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Raoul III (II) de Tosny (de Toeni), Seigneur de Conches, Lord of Flamstead

Also Known As: "Ralph de Conches de Toeni", "III; Raoul de Tosni", "de Conches", "Seigneur de Conches", "Lord of Flamstead"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Flamstead or Dacorum District, Hertfordshire, England
Death: Died in Conches-en-Ouches, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
Place of Burial: Conches-en-Ouches, Eure, Haute Normandie, France
Immediate Family:

Son of Roger I 'd'Espagne' de Toeni, Standard Bearer of Normandy; Roger I 'd'Espagne' de Tosny and Godeheut or Godechildis NN
Husband of Isabelle de Montfort, dame de Nogent
Ex-husband of Godeheut or Godechildis De Toeni
Father of Roger de Toeni, II; Ralph IV de Toeni; Godehaut (Godechilde) de Tosny, Queen Of Jerusalem and Robert de Toeni
Brother of Robert de Toeni, Lord of Stafford; Elinant de Toeni; Gazon De Toeni, (Died at 1 yr old); Adeliza de Toeni, Countess of Hereford; Beringar de Toeni, of Belvoir and 3 others
Half brother of Berthe de Toeni; Guillaume "Crespin" d'Evreux, Comte d'Evreux; Agnès d'Évreux; Walter d'Evreux and Girold Dapifer Count d'Evreux

Occupation: Lord of Flamstead, aka "de Conches", Seigneur de Conches
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About Raoul III (II) de Tosny, Seigneur de Conches, Lord of Flamstead

Raoul (Ralph) III de Tosny / Toeni / Toni, Seigneur de Conches, Lord of Flamstead

(d. 24 March 1102)

son of Roger "de Conches" de Tosny and his second wife, Godechilde

married Isabelle de Montfort (dau of Simon)

children: Roger II, Raoul IV and Godechilde (see below)

NOTE: The reason we have numbered him as Raoul III (II) is because he is listed as Raoul II in Wikipedia and some other sources.

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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#RaoulTosnydied1102 Updated March 2015

RAOUL [III] de Tosny, son of ROGER [I] de Conches & his [second] wife Godechildis --- (-24 Mar [1102], bur Conches Saint-Pierre). “Radulphus de Tony cum Godehelde matre mea” donated property to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by undated charter[2919]. According to Orderic Vitalis, he was "a man of the highest renown and knightly valour and was outstanding among the greatest nobles of Normandy for his wealth and honours"[2920]. Orderic Vitalis records that he was ambassador from Guillaume II Duke of Normandy to Henri I King of France in 1054, when he reported the duke's defeat of the king's supporters "across the Seine"[2921]. Orderic also records that he "carried away by night" his uterine half-sister Agnes d'Evreux and gave her in marriage to Simon de Montfort, receiving in return Simon's daughter Isabel as his wife[2922]. Orderic Vitalis records disputes between his vassals and Duke Guillaume who exiled “milites Rodulfum de Toenia et Hugonem de Grentemaisnilio atque Ernaldum de Escalfoio”, dated to [1059/61][2923], the same source recording in a later passage that Duke Guillaume recalled “Rodulfum de Toenia et Hugonem de Grentemaisnilio”, dated to [1063][2924]. Orderic Vitalis names “...Rodulphus de Conchis Rogerii Toenetis filius, Normannorum signifer...” among the leading lords under Guillaume II Duke of Normandy[2925]. Orderic Vitalis names “...Galterius Giphardus et Radulphus Toenites...” among those who took part in the battle of Hastings[2926]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia...Normannorum...signifer”, wishing to leave “in Hispaniam”, donated property to Ouche in reparation of the damage he had previously done by supporting “Ernaldi de Excalfoio” in burning the place, and in particular donated “in Angliam...duos mansiones...in Nortfuc...Caldecota, alteram...in Wigornensi provincia...Alwintona”[2927]. Odo Bishop of Bayeux bought "la terre de Chernet" from "Herberto de Agnellis", with the consent of "suo domino Radulfo de Conchis", by charter dated 30 Nov 1074[2928]. "Ralf de Conchis son of Roger de Toncio" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Evroul by charter dated to [1080], witnessed by "Rogerus de Clara, Galterus de Hispannia, Guillelmus de Paceio, Robertus de Remileio, Geroldus Gastinellus, Gillebertus Toroldi filius, Rogerus de Mucegros, et Galterus de Calvo Monte"[2929]. Domesday Book records land held by “Ralph de Tosny” in Charlton in Wantage Hundred in Berkshire; Flamstead in Danish Hundred and Westmill in Braughing Hundred in Hertfordshire; Charingworth, Icomb, Bromsberrow, Harnhill, Ampney and Lower Swell in Gloucestershire; several properties in Worcestershire; the castle of Clifford and several other properties in Herefordshire[2930]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Guillelmus” [Guillaume de Breteuil] gave “tria millia librarum” to “avunculo suo Radulpho” [Raoul [III] de Tosny] for his ransom as part of the peace settlement of the Evreux/Tosny war and appointed “Rogerium consobrinum suum Radulfi filium” as his heir[2931]. "Rodulfo de Conchis" consented to the donation of "decimam Ansfredi Villæ" to Sainte-Trinité de Rouen by "Gernagois et Albereda uxor eius, cum filiis suis Willelmo et Rotberto" by charter dated 1091[2932]. Orderic Vitalis records the death “IX Kal Apr” of “Radulfus senex [=Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia]” and his burial “in cœnobio B. Petri Castellionis”[2933]. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the confirmation by "Radulphus de Totteneio cum Godehilde matre mea" for the burial of "patris mei Rogerii", dated to [1130][2934]. Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][2935].

