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Nicknames: "Piers de Valoines", "Piers de Valoignes"
Birthplace: Valognes, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
Death: Died in Orford, Suffolk, , England
Managed by: Bjørn P. Brox
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About Piers (Peter) de Valognes, I

Piers de Valognes/Valoines/Valence

The best information I have found on Piers de Valognes/Valoines/Valence came from an extended discussion among medieval genealogy scholars on GEN-MEDIEVAL-L in 2004 [archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2004-05/1085288764]. These provide further references for him.

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From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> Subject: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins Date: Sun, 23 May 2004

I.J. Sanders, in his "English Barones", published in 1960, records (Domesday Book reference):

"Peter de Valence holds in domain Hecham, which Haldane a freeman held in the time of King Edward, as a manor, and as 5 hides. etc."

I don't know how many people know "The Domesday Book, England's Heritage, Then and Now" edited by Thomas Hinde. On page 134 it is given that he also had property in Ashwell, in Hertfordshire. On page 341

Valognes, Peter de. Nephew of William I; married Albreda, sister of Eudo the Steward. Sheriff of Essex and Herts in 1086. Founded Binham Priory, Norfolk. Holdings in six counties in the East.

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From: "Chris Phillips" <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004

Keats-Rohan [Domesday People p. 322] has an entry on him, but says nothing of his parentage, only that he was Norman, from Valognes, Manche. She also argues that his wife Albreda was not the sister of Eudo the Steward/Eudo Dapifer, but more likely the sister of Eudo vicomte de Saint-Sauveur.

In the detailed discussion of the Conqueror's brothers and sisters in Appendix K of CP vol. 12, part 1, I can't see any mention of a Valognes connection, though of course the known sister Adelaide/Aeliz is discussed.

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From: therav3@aol.com (John Ravilious) Date: 23 May 2004

I'd love to know the basis for identifying Piers de Valoins as a nephew of William I (I assume 'of England' is meant...). I saw no such reference in I.J. Sanders, but then that provides no proof either way.

I had recently compiled the following re: Piers de Valoins and his immediate descendants. Hope this is of use.

1 Piers de Valoins ---------------------------------------- of Benington, co. Herts.

tenant in Essex and co. Herts. at Domesday Book, 1086 (Sanders, p. 12)[1]

Domesday Book, for Hecham [Higham], Essex: 'Peter de Valence holds in domain Hecham, which Haldane a freeman held in the time of King Edward, as a manor, and as 5 hides. There have always been 2 ploughs in the demesne, 4 ploughs of the men. At that time there were 8 villeins, now lo; then there were 2 bordars, now 3; at both times 4 serv woods for 300 swine, 18 acres of meadow. Then there were 2 fish ponds and a half, now there are none. At that time there was 1 ox, now there are 1S cattle and 1 small horse and 18 swine and 2 hives of bees. At that time it was worth 69S., now 4£ 10s. When he received this manor he found only 1 ox, and 1 acre planted. Of those 5 hides spoken of above, one was held in the time of King Edward by 2 freemen, and was added to this manor in the time of King William. It was worth in the time of King Edward 10s., now 22s, and William holds this from Peter de Valence.'[2]

Children: Roger (-ca1142)

1.1 Roger de Valoins

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Death:ca 1142[1]

of Bennington, co. Herts.

re: his wife:

'Agnes, wife of Roger de Valognes' [DP 284, sub Johannes nepos Waleranni[3] ]

Spouse:Agnes fitz John Death:aft 1184[4],[5] Father:John fitz Richard

Children:Peter (-1158) Robert (-1184) Philip (-1215) Cecily Roger John Geoffrey

1.1.1 Peter de Valoins

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Death:1158, d.s.p.[1]

of Bennington, co. Herts.

Spouse:Gundreda de Warenne Death:1224[6] Father:Reginald de Warenne (-1179) Mother:Alice de Wormegay (->1179)

1.1.2 Robert de Valoins

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Death:1184[1]

of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts, Higham, Essex, Great Fakenham and Bacton, Suffolk & c.'[5]

Spouse:Hawise

Children:Gunnor

1.1.2.1 Gunnor de Valoins

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first wife[7], and heiress of her father

CP Vol V (Essex), pp. 127 (under Geoffrey de Mandeville, re: Maud) and 132 (under William de Mandeville, re: Christine) states they were the lst and 2nd daughters respectively ' of Robert Fitz Wauter, of Woodham Walter, Essex, by his 1st wife (to whom she was coh.), Gunnor, da. and h. of Robert de Valoines, of Bennington, Sacomb , and Hertingfordbury, Herts, Higham, Essex, Great Fakenham and Bacton, Suffolk & c.'[5]

she m. lstly Durand de Osteil, 2ndly Robert fitz Walter (Sanders, p. 12)[1]

