginia

Chapter 1 McKee Preface Chapter 2 John McKee Chapter 3 William and James McKee Chapter 4 Robert McKee and Mary Todd Chapter 5 Joseph Howe McKee and Lucinda Bartlett Chapter 6 Robert Thomas McKee – Margaret J. McIndoo Elizabeth (Burdsall) Thompson Martha (Dye) Waggoner

  • SECTION TWO - ALEXANDER MCKEE/McKie Sir Patrick McKie; m. Susanna Kennedy
  • SECTION THREE - John McKee and Polly Mc Coy
  • SECTION FOUR - Anthony McKee and Nancy [-?- -?-] - culver Indiana McKee's now in PAF form also trying to connect McKee’s together
  • Section Five - James McKee and Elizabeth Moore
  • Section Six - James McKee and Nancy Robinson
  • Section Seven - John McKee and Jane Cloyd
  • Section Eight - Patrick Mckie and Jane MacDonall
  • Section Nine - Thomas McKee and Susannah Waugh
  • Section Ten - John O. McKee and Mary Parks
  • William H. McKee and Emily Helen Lewman
  • Section Eleven - WILLIAM MCKEE m. MARIAM BROWN

DAVID MCKEE of McKeesport, Allegheny, & Pa.; MARGARET [-?- -?-] MARGARET MCKEE & ROBERT HAMILTON

  • Section Twelve ALEXANDER MCKEE of Tn. Said to be s/o Robert & Agness, MARY BEAN McKee said to be daughter of JOHN & JANE LOGAN.
  • Section Thirteen - GRIZEL* DELL (GRACE)4 MCKEE m. William Dyer

Vandeventer

'VANDEVENTER' DESCENDANTS OF GREENE, CLAY, OWEN, MONROE & MORGAN COUNTIES INDIANA==

  • 1) Absolum Vandeventer and 1) Susanna Coghill 2) Mary Ellen Huffman
  • 2) James and Nancy Ingrum
  • 3) Thomas and Adaline Farris
  • 4) Josiah and Emilie "Milly" Hugh/Hughes
  • 5) John and Nancy Franklin [he m. 2nd Deliah Vandeventer & that line is under James & Nancy Ingrum]
  • 6) Jacob and Mary Driscoll

manuscript form - documented -

I believe that if we ever find the missing link(s) that all these families of Greene co., In. are connected together, but it is finding that missing link!

Bays

Bays (Bay/ Bayse) of Greene county Indiana (not my lines but married into distantly, started for a genealogy buddy back in the 1980's) Descendants of John Bayes John Bayes Sr. b. c 1736 Va. D. 14 Jun 1794 Pittsylvania co., Va m. Lucy [-?- -?-]. He is said to have been recognized for public service during the Revolutionary War.

McKee of culver Fulton county Indiana Manuscript & PAF [ 1608 profiles]

Alt/Ault Manuscript & PAF [5629 profiles]

paf - 'Valentin Alt family in America -

  • Valentin Alt - His Children & Grandchildren - Chartered Records of The Valentin Alt Family In America (1963) by Nellie Wallace Reeser this is 4 vols of handwritten or typed = I got some of the groups sheets back in the 1980's of my direct line
  • Valentin Alt, His Children and Grandchildren Nellie Wallace Reeser 1949
  • Alden Ault reprinted adding some info to the later - and I continued to do so over the years of the Greene county and Fulton county Indiana aults.

Hardesty PAF file [13, 0033 profiles]

THOMAS HARDESTY OF GREENE COUNTY, INDIANA AND HIS ANCESTORS AND DESCENDANTS Robert, Francis Hardesty of Anne Arundell county Maryland; Edington Ashrcraft families also -

Stahl PAF files 484 profiles

Stahl Family History, The Jacob peter Stahl, Historian Dayton, Ohio, August 10, 1924; publisher not stated - I put into PAF and updating -

Overmyer [8,842 profiles]

  • Overmyer History and Genealogy, from 1680 - 1905 Barnhart B. and John C. Overmyer Freemont, Ohio, Chas S. Beelman, Printer 1905, I put into PAF and updating
  • Overmier History and Genealogy 1813-1962, Lineage of Peter III 1680-1905
  • Daniel Overmyer History and Genealogy 1832 to 1978 Mabel Brucker, Monterey, Indiana
  • Obituaries from the Rochester’s Sentinel to verify and update

Reichard PAF files [4967 profiles]

REICHARD THE HOUSE OF REICHARD'S that JOSEPH AND MARIAH APOLLONIA REICHARD'S DESCENDANTS BUILT 600 = page manuscript well documented and a files drawer full of documents of varied kind - wills, obits, biographies from county histories.