m ISABELLE de Montfort, daughter of SIMON de Montfort Seigneur de Montfort-l'Amaury & his first wife Isabelle de Broyes. Orderic Vitalis records that “Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia” kidnapped “Agnetem uterinam sororem suam, Ricardi Ebroicensium comitis filiam” by night and married her to “Simoni de Monteforti”, who in exchange granted “filiam eiusdem Simonis...Isabel” to Raoul[2936]. Her parentage is suggested by a charter dated 1160 under which Louis VII King of France confirmed donations to the abbey of Colombs near Nogent, including donations made by "Hugo Bardulfus castri Nouigenti…aliique eorum successores…Simon de Montisforti, et Radulfus iunior de Toneio et Rogerius filius eius…et Simon de Monteforti gener eius et successor"[2937]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Elizabeth...uxor et Rogerius atque Radulfus filii eius” consented to the donations to Ouche made by “Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia...Normannorum...signifer”[2938]. Dame de Nogent-le-Roi. Orderic Vitalis records the bitter dispute between “Helvisa...comitissa” and “Isabelem de Conchis”, adding that Helvise was “solers...et facunda, sed atrox et avara” and that in war she rode armed like a knight, while Isabelle was “dapsilis et audax atque jocosa...amabilis et grata”[2939]. After her husband died, Orderic Vitalis records that she repented "the mortal sin of luxury in which she had indulged in her youth" and became a nun at Haute-Bruyère[2940].

Raoul [III] & his wife had three children:

1. ROGER [II] de Tosny (-15 May [1093/95], bur Châtillon). Orderic Vitalis records that “Elizabeth...uxor et Rogerius atque Radulfus filii eius” consented to the donations to Ouche made by “Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia...Normannorum...signifer”[2941]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Guillelmus” [Guillaume de Breteuil] gave “tria millia librarum” to “avunculo suo Radulpho” [Raoul [III] de Tosny] for his ransom as part of the peace settlement of the Evreux/Tosny war and appointed “Rogerium consobrinum suum Radulfi filium” as his heir and that Guillaume Comte d´Evreux also named Roger as his heir[2942]. Orderic Vitalis records the death “Id Mai” of “Rogerius” [Roger [II] de Tosny] and his burial “Castellionis cum parentibus suis”, although it is difficult to identify the year from the context of the passage[2943].