Spouse:Robert fitz Walter Death:9 Dec 1235[5] Father:Walter fitz Robert (-1198) Mother:Maud de Lucy

Children:Christian (-1232) Maud (-<1213)

1.1.2.1.1 Christian fitz Robert

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Death:1232, d.s.p.[7]

2nd daughter, and coheiress of her mother her heir was her half-brother Walter FitzRobert[7]

she m. 1stly William de Mandeville, 2ndly Raymond de Burgh[7]

Spouse:William FitzGeoffrey Death:bef 3 Jun 1227, d.s.p.[5] Father:Geoffrey FitzPiers (-1213) Mother:Beatrix de Say (-<1197)

1.1.2.1.2 Maud fitz Walter

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Death:bef 26 Jan 1213[5]

1st daughter, and coheiress of her mother

lst wife of Geoffrey de Mandeville[5]

Spouse:Geoffrey de Mandeville Death:23 Feb 1215, London (jousting accident)[5] Father:Geoffrey FitzPiers (-1213) Mother:Beatrix de Say (-<1197)

1.1.3 Philip de Valoins

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Death: 5 Nov 1215

of Panmure and Bervie, co. Forfar

relocated to Scotland 1165 or before (Sanders, pp. 12-13)[1] chamberlain to the King of Scots

'Philippo de Valoniis camerario' , witness to confirmation by King William I to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, Forfar (c. 1194). Wilielmus dei gratia Rex Scotorum, Episcopis, Abbatibus, Comitibus, Baronibus, justiciis, vicecomitibus, ministris et omnibus probis hominibus totius terre sue, clericis et laicis, salutem. Sciant presentes et futuri me concessisse et hac carta mea confirmasse Ade filio Odonis Senescaldi donationem illam quam Gilchrist' abbas et conventus kyldeorum de Sancto Andrea [fecerunt],1 predicto2 Odoni dapifero nostro3 de Kynkel et Petsprochyn et Petkynninn. Tenendum sibi et heredibus suis de predictis kyldeis et ecclesia eorum, per rectas divisas suas et cum omnibus ad predictas terras juste pertinentibus, in feodo et hereditate, ita libere et quiete, plenarie et honorifice, sicut carta prefati abbatis et conventus kyldeorum testatur, salvo servitio meo. Testibus, Comite Duncano justicia, Ricardo de prebenda clerico meo, Philippo de Valoniis camerario ' [8]

Children:William (-1219)

1.1.3.1 William de Valoins

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Death:1219[1]

of Panmure, co. Forfar

Chamberlain of Scotland[5]

Spouse:Loretta de Quincy Father:Saier IV de Quincy (~1155-1219) Mother:Margaret de Beaumont (-1234)

Children:Lora (-ca1272) Christiana Isabel (-1253)

1.1.3.1.1 Lora de Valoins

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Death:ca Apr 1272[1]

coheiress of parents, and of cousin Gunnora de Valoins (Sanders, pp. 12-13)[1]

Spouse:Henry de Baliol Death:bef 1247[1] Marr:bef 1233[5]

Children:Guy (-1265) de Baliol (dsp) Alexander (-<1311) de Baliol, of Cavers (m. Isabel de Chilham)

1.1.3.1.2 Christiana de Valoins

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coheiress of parents, and of cousin Gunnora de Valoins (Sanders, pp. 12-13)[1]

Spouse:Peter de Maune Death:aft 1256[1]

Children:Henry

1.1.3.1.3 Isabel de Valoins

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Death:1253[1]

coheiress of parents, and of cousin Gunnora de Valoins (Sanders, pp. 12-13)[1]

Spouse:David Comyn

Children:William (-1283) Comyn of Kilbride, Lanark.

1.1.4 Cecily de Valoins[5]

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or Cicely[5]

as to her identification as a daughter of Roger de Valoins and Agnes fitz John, Rosie Bevan wrote: 'About the identity of Cecily, abstracts of charters in the PRO point to further Valognes links.

