Mattfried [II] von Eifelgau, Graf von Eifelgau (c.820 - c.882) MP

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Nicknames: "Matfrède", "Matfried", "Matfrid II", "Graf von Eifelgau"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Eifel, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
Death: Died in Eifel, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
Occupation: Graf von Eifelgau
Managed by: David Prins
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About Mattfried [II] von Eifelgau, Graf von Eifelgau

Matfrid II (Manfred VI), Graf von Eifelgau- Son of - Matfrid I (Manfred V), Graf von Eifelgau-Orleans

It took a while and many hours of frustration, prayer and persistence. Many times you want to throw your hands up in the air and just quit but that is when 'Passion' takes over. Genealogy, is mainly a jigsaw puzzle to be solved by logical and deductive reasoning.

After spending the past two weeks cross referencing every suggested, possible and/or logical relation, sifting historical data and crunching all the numbers... It finally became apparent, Mattfrid II, Graf von Eifelgau-Orleans was the only logical person to be the father of Mattfrid I, von Wied.

Matfried III, von Wied (Engersgau, 1093-1123), had, yet another road block, in this line. He (Matfrid III) had, from multiple sources, three fathers to chose from: [A] Ruckerus von Wied; [B] Wigger II von Engersgau; [C] Richwin IV, von Wied.

Having dealt with 'Ruckerus' and deduced that, while he could be father, it was more likely,Richwin III, was his father. Then in the 'Medieval Germany: An Encyclopedia' (ref. 2b), it made the claim Mattfried III ( von Wied, also Engersgau ) was the son of Wigger II von Engersgau- to justify the 'Engersgau' surname. It also, 'suggested' (Pg. 824) that 'He' (Mattfried III) was related to the Matfrid's (d'Orleans) but through a matrilineal line.

This is ruled out, with all the evidence compiled, that it's not only likely but logical that Mattfried III (von Wied-Engersgau) was related to the Matfrid's (d'Orleans) but instead through the patrilinal line.

Matfrid I, von Wied and Matfrid III von Eifelgau (d'Orleans) dates are very similar.

Wikapedia states: "The third Matfrid, presumed son of the second, was active in the period 867 to 878" (ref. 1)

In the, 'Medieval Germany: An Encyclopedia', it states: "Matfrid III, the son of Matfrid II, flourished 867-878 as a count in Lotharingia and also in Eifelgau. He appears to have property in the part of Lothar II's realm that went to Charles the Bald in 870, probably in the Waberngau and in the Verduner Gau. In 877, with other magnates he was appointed at Queirzy as counselor to Charle's son, as often as he should be in the Meuse region. Matfrid III followed his father as lay abbot St. Vaast, and died about 883." (ref. 2b)

Matfrid I, von Wied is cited to have been born between 850-860 and that he died around 886 that is only a three year difference between both Matfrid's date of death. Neither Matrfrid (in question) has a specific or set date for their death. Due to the lack of information and/or evidence, there's really not a good reason, to believe they are or were different people.

(Well, unless your a descendant of the Hapsburg's :P)
 
Reference 'Alternative Genealogy' Below

Matfrid I, Matfrid II d'Orleans and Matfrid von Eifelgau (Wied) Descendant Chart

1) Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siecle): Essai d'anthropologie sociale (Histoire ancienne et medievale) (French Edition)

By Regine Le Jan

LINK:

http://books.google.com/books?id=v8vwhSwhWogC&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=Matfrid+von+Eifel&source=bl&ots=SZxCf1Hm7s&sig=1BxDxTiZOL2vngYLkw_1qTlkDmw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q3-pUaD2HIrlyAGQ64HABw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=Matfrid%20von%20Eifel&f=false

Reference Sources

1a) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/949V-C6X : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Matfrid II von Eifelgau Graf.

2a) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3M72-QHM : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Mattfried Graf /VonEifelgau/.

3a) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/393M-GNH : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Matfried II /de Orleans/ * Graf im Eifelgau & Comte de Orleans.

Alternative Genealogy

( Mattfried I, Graf von Wied - Son of - Mattfried II, Comte d'Orleans - Son of - Mattfried I, Comte d'Orleans )

1b) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3M72-DQH : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Mattfried I /VonWied/.

2b) Medieval Germany: An Encyclopedia

edited by John M. Jeep

LINK:

http://books.google.com/books?id=0Sdo1gNF4D8C&pg=PA1497&lpg=PA1497&dq=matfrid+III.+of+orleans&source=bl&ots=XlPqjnOKLf&sig=cfpqg_YVxnqBaFUvTGj-UpQo66A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V3uqUej6C9DoiwKGs4DYBQ&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=matfrid%20III.%20of%20orleans&f=false

3b) Genealogy Online / Stamboom Kyle Wilempse : Wigger Ii von Engersgouw

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Mattfried II, Graf von Eifelgau's Timeline

820
820
Eifel, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
835
835
Age 15
Metz, Lorraine, France
845
845
Age 25
Germany
850
850
Age 30
Germany
861
861
Age 41
Metz, France
882
882
Age 62
Eifel, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
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