Emery of New Jersey & Pennsylvania [7237 profiles]

Conrad Emery and His Descendants Frederic B. Emery, M.D. 1970, Unique Publishing Service - PAF and updating

Kistlers

THE KISTLERS OF CASS, PULASKI, and WHITE COUNTIES, INDIANA done by another but have been trying to update as can - my step-daughter's lines - this was paper Xerox manuscript and I put into word files.

Barron

Joseph Barron the Indian Interpreter's descendants - Wirick, justice, Bussards, Norris, Rumbarger

Norris PAF Files [24,670 profiles]

The Norris Family of Maryland & Virginia; Genealogy of Thomas Norris 1361 - 1930 Harry Alexander Davis 4 vol. 1941 Washington D.C. Transcript I put into PAF form and updating descendants - Wirick, justice, Bussards, Rumbarger

  • The Norris Family of Maryland & Virginia; Genealogy of Thomas Norris 1361 - 1930 Harry Alexander Davis 4 vol. 1941 Washington D.C. Transcript
  • Kentucky Descendants of Thomas Norris of Maryland 1630 - 1953 and Allied Families Gertrude Cleghorn Josserand (Mrs. Guy D.) (1916) Edwards Brothers Inc. Ann Arbor, Mich.
  • Pennsylvania Descendants of Thomas Norris of Maryland 1630 - 1959 and allied Families Marjorie (Butler) (Mrs. Henry Norris) Harrison 1959 Edwards Brothers Inc. Ann Arbor, Mi.
  • Norris Family Aquilla and Priscilla Norris Descendants of Thomas Norris and Ann Hynson Herbert S. Norris 25 Oct 1997, update 27 Feb. 1999 computer generated manuscript
  • The Norris Family of Maryland Thomas Miller Myers (1916) William Clemens, Publisher New York, New York
  • Plus any sources found to update the paf

Mansfield PAF files [471 profiles]

Jacob/ Walter Jacob Mansfield and his 3 wives and their descendants - of Pennsylvania, Coshocton county Ohio and Greene county Indiana - paf file

Rumbarger paf files [1291 pofiles]

Christain Rumbarger Descendants and Ancestors Mrs. Walter A. Rumbarger & Mrs. John L. Merkling 1930-1967 Hand written chart - 35" inches wide and 12.5 feet long I put into paf and want to update descendants - Wirick, justice, Bussards, Norris

I was just given a typewritten folder entitled ”Record of family of Bartholomaus Ramberger (Emigrant Ancestor) and Descendants compiled in 1965 I have not looked at it maybe one day I will.

This is all going to be on Geni.com some way maybe if I live long enough to do it -

Mothers lines are heavy with New England, New Amsterdam heritage, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Ohio. One branch of mother's goes into the Queens and Kings and i was trying to sort out information that I was sent back in the late 1990's and do research on line - but computer failures from 1997 and household sickness has prevented me from completing it - lack of funds for paid sites also.

Dads lines are of the south, Kentucky and Virginia, and he has 2 branches of New Amsterdam Ancestry.

No genealogy is worth its salt if it is not documented, annotated in some manner - any genealogy that is not documented and annotated is not to be taken for fact - for that to happen there has to be documentation for a greater share of the dates, places and facts given within - it will not be accepted by linage societies unless fully documented to their standards.

I have researched my stepdaughter's and her husband lines: Schrimsher, Reed, Kistler, Kline/Cline, Richards, Green, Seese and many more and have PAF files on them -

MY REASON for joining GENI was to preserve my genealogical research - to recover from the many computer failures since 1997 - to salvage what I have to clean up what I have - and so that in case of another computer failure i have material else where other than poor back-ups etc. and that others have access to what I have collected over the years and the material others have shared with me - I lost my dearest genealogical companion in genealogical researching - Charles L. Edingon my mothers double cousin on 24 Mar. 1999 he done all the "leg work' of interviewing cousins and courthouse material in Greene county Indiana

I have been working almost 24/7 till 2, 3 and 4 in the morning in putting what I have to date into my Geni file - whether anyone appreciates any of it I do not know - why I am really doing it I do not understand - but it keeps me going - keeps me alert...maybe one day my children will want it appreciate it...