PRO E 40/3699 Grant by Agnes de Waloniis, to Gunnora de Essex', her niece and foster child, of all the land and fee which she holds of the bishopric of Ely and of Roger de Thorn, viz. Westley, Fulburn and Feversam, which William Delmaneir holds, and the land called 'the land of the small hall;' to be held by the service of two knights, which the said William will perform, and a sparrowhawk yearly. (Twelfth Century)

PRO E 40/3958 Grant by Peter, the prior, and the convent of Binham, to Gunnora de Estsexia, for her life, or until she takes the veil, of land in Westleia granted to them, in frank almoin, by Lady Agnes de Valoniis, and Robert de Valoniis, her son. Witnesses:- John, the chaplain of the countess, Robert de Ver, Geoffrey de berleia, and others (named): [Camb. Twelfth century.

The grant by the prior of the convent of Binham, Norfolk, which Peter de Valognes founded about 1107, points to the identification of Lady Agnes de Valognes as Agnes, sister of Payn and Eustace fitz John and widow of Roger de Valognes d. 1141 of Benington, Herts., and mother of his sons and heirs, Peter d.s.p.1158, and Robert d.1184. Because the gift is made with the assent of Robert, the charter would appear to date after the death of her eldest son in 1158 and probably after 1163 when the Essex family lost its vast fortune. Agnes was trying to provide for a younger daughter of the family. I would also suspect that the interpretation of the word 'niece' is derived from the Latin neptis, which was also used to mean granddaughter. ................. 'Taking the Valognes links into consideration, a reasonable conclusion is that Cecilia was the daughter of Roger and Agnes de Valognes. This would suggest that Gunnor has been misidentified as the daughter of Robert de Essex by Keats-Rohan in DD 451, but was actually the daughter of Henry and Cecilia de Essex, as well as the sister of Agnes, wife of Aubrey de Vere. Onomastically it is a good match - Agnes the first born daughter was named for Cecily's mother and Gunnor the second daughter was named for Henry's mother.'[9]

re: her husband, Henry of Essex:

of Raleigh and Haughley, co. Essex

supporter of King Stephen: '...H. de Essex' ...', witness to Stephen's confirmation of gift by William de Warenne

'...the King's constable....' ' He forfeited his vast estates in 1163, when he was defeated in single combat by Robert de Montfort, who had accused him of treason...' [CP Vol. X, Oxford, p. 206n, citing R. de Diceto and R. de Torigny] [5] Spouse:Henry of Essex Death:aft 1163[5] Father:Robert fitz Sweyn of Essex (-<1129) Mother:Gunnora le Bigod

Children:Agnes (ca1152->1194) Henry (-<1194) Hugh (->1194) Robert Gunnora

1.1.4.1 Agnes of Essex

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Birth:ca 1152[5] Death:aft 26 Dec 1194[5] Burial:Colne priory, Essex[5]

3rd wife of Aubrey de Vere[5]

her maritagium included land in Stoke (CP Vol X, Oxford - p. 207n)[5]

possibly also had 5 knights' fees in Haughley, Essex as her maritagium: 'She was holding 5 fees of the honour of Haughley in 1206 in her widowhood, possibly representing her marriage portion (which had probably been arranged before her father's downfall). As the Haughley barony consisted of 50 knights' fees and the Rayleigh barony had consisted of about 48-58, [Sanders 120, 139], this is a very small proportion of the total. Most of it remained in the king's hands after confiscation, although in 1205 Gilbert Stanford (Sanford?) answered for 13 fees "a sixth part" of the honor of Henry de Essex and four and a half fees of the honour of Haughley [Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748].'[9]

Spouse:Aubrey de Vere[10], (1st) Earl of Oxford Death:26 Dec 1194[11] Birth:ca 1110[5] Father:Aubrey de Vere (<1090-1141) Mother:Adeliza de Clare (-ca1163) Marr:ca 1162[11]

Children:Aubrey (-<1214) Ralph (-<1214) Robert (>1164-<1221) Henry (-<1221) Cecily

1.1.4.1.1 Aubrey de Vere

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Death:bef Oct 1214[5] Occ:Earl of Oxford

2nd Earl of Oxford

Spouse:Isabel de Bolebec Birth:1175[5] Death:ca 1206, d.s.p.[5] Father:Walter de Bolebec (-<1185)

1.1.4.1.2 Ralph de Vere

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Death:bef 1214, d.s.p.[5]

evidently, 2nd son[5]

1.1.4.1.3 Robert de Vere

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Birth:aft 1164 Death:bef 25 Oct 1221[5] Burial:Hatfield Priory Occ:Earl of Oxford

of Hedingham and Great Addington, Northants. 3rd Earl of Oxford, heir to his brother Aubrey (d. 1214) Surety of the Magna Carta [11]

