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Petronille (Pernel) de Grandmesnil

Nicknames: "Petronille", "Petronella", "Petronilla", "Péronille", "Pernel", "Pernelle"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Leicestershire, England
Death: Died in Leicestershire, England
Place of Burial: Abbey, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Guillaume de Grandmesnil, Heir of the honour of Grandmesnil and Alice de Beaumont
Wife of Robert de Beaumont, Third Earl of Leicester
Mother of Margaret FitzPernel de Beaumont, of Groby; Roger de Breteuil, Bishop of St. Andrews; Amicia de Beaumont, Countess of Leicester; Robert "Fitz-Parnell" de Breteuil, 4th Earl of Leicester; Hawise de Beaumont, [A Nun] and 2 others

Occupation: at least 7 children
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About Petronille (Pernel) de Grandmesnil

Pedigree Resource File Ver a la persona en el modo de cuadro genealógico

name:

Petronella /de Grandmesnil/


sexo: female

nacimiento: aproximadamente 1130

                      Leicestershire, England 

defunción: 1 April 1212

                    Leicestershire, England 

matrimonio: 1155

Padres

Padre: Hugh /de Grandmesnil/ Baron of Hinckley


madre: Alice /de Beaumont/


Matrimonios (1)

cónyuge: Robert III /de Beaumont/ 3rd Earl of Leicester


matrimonio: 1155

Ocultar hijos (5)

hijo 1:

Amice /de Beaumont/ sexo: female nacimiento: aproximadamente 1147

                      Leicestershire, England 

defunción: 3 September 1215

hijo 2:

Robert IV /de Beaumont/ 4th Earl of Leicester sexo: male nacimiento: aproximadamente 1150

                      Leicestershire, England 

defunción: 21 October 1204

                     Leicestershire, England 

entierro: Leicester Abbey, Leicestershire, England

hijo 3:

Margaret /de Beaumont/ sexo: female nacimiento: 1154

                      Leicestershire, England 

defunción: 12 January 1234 / 1235

                    England 

hijo 4:

William /de Hamilton/ Sir sexo: male nacimiento: aproximadamente 1156

                     Hamilton, Barkby Thorpe, Leicestershire, England 

defunción:

hijo 5:

Roger /de Beaumont/ Bishop of St Andrews sexo: male nacimiento: aproximadamente 1160 defunción:

Fuentes (3) 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton {1968} 2. Ancestral Roots of Certain Americian Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr 3. Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; GE Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd

Cita de este registro

"Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/STFD-8YL : accessed 2013-08-31), entry for Petronella /de Grandmesnil/. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The question of Pernel's parentage has been long debated, and conflicting accounts exist (as seen by the bolded text, below).

The tree here will be adjusted to fit the model proposed by Chris Phillips (below) based upon the Cartulary of St-Evroult.

From http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/leicester.shtml (Chris Phillips)

Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 7: Leicester

Volume 7, page 532: [Robert, Earl of Leicester (d. 1190)] m., before 1155-1159, Pernel (Petronilla), heiress of the Norman honour of Grandmesnil, great-granddaughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil, the Domesday tenant, but her ancestry has not been discovered. (h) Note h: Hugh de Grandmesnil, the Domesday tenant, had five sons - Robert, William, Hugh, Ives and Aubrey ... Robert, the eldest son, inherited the Norman lands which are later found in Robert FitzPernel's hands [i.e. Robert, Earl of Leicester (d. 1204), the son of Pernel]. He m., 1stly, Agnes, da. of Ranulph de Bayeux; 2ndly, Emma, da. of Robert d'Estouteville; and, 3rdly, Lucy, da. of Savary FitzCana (Orderic, vol. iii, p. 359). ... if she [Pernel] inherited the Norman lands she would in all probability be a daughter of a son of Hugh's son Robert. Hugh's father and son are both called Robert, and if this alternating nomenclature - a very usual system - was continued, a son of Robert the younger would be named Hugh. This is the name given to Pernel's father in the foundation narrative of Leicester Abbey, and although the story told there is fictitious ... it is possible that the writer may have had before him a document such as a list of obits giving the authentic name. It is not claimed that this suggested descent is more than speculative.