I have tried guard , protect, preserve and document my heritage I am not into it to the great ancestor hunt to seek out the "royalty", the "famous" , the "wealthy' and connect to them. There is no one in the my near direct line that is wealthy, famous or rich... they were just farmers the salt of the earth those that made America, those who fought to preserve her freedom...

Since 2004 I have belonged to an internet class that is free to gain a professional genealogical certificate and not completed it - because of household sickness, computer failures and trying to play catch-up. I can access sources to complete my tree and document it so i have been trying to do that.

over the years I have given my research away for free - - or just from the basic cost of Xeroxing it and mailing cost back when I had no access to internet - - now its given away freely through my websites and through GEDCOMs via e-mail....

I consider my self considerable knowledgeable in Greene county Indiana ancestry of all Surnames; and for the Surname knowledge database is Emery, Hardesty, Vandeventer, Dye, Edington - no one is an "Expert" as we all continue to learn and gain knowledge through our research.

Maybe I have the wrong since of values - like I said before I am not out to rack up the greatest number of ancestors, I am not seeking out the famous or the royalty etc. i have gotten some of my ancestors on the so called 'silver platter' handed to me but i have had to dig for the documentation - - dad's lines were the hardest to come by it took work to come up with since they were of the dreaded Kentucky migration. when I started on my trek in genealogy I was told if you could get through Kentucky you would possibly have it made which I have found to be so true Kentucky Ancestry is the hardest to archive to document to gather.

Back in 1994/5 I rescued the Stahl Genealogy from out between a bunch of reading books at a yard sale which if did not sell was destined for a nearby garbage dumpster and same with the one Overmyer genealogy book at an auction. they were of culver people I grew-up with, went to school with. and were connected to the lake Maxinkuckee history I am doing.

My step-daughter (along with her dad) weaseled me into researching her ancestry for free and her father was no help as he really had offered my services without asking me.

The other lines of Reichard, Barron, justice, Buzzard, McComb, Wirick and Rumbarger I done out of respect to an elderly lady the mother & mother-in-law of the friends i lived with - when she asked she had an old yellowed piece of paper which she handed me and asked me to "fill in the blanks if I could" but as she did so she paused with it long enough over a lighted candle which started to scorch it and was near on fire when I rescued it with the remark "that was one way to get rid of your ancestors'.

==The Sabotage Tree - Historic Spanish Texas line==

Out of curiosity I ran a relation check on several profiles of this sabotage tree – “Historic Spanish Texas line” and come up with distant connections of 9th cousin 13 times removed.;

  • 12th cousin 10 times removed;
  • 13th cousin 9 times removed;
  • 14th cousin 8 times removed; and
  • 16th cousin 6 times removed

they are listed below lastly - and I have had GENI users asking for collaboration on my other lines especially the Cheney and Dye ancestry and a few others with the same distance relationships

When I offered help for “untangling the sabotaged tree” of a person called Huessin - I had no intention of deleting profiles - this would of been up to the owners of the profiles “instead after merging profiles began - bogus names were put in - this person confided that he also had accounts under the names of“

  • el rambo
  • lindo garico
  • Rambo
  • john Rambo
  • plus many others before and after

At the time on a discussion board he was bantering with ex-curator Mauritz Preller and accusing and ranting on about how his tree had been maligned by curators and GENI users and that his documents, documentation, photos etc. had been confiscated by these people and In reality with holding 5 or more accounts for the same family lines at the same time he was doing it himself.

And later somehow Huessin later became Jose Ramon by a quote he has made in a discussion “ First I invited you when our tree was in the process to be erased and you said u where gonna help”

I feel that this person conned me and thought he could use me to carry out his scheme of sabotage - I had no intention of deleting profiles only merging and untangling the “Charlotte’s Web” that this person created himself by creating multiple accounts listed above and these were names attached to profiles came up often while merging the historic Spanish tree together there were 2, 3, 4 profiles of the same person/profiles and thus making duplicate branches

Later more GENI user names popped up that had all the earmarks of being accounts to possibly sabotaging the tree these went back into being established in 2009.