Spouse:Isabel de Bolebec Death:3 Feb 1245[5] Father:Hugh de Bolebec, of Whitchurch, Bucks. Marr:aft 1205[5]

Children:Hugh (~1210-<1263) de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford Eleanor, m. Ralph Gernon

1.1.4.1.4 Henry de Vere[5]

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Death:bef 25 Oct 1221[5]

his brother Robert, Earl of Oxford was a benefactor of Oseney Abbey '...for his salvation and the salvation of the soul of his brother Henry de Vere..'[5]

1.1.4.1.5 Cecily de Vere

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identification not verified

Spouse:William le Blount, of Ixworth, Suffolk Birth:ca 1185[1] Death:1228[1] Father:Hubert le Blount (ca1165-ca1188) Mother:NN

Children:Rohese Agnes (-<1264) William (-1264)

1.1.4.2 Henry of Essex

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Death:bef 21 Mar 1194, d.s.p.[12]

'...mentioned in 2 charters of Henry of Essex confirming the foundation of Monks Horton (Add.MS [British Library] 5516, fo.3).'[12]

evidently did not succeed his father (see under brother Hugh of Essex)

1.1.4.3 Hugh of Essex

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Death:aft 21 Mar 1194[12]

of North Weald, Essex

evidently inherited the manor of North Weald, Essex from his mother[12]

'Hugh, son of Henry of Essex' , confirmed a gift by his mother Cecilia (unknown date), and his brother Henry (1186) to St. Mary Clerkenwell of the church of North Weald [confirmed by Richard fitzNeale, bishop of London on the same day] - R. Bevan, citing W.O. Hassall, Cartulary of St. Mary Clerkenwell, (Camden Third Series; LXXI, 1949) nos. 27-30[12]

Spouse:NN

Children:Henry (-<1268) Hugh

1.1.4.3.1 Henry of Essex

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Death:bef 1268, d.s.p.[12]

of North Weald, Essex

evidently d.s.p., succeeded by brother Hugh[12]

1.1.4.3.2 Hugh of Essex

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of North Weald, Essex

'Hugh son of Hugh de Essex', granted North Weald, Essex to Philip Basset and Ela Countess of Warwick, his wife ' for their lives from him and the heirs of his body', 1267/8[12]

Letters patent of Edward I., dated 4 Jan 1269/70, ' approving the grant made by Roger le Bygod, Earl of Norfolk and Marshal of England, and Alina his wife, daughter and heir of the late Philip Basset, to Hugh de Essex of the manor of Toleshunt; which grant has been made to remove the ambiguity in a demise of Northwelde manor made by the said Hugh to Philip Basset in the latter's lifetime, and in order that the said manor of Northwelde may remain to the Earl and Alina without challenge of Hugh or his heirs. Winchester, 4 January, 8 Edward I' - PRO, E 40/753[12]

Children:Baldwin Anne

1.1.4.4 Robert of Essex

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clerk

'...mentioned in 2 charters of Henry of Essex confirming the foundation of Monks Horton (Add.MS [British Library] 5516, fo.3).'[12]

1.1.4.5 Gunnora of Essex

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'Gunnora de Essex' identification as theorised by Rosie Bevan (see discussion under mother Cecily): 'Taking the Valognes links into consideration, a reasonable conclusion is that Cecilia was the daughter of Roger and Agnes de Valognes. This would suggest that Gunnor has been misidentified as the daughter of Robert de Essex by Keats-Rohan in DD 451, but was actually the daughter of Henry and Cecilia de Essex, as well as the sister of Agnes, wife of Aubrey de Vere. Onomastically it is a good match - Agnes the first born daughter was named for Cecily's mother and Gunnor the second daughter was named for Henry's mother.'[9]

1.1.5 Roger de Valoins

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1.1.6 John de Valoins

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1.1.7 Geoffrey de Valoins

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' Geoffrey de Valoines of Sutton, Yorks., and Great Saling, Essex was younger brother of Robert de Valoines, holder of the Valoines barony and son of Agnes, sister of Eustace fitz John. In 1157 Geoffrey was in the wardship of 'Warin nepos Estachii filii Johis' as appears in the pipe rolls [Joseph Hunter (ed.), 'The Great Rolls of the Pipe for the second, third and fourth years of the reign of King Henry the Second 1155, 1156, 1157, 1158'. (London, 1844) p.147]. He married Emma de Bulmer before 1163, [EYC II p.128] and held 4 fees of William Fossard in Wilton, and other places in Cleveland, and Sheriff Hutton, and one fee of William Percy [EYC II p.331]. He was also guardian of William, son and heir of Bertram de Bulmer. Farrer assumed that when Geoffrey died in 1169, that he died without issue. This is not correct for around 1167 Geoffrey and Emma produced a son and heir named Henry, who is mentioned in the 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80), aged 18, and in the king's wardship per Hugh de Morewick, because the lord of the fee of Great Saling, William de Vescy, was in his minority. '[13]