In fact, Pernel's father was called William, as shown by a charter for St-Evroult discovered by David Crouch [The Beaumont Twins, p.91, citing the Cartulary of St-Evroult, ii, fo 33v]. However, the argument that her grandfather is likely to have been Robert, the eldest son of Hugh de Grandmesnil, still seems sound. To some extent it is supported by the following evidence.

In 1157, Henry II confirmed gifts made to the hospital of Falaise by William de Grentmesnil and others [Cal. Docs France, no 1157]. By an undated charter (perhaps from 1160 or later), one Beatrix de Rye gave land to the abbey of St Jean of Falaise, for the well-being of her mother Emma and of her brother William de Grentemesnil [Lechaude d'Anisy, Extrait des Chartes ... dans les archives du Calvados, vol.1, p.232, no 9 (1834)]. It seems likely that this Beatrix was a daughter of Robert de Grandmesnil by his second wife, Emma d'Estouteville, particularly as the name Beatrix occurs in the Estouteville family, and was possibly borne by Emma's mother [C.T. Clay, ed., Early Yorkshire Charters, vol.9, p.2 (1952)]. If so, this would confirm that Robert also had a son William, who would probably be Pernel's father.

Note that K.S.B. Keats-Rohan [Domesday People I, p.263 (1999)] states that Pernel's father William was the son of Robert by Emma d'Estouteville, but no evidence is cited for the relationship.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm (Charles Cawley)

ROBERT de Beaumont "ès Blanchemains", son of ROBERT de Beaumont Earl of Leicester & his wife Amicie de Gaël (-Acre or Durazzo 31 Aug 1190). Robert of Torigny records the death in 1168 of "Robertus comes Leecestriæ" and the succession of "filium Robertum"[1380]. He succeeded his father in 1168 as Earl of Leicester. He supported Henry "the Young King" in his revolt against his father King Henry II in 1173. The latter retaliated by confiscating Robert's English estates, burning Leicester 28 Jul 1173, and capturing Robert's fortress of Breteuil 25 Sep 1173. Robert was defeated by the king's forces at Fornham near Bury, Suffolk and was captured with his wife. He set out on Crusade in Dec 1190 but died on the return journey[1381]. The Annals of Margan record the death in 1190 of “Robertus comes Leicestriæ”[1382]. Matthew of Paris records the death at Acre in 1191 of "comes Robertus Leycestrensis"[1383]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "31 Aug" of "Robertus comes Legrecestriæ, peregrinus Jerosolimis"[1384].

m (before [1155/59]) PERNEL, daughter and heiress of [HUGUES de Grandmesnil & his wife ---] (-1 Apr 1212). Robert of Torigny records the death in 1168 of "Robertus comes Leecestriæ" and the succession of "filium Robertum" stating that the latter received "sua hereditatem de Gretemesnil" from his wife[1385]. "Robertus filius comitis Legrece" donated property to Notre-Dame de la Trappe for the soul of "uxoris mee Petronille" by charter dated [1153/67][1386]. Pernel is named as great granddaughter of Hugues de Grantmesnil in the [1190/1204] charter of her son Robert FitzPernel to the abbey of St Evroul[1387]. Her father is named Hugh de Grantmesnil in an account of the foundation of Leicester Abbey, but the Complete Peerage casts doubt on the accuracy of this as the same source gives details of her inheritance from him which are clearly incorrect[1388]. Robert de Torigny records that her husband gained the Norman honour of Grantmesnil through his marriage[1389], which suggests that Pernel, as heiress, was descended from the oldest son of Hugues de Grantmesnil senior. It is also possible that she was the daughter of Agnes, daughter of Robert de Grantmesnil. Considering that Orderic Vitalis does not name Hugues (supposed brother of Agnes) although he is so thorough in naming other members of this family, this may be the most likely possibility. Robert son of Parnel, Earl of Leicester, donated property to the abbey of Lire for the soul of Loreta his wife, by charter dated to [1190/1204][1390]. "Petronilla comitissa Leircestrie" confirmed the exchange of land with Nuneaton priory made by "Robertus comes Leircestrie filius meus", who gave land in Belgrave in return for land in Dadlington which had been donated by "sponsus meus Robertus comes…cum filia mea pie memorie Hawis", by charter dated to after 1189[1391]. The Testa de Nevill lists knights who held land from the king in Hertfordshire, dated to [1204/12]: "comitissa de Leicestria" held "Wares"[1392]. The necrology of Lyre monastery records the death "1 Apr" of "Petronilla comitissa Leicestriæ"[1393]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "1 Apr" of "Petronilla comitissa Leycestriæ"[1394].

