Raoul de Ponthieu, comte de Ponthieu (c.802 - 866) MP

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Nicknames: "Raoul", "Rudolf", "Rudolph", "Rudolf of Troyes", "Count Rudolf I in Ponthieu"
Birthplace: Ponthieu, France
Death: Died in Germany
Occupation: Count of Ponthieu 866, Count of Troyes, Abbé de Saint Riquier 856, Abbot of Jumièges 849)
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Chapter 9. GRAFEN im LINZGAU

Linzgau was situated north of Lake Constance, and east of Hegau, in southern Württemberg.

A. GRAFEN im LINZGAU, GRAFEN von ALTDORF (WELF)

The Genealogia Welforum[820], the first genealogy of the Welf family, was compiled in the mid-1120s in upper Germany and a decade later in Lüneburg. A document comprising 10 short paragraphs, it is uncertain whether the earlier parts of the family are accurately represented: in particular there is an apparent conflation of one generation. This was followed in [1170] by the Historia Welforum, written by an anonymous Swabian cleric in the entourage of Duke Welf [VI]. This repeats the often stated Trojan origin of the Franks, with the migrants settling on the banks of the Rhine, and more specifically the descent of the Welf family from "filiam…senatoris Romani…Katilina"[821]. The name Welf was not applied to the whole dynasty until the 12th century, this unusual first name being an abbreviation of "Welfhard" or "Bernwelf" and signifying puppy[822]. Migrating into Swabia from the area of Metz, the family's territories were at first centred around the Argen and Schussen, districts north-east of Lake Constance. They expanded northwards along the Lech river, acquiring a second power-base in the Ammer and Augst districts on the border with Bavaria[823]. The reduction in the central authority of the dukes of Swabia within their duchy enabled the Welf family to increase its own power from the end-11th century, from which time they exercised the authority of dukes in their extensive territories without the ducal title.

WELF [I], son of ROTHARD Graf & his wife --- (-[824/25]). Settipani names Welf [I] as son of Rothard[824] but does not cite the primary source on which this is based. The Annalista Saxo names "de principibus Bawarorum qui fuit binomius, name et Eticho et Welfus dicebatur" who was father of Empress Judith[825]. From the area of Metz. Moved to Bavaria. Graf in Swabia. m HEILWIG, daughter of ---. Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names "filiam Hwelfi ducis sui, qui erat de nobilissima progenie Bawariorum…Iudith…ex parte matris…Eigilwi nobilissimi generic Saxonici" as second wife of Emperor Ludwig[826]. She was installed as Abbess of Chelles, near Paris, through the influence of her daughter Empress Judith. Welf [I] & his wife had four children:

  • 1. RUDOLF [I] (-15 Oct 866). Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names (in order) "Chuonradum et Ruodolfum" as brothers of Empress Judith[827]. He was given the abbeys of Saint-Riquier and Jumièges, through the influence of his sister Empress Judith. The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Rodolphe…du sang imperial…oncle du glorieux roi Charles" succeeded abbé Louis as lay abbot of Saint-Riquier[828]. The Annales Alamannicorum record "Hruodolfus frater Iudith Augustæ" among those who swore allegiance in 864[829]. Comte de Sens. The Annales Bertiniani record the death in 866 of "Rodulfus Karoli regis avunculus"[830]. The Adonis Continuatio records the death in 866 of "avunculus quoque eius [Carolo, Ludovici filii"] Radulfus, consiliarius primusque palatii"[831]. Two contemporary Epitafia commemorate "nobilis … Rhuodulfus", the second recording his death "Idus octavo"[832]. m HRUODUN, daughter of --- (-after 867). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
  • 2. CONRAD "l'Ancien" (-22 Mar [862/66]). ... Graf von Linz- und Argengau. Dux. ...Comte de Paris. ... m ADELAIS [de Tours], daughter of HUGUES Comte [de Tours] & his wife Ava. Comte Conrad & his wife had [five] children.
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  • 3. JUDITH ([805]-Tours 19 Apr 843, bur Tours Saint-Martin). ... m (Aix-la-Chapelle Feb 819) as his second wife, Emperor LOUIS I, son of Emperor CHARLES I "Charlemagne" King of the Franks & his second wife Hildegardis (Chasseneuil-du-Poitou {Vienne} [16 Apr/Sep] 778-island in the Rhine near Ingelheim 20 Jun 840, bur bur Metz, église abbatiale de Saint-Arnoul).
  • 4. EMMA [Hemma] (-31 Jan 876, bur Regensburg St Emmeran). ... m (827) LOUIS King of Bavaria and Carinthia, son of Emperor LOUIS I "le Pieux" & his first wife Ermengardis [de Hesbaye] ([806]-Frankfurt-am-Main 28 Aug 876, bur Kloster Lorsch). He was installed in 843 as LUDWIG II "le Germanique" King of the East Franks.

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1. RUDOLF [I], son of WELF [I] Graf in Swabia & his wife Heilwig --- (-15 Oct 866). Thegan names (in order) "Chuonradum et Ruodolfum" brothers of Empress Judith[1586]. He was given the abbeys of Saint-Riquier and Jumièges, through the influence of his sister Empress Judith. The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Rodolphe…du sang imperial…oncle du glorieux roi Charles" succeeded abbé Louis as lay abbot of Saint-Riquier[1587]. He and his brother Conrad were forcibly tonsured in [Apr 830] by their sister's stepson, Lothar, then in revolt against his father, and sent to Aquitaine "to be held by Pepin"[1588]. The Annales Alamannicorum record "Hruodolfus frater Iudith Augustæ" among those who swore allegiance in 864[1589]. Comte de Sens. The Annales Bertiniani record the death in 866 of "Rodulfus Karoli regis avunculus"[1590]. The Adonis Continuatio records the death in 866 of "avunculus quoque eius [Carolo, Ludovici filii"] Radulfus, consiliarius primusque palatii"[1591]. Two contemporary Epitafia commemorate "nobilis…Rhuodulfus", the second recording his death "Idus octavo"[1592]. m HRUODUN, daughter of --- (-after 867). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. Comte Rudolf [I] & his wife had four children:

  • a) CONRAD (-882, bur Sens, Sainte-Colombe). Comte de Paris, Comte de Sens. The Chronicon Senonensi records that "Conradus comes, germanus eius [Guelphem]" succeeded his brother in 881 but died the same year and was buried in the same place[1593].
  • b) WELF (-881, bur Sens, Sainte-Colombe). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Guelfon…du sang royal" succeeded Helgaud as lay abbot of Saint-Riquier[1594]. Abbot of Sainte-Colombe-de-Sens. The Chronicon Senonensi records the death of "abbas hujus Monasterii Guelpho ex prosapia regali" in 881 and his burial "in Basilica S. Columbæ"[1595].
  • c) HUGO . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Rector of Saint-Saulve Valenciennes in 867.
  • d) RUDOLF [II] . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Graf in Augstgau.