Spouse:Emma de Bulmer Death:bef 1209, d.s.p.[5] Father:Bertram de Bulmer (-1166) Mother:Emma Fossard (-1167)

Children:Henry (-<1191)

1.1.7.1 Henry de Valoins

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Death:bef 1191, d.s.p.[13]

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1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.

2. "Primary Sources: English Manorial Documents," E. P. Cheyney, tr., http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Manor.html from "English Manorial Documents," Translations and Reprints from the original Sources of European History,, E. P. Cheyney, tr., vol. 3, no. 5, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1907), pp. 3-32, includes extracts from Domesday Book (Valoins).

3. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press, 1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270) and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).

4. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 24, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Domesday Descendants, 450 and 686 (re: Hamo de St. Clare).

5. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.

6. Chris Phillips, "Re: Richard de Curcy of Newenham, Oxon - Same as Nuneham Courtenay?," Jul 28, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites VCH Oxfordshire vol. 5, pp. 237-240 re: Curci family and manor of Newenham.

7. Douglas Richardson, "FitzWalter," September 8, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ida Longespee, daughter of William Longespee, Knt. [or his father William, Earl of Salisbury] and her husband Walter fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, Essex & c. (d. before 10 Apr 1258).

8. D.A.Bullough and R.L.Storey, eds., "The Study of Medieval Record, Essays in honour of Kathleen Major," 'The Early Charters of the Family of Kinninmonth of that Ilk', by G. W. S. Barrow, http://sadko.ncl.ac.uk/~ndjk/Personal/Scotland/Origins/Charters.htm p. 6 = King William I confirms to Adam, son of Odo the steward, the grant made to Odo by Gilchrist, the abbot, and the convent of the culdees of St. Andrews, as in No. 2. Forfar (c. 1194).

9. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 18, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites Sanders 120, 139 and Red Book of the Exchequer, p.748 re: Agnes fitz John and the Valoins family, as well as PRO E 40/3699 and PRO E 40/3958 concerning Gunnora de Essex, 'neptis' of Agnes fitz John.

10. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.

11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).

12. Rosie Bevan and Cris Nash, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," Apr 23, 2003 (and previous), GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cite Complete Peerage, vol.10, p.206; Sanders p.120, 139;, Domesday Descendants, p.449-451, and prior contributions, by Chris Phillips on 15 March 2001.

13. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John," 17 May 2004, cites evidence in EYC XI p. 186, EYV II no. 1110, 1186 Rotuli Dominabus (p. 80),, and others.

  • John P. Ravilious

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From: alden@mindspring.com (Doug Smith) Date: 24 May 2004

Wonderful summary. Possible additions to children of Piers de Valoines:

1. Muriel who married William de Bachetone and Hubert II de Munchensey.

DP I, pps 256-257, DD, pps 294, 757-760. CP IX: 411-413.

2. nn who married Alfred of Attleborough.

DP I, p 140, HKF p 393, DD, p863.

3. William

According to DD it appears Piers had two brothers as well.

Doug Smith

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From: ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 May 2004

For what it's worth I find in my notes the following which I think was from History of Hertfordshire' by John Edwin Cussans. I don't even know if this is the same guy who is under discussion.

THE MANOR [Northaw, Hertfordshire] At the time of the Conquest this Manor belonged to the Abbot and Monks of St. Albans, by whom it was granted to Peter de Valence, for the term of the life of the Abbot; but on the death of the Abbot, in 1093, Peter refused to give up possession as did Roger, his son, and Peter, his grandson, who successively held it. ......

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From: Rosie Bevan <rbevan@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Peter de Valognes/Peter de Valence/Piers de Valoins Date: Wed, 26 May 2004

At the time of the Domesday collation in 1086, Peter held the position of sheriff of the counties of Essex and Hertfordshire, combined for the purposes of administration by the Exchequer, and he farmed the boroughs of Havering and Hertford. He had acted in the capacity of sheriff periodically from about 1070-1076.