Earl Robert & his wife had six children:

1. ROBERT de Breteuil "FitzPernel" (-20/21 Oct 1204, bur Leicester Abbey). He succeeded his father in 1190 as Earl of Leicester, while accompanying Richard I King of England on Crusade and was invested as such at Messina in 1191[1395]. He defended the duchy of Normandy against Philippe II King of France during King Richard's imprisonment in Austria, was captured 15 Jun 1194 and remained a prisoner until early 1196[1396]. Steward of England. Robert son of Parnel, Earl of Leicester, donated property to the abbey of Lire for the soul of Loreta his wife, by charter dated to [1190/1204][1397]. The Annales Cambriæ record the death in 1204 of "Robert comes Lerecestriæ"[1398]. The necrology of Lyre monastery records the death "20 Oct" of "Robertus III comes Legrecestriæ"[1399]. m LAURETTE de Briouse, daughter of WILLIAM de Briouse & his wife Mathilde de Saint-Valéry Dame de la Haye (-Hackington 4 Mar [1266 or after]). Robert son of Parnel, Earl of Leicester, donated property to the abbey of Lire for the soul of Loreta his wife, by charter dated to [1190/1204][1400]. Her parentage is confirmed by the Testa de Nevill which includes a writ of King John dated 1212 recording that "Willelmus de Brause" granted "manerium de Taustock" in Devon to "comiti Leycestrie in maritagium cum filia sua"[1401]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in Berkshire, dated 1219, which includes "Laurentia comitissa de Leicestria" holding land "in Hungerford…in hundredo de Launburn"[1402]. She became a recluse at Hackington, near Canterbury, before Feb 1221[1403]. The necrology of Lyre monastery records the death "4 Mar" of "Laureta comitissa"[1404].

2. GUILLAUME de Breteuil (-[1189/90]). A history of the foundation of St Mary´s abbey, Leicester names “Robertum…Willielmum leprosum, secundum…et Galfridum” as the three sons of “Robertus” and his wife “Petronillam filiam Hugonis de Grantmenyl”[1405]. He is named before his brother Robert in charters, the last dated in 1189 at Nuneaton[1406].

3. ROGER de Breteuil "FitzPernel" (-after [1198/1202]). A history of the foundation of St Mary´s abbey, Leicester names “Robertum…Willielmum leprosum, secundum…et Galfridum” as the three sons of “Robertus” and his wife “Petronillam filiam Hugonis de Grantmenyl”, adding that Geoffrey was “episcopum sancti Andreæ in Scotia”[1407]. He was appointed Chancellor of Scotland by William "the Lion" King of Scotland. The Extracta ex Cronicis Scocie records that "Rogerius filius comitis Lecestrie" was consecrated bishop of St Andrew´s "dominica prima Quadregsimo" in 1198[1408]. He witnessed the [1198/1202] charter of his brother Robert as bishop[1409].