Also one GENI user David Prins who is a GENUINE USER had profiles that came up to be matches and were merged in and those profiles were tampered with and sabotaged “as well as new profiles I made with no other owner/user involved ended up being confiscated“ bogus names entered and access to them locked .

As I merged each profile I ran “Google” searches on the names - to try verify and authentic that it was a legal and not a bogus and to verify the correct spelling and to find dates and places if at all possible to add credence to the profile just other than the name “I came across several good research sites - in which it seemed that that data came from”

http://www.somosprimos.com/inclan/inclan.htm

http://www.raullongoria.net/Genealogy/FamilyTree/b46.html#P1231

http://www.vsalgs.org/stnemgenealogy/surnames.html

http://www.hispanicgs.com/igg.html

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook = The Handbook of Texas Online is a multidisciplinary encyclopedia of Texas history, geography, and culture sponsored by the Texas State Historical Association

My connections -

1 Josá Apolonio Ramá Rivera is your 16th cousin 6 times removed. You --> Alvin Robert McKee your father --> James Garfield 'Jim' McKee his father --> Martha Ann Ann Dye his mother --> George Dye her father --> John Ely Dye his father --> John A. Dey (Dye) his father --> Margaret Salter Dey (Anderson) his mother --> Margaret Anderson (Salter) her mother --> Sarah Salter (Bowne) her mother --> Lydia Mary Bowne (Holmes) her mother --> Catherine Holmes (Hyde) her mother --> Gilbert Hyde her father --> Eleanore Hyde his mother --> John Molyneaux her father --> Sir Richard Molyneux, Sheriff his father --> Sir William Molyneux of Sefton his father --> Ann Dutton his mother --> Anne Margaret Dutton (Tuchet) her mother --> Eleanor Tuchet (de Holland), Baroness Audley her mother --> Constance Plantagenet, Countess of Gloucester her mother --> Isabella of Castile, Duchess consort of York her mother --> Pedro I el Cruel, rey de Castilla y Leán her father --> Alfonso XI el Justo, rey de Castilla y Leán his father --> Sancho Alfonso, conde de Alburquerque his son --> Leonor de Castilla his daughter --> Leonor de Castilla y Alburquerque her daughter --> Beatriz Manrique de Lara y Castilla her daughter --> Francisco Fernández de Velasco her son --> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco his son --> Jose Diego de Tremino de Velasco his son --> Capt Josá Diego de Tremiáno de Alcozer his son --> Maria Isabel de Trevián y Quintanilla his daughter --> Juana de Trevino Quintanilla y Salazar her daughter --> Jose (Joseph) de Morales y Ramon, Sgt Major her son --> Joseph Ramon de Morales y Gutierrez, Capt. his son --> Alcalde Francisco (Francisco) Ramon de Morales his son --> Joseph Yldefonso Zepeda Ramon his son --> Jose Francisco (Francisco Javier ) Ramon, I his son --> Joseph Antonio Ramon his son --> Josá Apolonio Ramán Rivera his son

2 Marcos Alonso Trevino De La Garza Falcon, Capitan is your 9th cousin 13 times removed. You --> Alvin Robert McKee your father --> James Garfield 'Jim' McKee his father --> Martha Ann Ann Dye his mother --> George Dye her father --> John Ely Dye his father --> John A. Dey (Dye) his father --> Margaret Salter Dey (Anderson) his mother --> Margaret Anderson (Salter) her mother --> Sarah Salter (Bowne) her mother --> Lydia Mary Bowne (Holmes) her mother --> Catherine Holmes (Hyde) her mother -->

Hyde her father  --> Eleanore Hyde his mother  --> John Molyneaux her father  --> Sir Richard Molyneux, Sheriff his father  --> 

Sir William Molyneux of Sefton his father --> Ann Dutton his mother --> Anne Margaret Dutton (Tuchet) her mother -->

Eleanor Tuchet (de Holland), Baroness Audley her mother  --> Constance Plantagenet, Countess of Gloucester her mother  --> 