Peter was granted lands in six counties (Hertfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Lincolnshire), the caput of which he made Benington, Hertfordshire, which had been the head of the lordship of Aelmar, his disposessed Saxon predecessor. It included a park for beasts of the chase, and here he, or his son, built a castle.

There is a hint in the Domesday Book to suggest that Peter may have profited by the forfeiture of Ralph de Gael in Norfolk in 1075, which may explain why although his caput was in Benington in Hertfordshire, his most valuable lands were in Norfolk, the latter being a later grant.

Peter de Valoines and Albreda had another son called William, and he appears to have been their son and heir but died during the life of his father without issue. He appears in the foundation charter of Binham priory before his brother Roger.

Peter de Valoines appears to have had two daughters. (1) Muriel, married first possibly Theodoric, brother of Walter the Deacon [DP 427].

  • Theodoric appears as a tenant of Peter de Valoines at Domesday in Saxlingham, Norfolk and may be the same as Theoderic Pointel in Witham, Essex as appears in the Domesday Book. (Grimbald who attested the Binham charter of Peter de Valoines [Monasticon Anglicanum, v. 3, p.345] was possibly the same who was tenant of Theoderic Pointel in Domesday Essex [DD 1080]).
  • By her first husband, Muriel had a son William de Bacton, (also identifiable as 'William filio Theodoric', signatory to the Binham charter), who sold his inheritance of 13 knights' fees given by and held of Everard, bishop of Norwich to his uncle Roger de Valoines. This was later (1156-62) confirmed to Robert, son of Roger de Valoines by a royal charter by Henry II, witnessed by Philip de Valoines, Henry de Essex, the elder, and Henry de Essex, the younger at Rouen [Barbara Dodwell (ed), 'The Charters of Norwich Cathedral Priory', (Pipe Roll Society, 1974), part 1, no. 79].
  • Muriel married secondly Hubert de Munchensy (Monte Caniso) as his second wife [DP 257], a benefactor of Eye, Thetford and Colne priories, by whom she had Roger, Geoffrey and Hugh [CP IX p.412 notes (b) and (c].
  • Widowed before 1120, Muriel later became a nun at Thetford priory of which she had been a benefactor by granting land in Rushworth, part of her marriage portion, when her son Hugh was made a monk there. The grant was confirmed by William de Bacheton, Roger de Monchensey, her brother Roger de Valoines and by his son Piers [Farrer HKF 3
  • 393].

(2) The other daughter is unnamed but identified by Keats-Rohan as wife of Alfred or Alured of Attleborough, co-sheriff in Essex between 1101-1112, for the reason that Adam son of Alfred [DD 863/864], is named as grandson of Peter de Valognes, and gave land in Besthorpe to Wymondham priory. Adam had a brother called Roger. Yseldis, granddaughter of Alfred, also gave land in Besthorpe, in the soke of Buckenham near Attleborough [DP 140].

You have for Christine that her heir was Walter fitz Robert. This is not accurate for anything which passed from her mother Gunnor de Valoines. Tenements held in dower by Gundred widow of Peter de Valoines II in Dersingham, Norfolk, had been awarded to Walter fitz Robert on Christine's death, either mistakenly or collusively, but in 1234 Christian's heirs, brought a suit against Walter in the curia regis, which they won because the lands had descended via Gunnor de Valoines, and Walter was son of Robert fitz Walter by another wife, " Postea coram domino rege apud Westmonasterium factum est judicium. Quia predicta terra descendit eidem Cristiane de predicto Roberto avo suo ex parte matris et iste Walterus est frater ipsius Cristiane tantum ex parte patris ex altera uxore..."[CRR XV no.1432].

It is possible that Roger de Valoines and Agnes had another daughter named Christina who is listed amongst the abbesses of Barking and was buried there, "Dame Christine de Valoyns gist en mylieu del chapitre en le pere du marbre." [Monasticon Anglicanum, v.1 p.441]. Alice, sister of Agnes wife of Roger de Valoines, is known to have been a former abbess there in 1137.

-------------------- Piers (Peter) (Seigneur) de VALOINES

    Born:   ?   Died:  aft. 1107
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Piers (Peter) de Valognes, I's Timeline

1045
1045
Valognes, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
1069
1069
Age 24
Valognes, Normandy, Cotentin/Manche, France
1074
1074
Age 29
Suffolk, , England
1079
1079
Age 34
Benington, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
1080
1080
Age 35
Valognes, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
1083
1083
Age 38
Valoines, Normandy, France
1087
1087
Age 42
Orford, Suffolk, , England
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