4. AMICE (-3 or 10 Sep 1215, bur Abbaye de Haute-Bruyère). A history of the foundation of St Mary´s abbey, Leicester names “Amiciam primogenitam…et Margaritam juniorem” as the two daughters of “Robertus” and his wife “Petronillam filiam Hugonis de Grantmenyl”, adding that Amice married “domino Symoni de Monteforti”[1410]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the mother of "comes Symon Montisfortis et Guido frater eius" as "Guilelmum comitem Licestrie…sorore" but does not name her[1411]. "Simon de Monte Forti" donated money from "Rochefort" to Notre-Dame des Vaux de Cernay, with the consent of "Amicia uxore mea", by charter dated to [1180][1412]. A charter dated Feb 1199 recalls a donation to the leprosery of Grand-Beaulieu near Chartres by "Amauricus de Monteforti", with the consent of "Amauricus parvus filius eiusdem Amaurici, qui erat sub custodia Amaurici de Mestenon", confirmed after his death by "Simon frater eius et successor", and a later donation by "Simon iste comes Ebroicensis et Mahaudis [presumably an error for Amicia] uxor eius"[1413]. She styled herself Ctss of Leicester after the death of her brother Robert. She surrendered Breteuil to Philippe II King of France in 1206 in return for other lands[1414]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the necrology of the Prieuré de Fontaines which shows that she had a daughter by her second husband when it records the death "23 Dec" of "domina Ameza…monacha, Willelmi de Barris et comitisse Montis Fortis filia"[1415]. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "IV Id Sep" of "Amicia…comitissa Liecestrie et domina Montisfortis"[1416]. The necrology of Haute-Bruyère lists members of the Montfort family who are buried in the abbey, including "…comte Simon…et de sa femme la contesse Amicie…"[1417]. m firstly (before [1170]) SIMON de Montfort, son of SIMON [III] de Montfort Seigneur de Montfort et de Rochefort & his wife Mathilde --- (-before 13 Jan 1188, bur Abbaye de Haute-Bruyère). He succeeded his father in 1181 as Seigneur de Montfort-l'Amaury. m secondly (before 13 Jan 1188) GUILLAUME [II] des Barres Comte de Rochefort, Seigneur d´Oissery et de la Ferté-Alais, son of GUILLAUME [I] des Barres Seigneur d´Oissery-les-Meaux et de Saint-Pathus[1418] & his first wife --- (-Fontaine-les-Nonnes 23 Mar 1234, bur Fontaine-les-Nonnes).

5. MARGARET ([before 1172][1419]-12 Jan or 12 Feb 1235). A history of the foundation of St Mary´s abbey, Leicester names “Amiciam primogenitam…et Margaritam juniorem” as the two daughters of “Robertus” and his wife “Petronillam filiam Hugonis de Grantmenyl”, adding that Margaret married “Sayero de Quincy”[1420]. "Seherus de Quency comes Wintonie" donated "ecclesiam de Gasc" to Inchaffray Abbey, for the souls of "patris nostri bone memorie Roberti de Quency et…matris nostre Orable et…Roberti de Quency primogeniti nostri et…Margarete uxoris nostre" by charter dated to [1210/13][1421]. A charter of King Edward I confirmed donations to Garendon Abbey among which by “Margareta…comitissa Wyntoniæ, soror Roberti comitis Leycestriæ”[1422]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "12 Jan" of "Margarita comitissa Wintonyæ"[1423]. m (before 1190) SAHER [IV] de Quincy, son of ROBERT de Quincy & his first wife Orabilis --- (-Damietta 3 Nov 1219, bur Acre). He was created Earl of Winchester before 10 Feb 1207.

6. HAVISE . A charter dated to after 1189 confirmed the grant of land in Dadlington, Leicestershire to Nuneaton priory which had been made by "Robertus comes Legrecestrie filius Roberti comitis et Amicie comitisse" on giving "filia sua" to the priory, by "Robertus comes filius Roberti comitis et Petronelle comitsse"[1424]. "Petronilla comitissa Leircestrie" confirmed the exchange of land with Nuneaton priory made by "Robertus comes Leircestrie filius meus", who gave land in Belgrave in return for land in Dadlington which had been donated by "sponsus meus Robertus comes…cum filia mea pie memorie Hawis", by charter dated to after 1189[1425]. A nun at Nuneaton

7. PERNELLE (-20 Jul ----). The necrology of Lyre monastery records the death "20 Jul" of "Petronilla filia comitis Leicestriæ"[1426].


