Thüringbert, count in Wormsgau and Rheingau

"THURINGBERT (-Jun 770 or after). "Cancor et Angila conjux mea" donated property "in illa marcha de Bisistat…de dote Angilæ" [Birstatt] to Lorsch by charter dated 1 Jun 770, signed by "Thurincberti fratris ipsius Cancronis et Heimerici filii sui"[791]. The Chronicon Laureshamense records "Thurincberti fratris ipsius Cancronis" as signatory of the donation dated 1 Jun 770 by "comitis Cancronis et uxoris eius Angila"[792]. "Turincbertus" donated property to Lorsch by charter dated 1 Nov 767 subscribed by "Heimerici comitis"[793]. Grundherr im Rheingau und Wormsgau. "Turincbertus et filius meus Rotbertus" donated property "in pago Rinensi in villa…Birstat" to Lorsch by charter dated Jun 770[794]. m ---. The name of Thuringbert's wife is not known."

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Broder til Rupert Graf im Oberrheingau (d. eft. 782), der også hører til mine aner.

Leo: Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1961 9.

Leo: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: II 10.

Robert "le Fort" (Rotbertus Fortis, Robert "the Strong")..........

Probable father: Robert, d. before 19 February 834, count in Wormsgau.

Probable mother: Waldrade (Wialdrut), living 19 February 834....

He was evidently the count Robert whose son Robert donated two manses in Mettenheim in 8367 [Codex Lauresh., 2: 306-7 (#1826), see above].

Attempts at further identification of this Robert suffer from the possibility of confusing different men with the same name. On 8 March 812, a count Rotbertus appears with several other counts in a court record of Charlemagne [MGH DD KdG, 289 (#216)]. ...

The cartulary of Lorsch shows a count Robert in Wormsgau on 12 June 795 ["... ego Rubertus comes ...", Codex Lauresh., 2: 236 (#1541)] and in Rheingau on 25 March 804 ["... signum Rutperti comitis, ..." ibid., 1: 318 (#222)] and on 20 February 807 ["... signum Rutperti comitis..." ibid., 1: 319 (#224)].

Glöckner would identify him as Robert "II" and make him the father of Robert "III" (with no direct evidence for the affiliation). 

This Robert "II" would then be identified by Glöckner as "probably" the same as the Robert son of Turimbert who appears in the Lorsch cartulary in 769770 ["... ego Turinebertus, & filius meus Ruotpertus, ..." ibid., 1: 285 (#168)].

Although Turimbert does not have a title in the documents in which he appears, and Robert son of Turimbert also appears without a title,

Turincbert was the son of a count Robert "I", whose son Cancor and widow Williswinte founded Lorsch in 764 [see Glöckner (1936), 303-5; Codex Lauresh., 1: 2], which is why Glöckner would identify Turimbert's son as Robert "II" [Gl%C3%B6ckner (1936), 305].

On the other hand, Siegwart does not accept the identification of Robert "II" with Robert son of Turimbert, and instead makes Robert "II" the son of a Robert "I" (different from the Robert "I" of Glöckner), son of count Hnabi who was the maternal grandfather of Hildegard, wife of Charlemagne [Siegwart (1958), 157]

Chaume regarded the Robert "II" and "III" of Glöckner as a single count Robert of Rheingau (fl. 795-834, whose son Robert, fl. 836-7, he regarded as distinct from Robert le Fort), in turn a conjectured son of count Heimrich, son of count Cancor, son of count Robert and Williswinte [Chaume (1925), 537 (table #5)]. .... The cartulary of Lorsch shows a count Robert in Wormsgau on 12 June 795 ["... ego Rubertus comes ...", Codex Lauresh., 2: 236 (#1541)] and in Rheingau on 25 March 804 ["... signum Rutperti comitis, ..." ibid., 1: 318 (#222)] and on 20 February 807 ["... signum Rutperti comitis..." ibid., 1: 319 (#224)].

Glöckner would identify him as Robert "II" and make him the father of Robert "III" (with no direct evidence for the affiliation). 

This Robert "II" would then be identified by Glöckner as "probably" the same as the Robert son of Turimbert who appears in the Lorsch cartulary in 769770 ["... ego Turinebertus, & filius meus Ruotpertus, ..." ibid., 1: 285 (#168)].

Although Turimbert does not have a title in the documents in which he appears, and Robert son of Turimbert also appears without a title,

Turincbert was the son of a count Robert "I", whose son Cancor and widow Williswinte founded Lorsch in 764 [see Glöckner (1936), 303-5; Codex Lauresh., 1: 2], which is why Glöckner would identify Turimbert's son as Robert "II" [Gl%C3%B6ckner (1936), 305].

On the other hand, Siegwart does not accept the identification of Robert "II" with Robert son of Turimbert, and instead makes Robert "II" the son of a Robert "I" (different from the Robert "I" of Glöckner), son of count Hnabi who was the maternal grandfather of Hildegard, wife of Charlemagne [Siegwart (1958), 157]

Chaume regarded the Robert "II" and "III" of Glöckner as a single count Robert of Rheingau (fl. 795-834, whose son Robert, fl. 836-7, he regarded as distinct from Robert le Fort), in turn a conjectured son of count Heimrich, son of count Cancor, son of count Robert and Williswinte [Chaume (1925), 537 (table #5)]. ....