Isabella of Castile, Duchess consort of York her mother --> Pedro I el Cruel, rey de Castilla y Leán her father --> Alfonso XI el Justo Rey de Castilla y Leán his father --> Sancho Alfonso, conde de Alburquerque his son --> Leonor de Castilla his daughter --> Leonor de Castilla y Alburquerque her daughter --> Beatriz Manrique de Lara y Castilla her daughter --> Francisco Fernández de Velasco her son --> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco his son --> Jose Diego de Tremino de Velasco his son --> Capt Josá Diego de Tremián de Alcozer his son --> Juana Trevián de Quintanila his daughter --> Marcos Alonso Trevino De La Garza Falcon, Capitan her son

3 Juana Flores de ábrego Fernández de Castro is your 12th cousin 10 times removed. You --> Alvin Robert McKee your father --> James Garfield 'Jim' McKee his father --> Martha Ann Ann Dye his mother --> George Dye her father --> John Ely Dye his father --> John A. Dey (Dye) his father --> Margaret Salter Dey (Anderson) his mother --> Margaret Anderson (Salter) her mother --> Sarah Salter (Bowne) her mother --> Lydia Mary Bowne (Holmes) her mother --> Catherine Holmes (Hyde) her mother --> Gilbert Hyde her father --> Eleanore Hyde his mother --> John Molyneaux her father --> Sir Richard Molyneux, Sheriff his father --> Sir William Molyneux of Sefton his father --> Ann Dutton his mother --> Anne Margaret Dutton (Tuchet) her mother --> Eleanor Tuchet (de Holland), Baroness Audley her mother -->

Constance Plantagenet, Countess of Gloucester her mother  --> Isabella of Castile, Duchess consort of York her mother  --> 

Pedro I el Cruel, rey de Castilla y Leán her father --> Alfonso XI el Justo, rey de Castilla y Leán his father --> Sancho Alfonso, conde de Alburquerque his son --> Leonor de Castilla his daughter --> Leonor de Castilla y Alburquerque her daughter --> Beatriz Manrique de Lara y Castilla her daughter --> Francisco Fernández de Velasco her son --> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco his son --> Jose Diego de Tremino de Velasco his son --> Capt Josá Diego de Tremián de Alcozer his son --> Maria Isabel de Trevián y Quintanilla his daughter --> Juliana QUINTANILLA FARIAS (de Trevián de Quintanilla) her daughter --> Juana De Farias De Quintanilla her daughter --> Bernardo Flores Flores de ábrego (De Abrego) her son --> Juana Flores de ábrego Fernández de Castro his daughter

4 Ana Mará Guerra Flores is your 13th cousin 9 times removed You --> Alvin Robert McKee your father --> James Garfield 'Jim' McKee his father --> Martha Ann Ann Dye his mother --> George Dye her father --> John Ely Dye his father --> John A. Dey (Dye) his father --> Margaret Salter Dey (Anderson) his mother --> Margaret Anderson (Salter) her mother --> Sarah Salter (Bowne) her mother --> Lydia Mary Bowne (Holmes) her mother --> Catherine Holmes (Hyde) her mother --> Gilbert Hyde her father --> Eleanore Hyde his mother --> John Molyneaux her father --> Sir Richard Molyneux, Sheriff his father --> Sir William Molyneux of Sefton his father --> Ann Dutton his mother --> Anne Margaret Dutton (Tuchet) her mother --> Eleanor Tuchet (de Holland), Baroness Audley her mother --> Constance Plantagenet, Countess of Gloucester her mother --> Isabella of Castile, Duchess consort of York her mother --> Pedro I el Cruel, rey de Castilla y Leán her father --> Alfonso XI el Justo, rey de Castilla y Leán his father --> Sancho Alfonso, conde de Alburquerque his son --> Leonor de Castilla his daughter --> Leonor de Castilla y Alburquerque her daughter --> Beatriz Manrique de Lara y Castilla her daughter --> Francisco Fernández de Velasco her son -->

Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco his son  --> Jose Diego de Tremino de Velasco his son  --> 

Capt Josá Diego de Tremián de Alcozer his son --> Maria Isabel de Trevián y Quintanilla his daughter --> Juliana QUINTANILLA FARIAS (de Trevián de Quintanilla) her daughter --> Juana De Farias De Quintanilla her daughter --> Bernardo Flores Flores de ábrego (De Abrego) her son --> Juana Flores de ábrego Fernández de Castro his daughter --> Ana Mará Guerra Flores her daughter