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Wikipedia:

Petronilla de Grandmesnil, countess of Leicester (c. 1145-1212) was the daughter of one of three Grandmesnil brothers, William, Ivo, or Hugh, and wife of Robert de Beaumont III, earl of Leicester, known as “Blanchmains” (d. 1190). She was buried in Leicester Abbey following her death on April 1, 1212.

The chronicler Jordan Fantosme wrote of Earl Robert and Countess Petronilla as participants in the rebellion of Henry "the Young King" against King Henry II, his father. Jordan claimed that, because of grievances against the king, Earl Robert participated in the Young King's rebellion in 1173-4, and credits Countess Petronilla for dismissive remarks about the English who were fighting for Henry II: "The English are great boasters, but poor fighters; they are better at quaffing great tankards and guzzling."[1] The countess accompanied her husband on his military campaign against those English troops, under the command of the earl of Arundel and Humphrey de Bohun. During the final showdown, she is said to have fled from the battle, only to be found in a ditch. "The earl’s wife wanted to drown herself, when Simon of Odell saw to pulling her out: ‛My lady, come away from this place, and abandon your design! War is all a question of losing and winning."[2] Her husband was also captured, the couple were briefly in joint custody and the earl's holdings were confiscated. Countess Petronilla was released before her husband, and during the earl's continued imprisonment he wrote to her asking that she discharge the bequests stated in his father's will.[3]

[edit] Family

Countess Petronilla claimed to be the heiress of the Grandmesnil barony but the records do not record the names of her parents.[4] The countess, married in the mid-1150s, bore at least seven children:

William (d. before 1190)

Robert IV, 3rd earl of Leicester, “fitz Parnel/Petronilla” (d. 1204) married Loretta de Braose

Roger, bishop of St. Andrews (d. 1202)

Amice married (1) Simon de Montfort III (d. 18 July before 1188), (2) William de Barres (d. 3 Sept. 1215)

Margaret married Saher de Quincy, later earl of Winchester

Hawise, who became a nun at Nuneaton Priory

Pernel/Petronilla

(Two additional children are possible: Geoffrey, Mabel)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petronilla_de_Grandmesnil,_countess_of_Leicester

Also: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~schwenker/aqwg49.htm

I read:

Robert "Blanchmains" DE HARCOURT EARL OF LEICESTER 1, 2 was born about 1121 in Beaumont, , France and agreed on marriage contract about 1155. He died 31 Aug 1190 in Durazzo Provence, West Albania. Robert married Petronille DE GRENTMESNIL about 1155.

Petronille DE GRENTMESNIL [Parents] 1, 2 was born about 1134 in Leicestershire, England and agreed on marriage contract about 1155. She died 1 Apr 1212 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England and was buried in Abbey, Leicester, Leicestershire, England. Petronille married Robert "Blanchmains" DE HARCOURT EARL OF LEICESTER about 1155.

They had the following children:

  F i Margaret DE HARCOURT was born about 1156 and died 12 Jan 1235/1236. 

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On this website:

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~schwenker/aqwg49.htm

I read:

Robert "Blanchmains" DE HARCOURT EARL OF LEICESTER 1, 2 was born about 1121 in Beaumont, , France and agreed on marriage contract about 1155. He died 31 Aug 1190 in Durazzo Provence, West Albania. Robert married Petronille DE GRENTMESNIL about 1155.

Petronille DE GRENTMESNIL [Parents] 1, 2 was born about 1134 in Leicestershire, England and agreed on marriage contract about 1155. She died 1 Apr 1212 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England and was buried in Abbey, Leicester, Leicestershire, England. Petronille married Robert "Blanchmains" DE HARCOURT EARL OF LEICESTER about 1155.

