Elizabeth Burgess

Elizabeth (Pye) Burgess (abt. 1570 - 1626)

• Born about 1570 in Boddinicke, Cornwall, England
• Daughter of Anthony Pye and Constance (Pound) Pye
• Sister of John Pye, Thomas Pye, Otwell Pye, Nathaniel Pye, Margaret (Pye) Catcher, Mary (Pye) Burgess [half], Jane (Pye) Phippen and Anthony Pye
• Wife of Thomas (Burges) Burgess II — married 27 Nov 1598 [location unknown]
• Mother of Daniel Burgess, Robert Burges, Anne Burgess, Honour Burgess, John Burges and Henry Burges
• Died 20 Jun 1626 in Truro, Cornwall, England

Disputed Origins

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pye-4

Elizabeth Pye was born about 1572 in Truro, Cornwall, England[1]

Research note

Robert, son of Tho Burgesse of Truro and Elizabeth Pye was born in 1602.[2] He was the eldest son, suggesting that Elizabeth cannot have been born much after 1585. Elizabeth had 13 children named at the 1620 visitation which suggests a date of birth not before 1570. The birthdate originally on the profile, 1572, looks sound.

Her purported mother, Elizabeth Trethewey, had a full brother, John, who was 26 at the same visitation. [3] Elizabeth was already married at the visitation. Given the age of her eldest brother Elizabeth Trethewy cannot have been born before 1580. Elizabeth Trethewy cannot have been mother of Elizabeth Pye.

We need to confirm which mother was hers.

Biography

2. Thomas2 BURGESS , born abt 1570 in Truro, Cornwall, England; died 22 Apr 1626 in Truro, Cornwall, England; buried 7 May 1626 in Truro, Cornwall, England, son of 4. Thomas Burgess and 5. Honor (Sidnam) Burgess.  ::He married on 27 Nov 1598 3. Elizabeth Pye ((---)) Burgess , born abt 1570 in Boddinicke, Cornwall, England, daughter of 6. Anthony Pye and 7. Constance (Pound) Pye.

ref: BURGES, Thomas I (-d.1623), of Truro, Cornw.

Elizabeth Pye was born about 1572 in Truro, Cornwall, England[1] (better citation needed)

Sources
↑ Yates Publishing, U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004

'2. Thomas2 BURGESS , born abt 1570 in Truro, Cornwall, England; died 22 Apr 1626 in Truro, Cornwall, England; buried 7 May 1626 in Truro, Cornwall, England, son of 4. Thomas Burgess and 5. Honor (Sidnam) Burgess.

He married on 27 Nov 1598 3. Elizabeth Pye ((---)) Burgess , born abt 1570 in Boddinicke, Cornwall, England, daughter of 6. Anthony Pye and 7. Constance (Pound) Pye.

notes

From http://pcez.com/~bigshoe/du/Pery/burges.html

Most online genealogies of this family go back to Truro, Cornwall; but they are incorrect:

"...Current wisdom is that (4770) Thomas Burgess was the son of Thomas Burgess Jr. of Truro, Cornwall, and his wife Elizabeth Pye. He was the son of Thomas Burgess and Honour Sydenham (usually spelled Sidnam in America) and the grandson of Ellis Burgess and Catherine Corniche. All of this comes from the Heralds Visitation of Cornwall in 1620 and various Burgess, Sydenham and other wills. If so his father was the mayor of Truro and either his father, or grandfather was a member of Parliament for Truro in the first and last Parliaments of James I (Puritan parliaments). There is a serious, but not necessarily fatal flaw in this. The records of the Church of St. Mary Magdalen in Truro (where George Phippen was rector and the Burgesses worshiped) all survive. They do list the birth of a Thomas Burgess at about the correct time to Thomas Burgess Jr. and Elizabeth Pye. The problem is that they also list the death of a Thomas Burgess as an infant, and in the will of Thomas Burgess Jr. he mentions a son Thomas as a minor (too young to be our Thomas).

"The only hope for this line is that the death notice at St. Mary's does not call the father of the infant "Thomas Burgess Jr." as he is called in all the other parts of the record, families do use a name twice and our Thomas may have already married, or left the country by this time. Joe Burgess argues that the Truro family was literate (the elder Thomas signs his will) and Thomas Burgess of Sandwich signs his name with the letter "T" as his mark, and that makes this connection unlikely....

--Dean Burgess, 29 August 2000 c/o http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=glencoe&i...

"...in the will of the latter Thomas [husb. of Eliz. Pye, of Truro], written 22 April 1626, his son Thomas was listed last of six sons who had not yet "accomplished the age of one and twenty," suggesting that he was the youngest, born probably not much before 1613 and quite likely several years later. This conclusion was supported by the 1620 Visitation of Truro, listing no Thomas among the children of Thomas and Elizabeth (Pye) Burgess."

-- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thesays/joan/pafn14.htm

From http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=glencoe&i...

POSTING TO BURGESS ARCHIVES by AlRose509_AT_aol.com:

Following e-mail from Dean Burgess Here is where the Thomas Burgess debate now stands.

A Thomas Burgess did marry Dorothy Waynes, but Paul Burgess, who will probably also reply to you, hired a British genealogist to trace this marriage record and the couple had no children. We know Dorothy Burgess was not a Waynes. While I was in Cornwall I traced all of the children of the Rev. George Phippen (all of the records still exist) and found he had no daughter named Dorothy. The origin of this name as her maiden name comes from the fact that Thomas Burgess of Truro (widely believed to be Thomas of Sandwich MA's father) calls George Phippen his "brother-in-law" in his will. Records show he was his brother-in-law, but that was because George Phippen married, as his second wife, Thomas Burgess's wife's sister.Thomas's wife was Elizabeth Pye. We know Dorothy Burgess was not a Phippen.

• http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thesays/joan/histories/bur...
• http://www.techstardirect.com/burgess/treerpt80817.pdf
• Visitation for Cornwall in 1620. Page 181. Archive.Org Page 26. Archive.Org

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