5 Jose Gregorio Vela is your 14th cousin 8 times removed. You --> Alvin Robert McKee your father --> James Garfield 'Jim' McKee his father --> Martha Ann Ann Dye his mother --> George Dye her father --> John Ely Dye his father --> John A. Dey (Dye) his father --> Margaret Salter Dey (Anderson) his mother --> Margaret Anderson (Salter) her mother --> Sarah Salter (Bowne) her mother --> Lydia Mary Bowne (Holmes) her mother --> Catherine Holmes (Hyde) her mother --> Gilbert Hyde her father --> Eleanore Hyde his mother --> John Molyneaux her father --> Sir Richard Molyneux, Sheriff his father --> Sir William Molyneux of Sefton his father --> Ann Dutton his mother --> Anne Margaret Dutton (Tuchet) her mother --> Eleanor Tuchet (de Holland), Baroness Audley her mother --> Constance Plantagenet, Countess of Gloucester her mother --> Isabella of Castile, Duchess consort of York her mother --> Pedro I el Cruel, rey de Castilla y Leán her father --> Alfonso XI el Justo, rey de Castilla y Leán his father --> Sancho Alfonso, conde de Alburquerque his son --> Leonor de Castilla his daughter --> Leonor de Castilla y Alburquerque her daughter --> Beatriz Manrique de Lara y Castilla her daughter --> Francisco Fernández de Velasco her son --> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco his son -->

Jose Diego de Tremino de Velasco his son  --> Capt Josá Diego de Tremiáno de Alcozer his son  --> 

Capt Josá Diego de Tremián de Alcozer his son --> Juana Trevián de Quintanilla his daughter --> Marcos Alonso Trevino De La Garza Falcon, Capitan her son --> Clara de Treviáno Renterá his daughter --> Isabel DeLara-Gutierrez her daughter --> Maria Antonia Garcia her daughter --> Jose Nicodemus Vela her son --> Jose Gregorio Vela his son

I have tried to clean the above up something has went haywire on GENI to cause the transcription errors as I copied and pasted in the lineages - I will have to go back and re-calculate the relationships to make it prefect.

As for being more a part of GENI than a pro I am not sure but If my work, my expertise in my ancestry and the work have done on these lines since 1976 - is not qualifications enough - I am just not a good "Brown-noser" as you would call it - I do my work - they way I would expect a paid Professional Genealogist to do it - presenting me with documentation, facts, and hints.

At least if I ever get a majority of my material into GENI I will feel that I have been a help to others -and it is not setting on my book self - one GENI user who is a curator at one time accused my of using GENI as a storage file - well is that not what GENI is? GENI is reaping the benefits on my research since 1976 - - I know I have allowed several in as collaborators and family group within the last month as they find my profiles and connect to the material I have entered in thus far.

I have started to try and trace the "Ancestry" of my house its been in the Burns name since 1944 - and I know its at least 112 years old - here is some interesting facts on it and some history and links from here where trying to raise funds for it . I know I am fighting a loosing battle trying to save it but I can't help but try even if I fail at it.

MY GENI PET PEEVE

The whiners, complainers, about being merge into the "BIG TREE" - that is and what GENi's goals was, has been and is.

Like I was told back in November 2009 by a customer representative who I did not catch the name of - "If I did n not like it I could pack up my bags, leave GENI and close my account out.

I know GENI has been less than prefect, changed rules, and membership criteria etc. in mid stream but it is there company, we are only the users, subscribers, and some of us even PAY them to enter our data, and they in essence OWN EVEN OUR PROfILE NOT US - once we put our data on (in) to GENI we no longer own it nor do we control it control it - we might think we do but we do not.

Above all else I am tired of the 'Sole ownership" theory that some have about their ancestors - NONE Of us has "Exclusive ownership" of our ancestors - there is not one of us that is a single child from our 1st ancestor down to our last ancestor some lines grant it may only have a single child for generations -but we "All are related" in some way shape or form.

I have to much work to back out of GENI - but you can bet I have my copy on my computer, besides other places that where I have placed it in the past and in the future - and shared it in the past either by snail-mail or through e-mail the last 36 years

Those who are unwilling to share, to compromise are the losers not those who are willing to share, to bend to grow their family tree by claiming "sole ownership" and felling threatened by merging. .