They had the following children:

  F i Margaret DE HARCOURT was born about 1156 and died 12 Jan 1235/1236. 

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Petronilla de Grentesmesnil was born circa 1134 at Leicestershire, England. She was the daughter of Hugh II de Grentesmesnil of Hinkley.1 Petronilla de Grentesmesnil married Robert III de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester, son of Robert II de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester and Amice de Montfort. Petronilla de Grentesmesnil died on 1 April 1212 at Leicester, Leicestershire, England.

Family

Robert III de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester b. circa 1121, d. 1190

Children

   * Amicia de Beaumont+ b. s 11542
   * Margaret de Beaumont, Countess of Winchester+ b. c 1156, d. 12 Jan 1236
   * Robert IV de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester b. c 1158, d. 1204

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On this website:

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~schwenker/aqwg49.htm

I read:

Robert "Blanchmains" DE HARCOURT EARL OF LEICESTER 1, 2 was born about 1121 in Beaumont, , France and agreed on marriage contract about 1155. He died 31 Aug 1190 in Durazzo Provence, West Albania. Robert married Petronille DE GRENTMESNIL about 1155.

Petronille DE GRENTMESNIL [Parents] 1, 2 was born about 1134 in Leicestershire, England and agreed on marriage contract about 1155. She died 1 Apr 1212 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England and was buried in Abbey, Leicester, Leicestershire, England. Petronille married Robert "Blanchmains" DE HARCOURT EARL OF LEICESTER about 1155.

They had the following children:

  F i Margaret DE HARCOURT was born about 1156 and died 12 Jan 1235/1236. 

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Family

Robert married Petronilla[1], who was either a granddaughter or great-granddaughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil. They had five children:

Robert, who succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester;

Roger, who became Bishop of St Andrews in 1189;

William, who was a leper;

Amicia, who married Simon III de Montfort, and whose son Simon subsequently became Earl of Leicester;

Margaret, who married Saer de Quincy, later 1st Earl of Winchester.

Grandmesnil

Hugh de Grandmesnil [a] b bef 1014, of Grandmesnil, Normandy, d 22 Feb 1094. He md Adelize de Beaumont abt 1046, daughter of Ivo de Beaumont. She was b 1033.

Child of Hugh de Grandmesnil and Adelize de Beaumont was:

Robert de Grandmesnil b abt 1054, of Grandmesnil, Normandy, d abt 1136. He md [1] Agnes of Bayeux, and [2] Emma de Stuteville abt 1092, daughter of Robert de Stuteville and Beatrice.

Child of Robert de Grandmesnil and Emma de Stuteville was:

William de Grandmesnil b abt 1106. The identity of his wife is undetermined.

Child of William de Grandmesnil was:

Petronilla de Grandmesnil b abt 1139, of Hinckley, Leicestershire, England, d 1 Apr 1212, England. She md Sir Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester, abt 1153, son of Sir Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester, Justiciar of England, and Amice de Montfort.

NOTES:

a. Recognized companion of the Conqueror, and Domesday tenant who also held the Norman honour of Grandmesnil, Hugh had five sons, Robert, William, Hugh, Ives, and Aubrey. The eldest son, Robert, inherited the honour of Grandmesnil. Of the other sons, William went to Apulia, where he married Mabel, daughter of Robert Guiscard; Hugh died young, probably around 1087; Ives succeeded to his father's lands in England, which he mortgaged and lost to Robert, Count of Meulan, and it is stated that two of Ives' sons died in the wreck of the White Ship; Aubrey, the youngest son, was brought up a clerk, later becoming a knight. Of these sons of Hugh, only eldest son, Robert, is known to have lived to an old age.

