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Pavie de Ham

Also Known As: "Pavie", "Parvie", "Patia", "Pavia"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Vermandois, Normandy, France
Death: Died in Vermandois, Normandy, France
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Évrard II, seigneur de Ham and Jehanne N.N.
Wife of Eudes, comte de Vermandois
Mother of Piers de Vermandois (Fictitious); Heribert IV (VI), comte de Vermandois; Odo l de Furnell; Simon de Vermandois, seigneur de Ham and Pavie II de Ham
Sister of Blanche de Ham and Blanche de Ham de Vermandois

Occupation: Condesa de Vermandois, Dame, de Ham, Dame de Ham
Managed by: Brian Taylor
Last Updated:

About Pavie de Ham

Pavie / Pavia / Patia [de Ham, Heiress of Ham?]

possibly a daughter of Évrard II, seigneur de Ham and Jehanne N.N. (de Coucy)

Wife of Eudes, comte de Vermandois

FMG / Charles Cawley writes http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#_Toc414122992 :

EUDES, son of HERIBERT [IV] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Ermengardis --- ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[2265]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "VIII Kal Jun" of "Otto comes"[2266].

m PAVIA, daughter of --- (-after 1045). "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[2267].

Comte Eudes & his wife had two children:

1. HERIBERT [VI] ([1032]-[1080]). He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois. “Heribertus...Viromanduorum comes” confirmed donations to Saint-Prix made by “prædecessor noster Albertus” by charter dated 1076, subscribed by “...Odonis vicecomitis...Odonis fratris comitis...Roberti Peronensis, Ivonis Hamensis, Ivonis Nigellensis, Hugonis Calniacensis, Odonis filii Roberti Peronensis...”[2268]. He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[2269]. m ([1059 or before]) ADELAIS de Valois, daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[2270]. Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem…Bartholomeum"[2271]. Ctss de Valois. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[2272]. Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

a) EUDES “l’Insensé” (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[2273]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

[- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[2274]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

b) ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[2275]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[2276]. She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy. m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia. m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD [III] de Clermont, son of HUGUES [II] de Creil dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[2277]. children of first marriage:

- see below, Part B. COMTES de VERMANDOIS (Capet).

2. EUDES (-after 1076). “Heribertus...Viromanduorum comes” confirmed donations to Saint-Prix made by “prædecessor noster Albertus” by charter dated 1076, subscribed by “...Odonis vicecomitis...Odonis fratris comitis...Roberti Peronensis, Ivonis Hamensis, Ivonis Nigellensis, Hugonis Calniacensis, Odonis filii Roberti Peronensis...”[2278].

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Pavie de Ham's Timeline

990
990
Vermandois, Normandy, France
1024
1024
Age 34
Ham, Somme, Picardy, France
1030
1030
Age 40
Vermandois, Normandy, France
1032
July 20, 1032
Age 42
Vermandois, Normandy, France
1040
1040
Age 50
1058
1058
Age 68
Vermandois, Normandy, France
1077
1077
Age 68
1080
1080
Age 68
1991
October 18, 1991
Age 68