In tracing out the descendants of the sons of Hugh, the Domesday tenant, it appears obvious that it was through the eldest son, Robert, that the honour of Grandmesnil passed to said Robert's granddaughter, Petronilla, then to her husband, Robert de Beaumont, who was holding it in 1167. One source which has long been followed states that Petronilla was the daughter of one Hugh de Grandmesnil, but even Complete Peerage states that this descendancy is by no means proven, and only speculates that Robert may have had a son named Hugh. Recent findings by Keat-Rohan in Domesday People, points to William de Grandmesnil as the link between Robert and Petronilla, and Chris Phillips, posting on SGM includes two charters which he believes are among those used by Keat-Rohan in her conclusion that William was the son of Robert who succeeded to Grandmesnil, passing it to his daughter, Petronilla. In one of these charters, one Beatrix de Rye mentions "my mother Emma and my brother, William de Grentmesnil", and as Robert de Grandmesnil is known to have secondly married Emma de Stuteville, this would appear to be one of the pieces of evidence used by Keats-Rohan. Mr. Phillips also discusses other known descendants of Hugh the Domesday tenant, specifically of the name William, but which chronologically and geographically, do not appear to be likely candidates.

Pernel's father was called William, as shown by a charter for St-Evroult discovered by David Crouch The Beaumont Twins, p.91, citing the Cartulary of St-Evroult, ii, fo 33v. However, the argument that her grandfather is likely to have been Robert, the eldest son of Hugh de Grandmesnil, still seems sound. To some extent it is supported by the following evidence.


In 1157, Henry II confirmed gifts made to the hospital of Falaise by William de Grentmesnil and others Cal. Docs France, no 1157. By an undated charter (perhaps from 1160 or later), one Beatrix de Rye gave land to the abbey of St Jean of Falaise, for the well-being of her mother Emma and of her brother William de Grentemesnil Lechaude d'Anisy, Extrait des Chartes ... dans les archives du Calvados, vol.1, p.232, no 9 (1834). It seems likely that this Beatrix was a daughter of Robert de Grandmesnil by his second wife, Emma d'Estouteville, particularly as the name Beatrix occurs in the Estouteville family, and was possibly borne by Emma's mother C.T. Clay, ed., Early Yorkshire Charters, vol.9, p.2 (1952). If so, this would confirm that Robert also had a son William, who would probably be Pernel's father.


Note that K.S.B. Keats-Rohan Domesday People I, p.263 (1999) states that Pernel's father William was the son of Robert by Emma d'Estouteville, but no evidence is cited for the relationship.

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great granddaughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil, present at the Battle of Hastings

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See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p384.htm#i6973 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

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Married Robert, 3rd Earl of Leicester, between 1155 and 1159. She died on 1 April 1212.

Pernel Grandmesnil was also known as Petronilla.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p1700.htm#i16996 -------------------- Countess Petronilla claimed to be the heiress of the Grandmesnil barony but the records do not record the names of her parents.[4] The countess, married in the mid-1150s, bore at least seven children:

William (d. before 1190)
Robert IV, 3rd earl of Leicester, “fitz Parnel/Petronilla” (d. 1204) married Loretta de Braose
Roger, bishop of St. Andrews (d. 1202)
Amice married (1) Simon de Montfort III (d. 18 July before 1188), (2) William de Barres (d. 3 Sept. 1215)
Margaret married Saher de Quincy, later earl of Winchester
Hawise, who became a nun at Nuneaton Priory
Pernel/Petronilla
Two additional children are possible: Geoffrey, and Mabel[5]
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Pétronille de Grandmesnil's Timeline

1135
1135
Leicestershire, England
1155
1155
Age 20
Leicester, Leicestershire, UK
1155
Age 20
Abbey Leicester, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
1158
1158
Age 23
Bramber, Sussex, England
1158
Age 23
Of Beaumont, France
1160
1160
Age 25
Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
1161
1161
Age 26
Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
1164
1164
Age 29
Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
1166
1166
Age 31
Of,Leicester,Leicestershire,England
1212
April 1, 1212
Age 77
Leicestershire, England