2. RAOUL [IV] de Tosny (-[1126], bur Conches Saint-Pierre). Orderic Vitalis records that “Elizabeth...uxor et Rogerius atque Radulfus filii eius” consented to the donations to Ouche made by “Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia...Normannorum...signifer”[2944]. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the donation by "Radulphus junior filius Radulphi senioris de Totteneio", dated to [1130][2945]. Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][2946]. He succeeded his father in [1102] as Seigneur de Tosny. Orderic Vitalis records that, after the death of “Radulfus senex [=Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia]”, “Radulfus filius eius” succeeded in his father´s property[2947]. His date of death is calculated on the basis of Orderic Vitalis recording that, after the death of “Radulfus senex [=Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia]”, his son succeeded for about 24 years, adding that both were buried “in cœnobio B. Petri Castellionis”[2948]. .

m (1103) ADELISA of Huntingdon, daughter of WALTHEOF Earl of Huntingdon & his wife Judith de Lens [Boulogne] ([1073/76]-after [1126]). Her parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis, who also gives her marriage and names her two sons and indicates she had "several daughters" without naming them[2949]. Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the marriage of Alice younger daughter of Judith and "Rodolph de Tournay", her dowry being "the lordship of Wilchamstowe"[2950]. She inherited Walthamstow, Essex[2951]. “Aliz de Toeni” donated "ecclesiam de Welcomstowe" to “ecclesiæ S. Trinitatis Lond.”, for the soul of “Hugonis de Toeni filii mei qui ibidem jacet sepultus…Radulphi de Toeni mariti mei…et pro incolumitate filiorum meorum Rogeri de Toeni et Simonis et filiæ meæ Isabellæ", by undated charter[2952]. Raoul [IV] & his wife had [eight or more] children:

a) ROGER [III] de Tosny ([1104]-after 29 Sep 1158). Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the donation by "Rogerus de Totteneio filius Radulphi junioris", dated to [1130][2953]. Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][2954]. His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[2955]. see UNTITLED ENGLISH NOBILITY - TOSNY.

b) HUGUES (-young, bur London Holy Trinity). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[2956]. “Aliz de Toeni” donated "ecclesiam de Welcomstowe" to “ecclesiæ S. Trinitatis Lond.”, for the soul of “Hugonis de Toeni filii mei qui ibidem jacet sepultus…", by undated charter[2957].

c) SIMON de Tosny . “Aliz de Toeni” donated "ecclesiam de Welcomstowe" to “ecclesiæ S. Trinitatis Lond.”, for the soul of “…et pro incolumitate filiorum meorum Rogeri de Toeni et Simonis et filiæ meæ Isabellæ", by undated charter[2958].

d) ISABELLE de Tosny (-after [1158]). “Aliz de Toeni” donated "ecclesiam de Welcomstowe" to “ecclesiæ S. Trinitatis Lond.”, for the soul of “…et pro incolumitate filiorum meorum Rogeri de Toeni et Simonis et filiæ meæ Isabellæ", by undated charter[2959]. Isabel de Tosny widow of Walter FitzRichard donated property to Durnford, Wiltshire and to Salisbury Cathedral, confirmed by Henry II King of England by charter dated to before 1158. m WALTER FitzRichard, son of [RICHARD Lord of Clare and Tonbridge & his wife Rohese Giffard (-1138)].

e) several daughters . Their parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis, who does not name them[2960].

f) [MARGARET (-1185 or before). Eyton highlights that Margaret, wife of Walter [I] de Clifford, "is said, with probability, to have brought him Clifford Castle in frank-marriage, she being a daughter of Ralph de Toni, Domesday Lord of that castle"[2961]. Eyton implies, but does not actually state, that there is no primary source which confirms that this supposed parentage of Margaret is correct. He also says that "an equally probable account of the mode in which Clifford Castle left the sucession of the Toni is that Maud, wife of Richard fitz Ponce, was a daughter of Ralph de Toni". The chronology is not particularly favourable for Margaret to have been Raoul [IV] de Tosny´s daughter. Raoul´s children must have been born in the range [1104/15], given his marriage in 1103 and the narrow possible birth date range of his wife in [1073/76]. If Margaret was Raoul´s daughter, she would have been old when she died in or before 1185, and her husband even older when he died in 1190 assuming that he was about the same age as his wife. Let us compare this assessment with the approximate dates which can be assessed for the children of Walter [I] and his wife. Firstly, the couple´s grandson Walter [III] first appears in the records in 1208, presumably when he was a young adult, which would place his birth to [1180/90]. At that time, his father Walter [II] would have been over 40/50 years old if his maternal grandfather had been Raoul de Tosny. Secondly, Walter [I]´s great-granddaughter, granddaughter of his daughter Lucy, was probably born in [1190/96]: she was reported an infant on her first marriage in 1197, and her father died in [1196]. This would place Lucy´s birth in [1140/50], which would be on the late side if her maternal grandfather had been Raoul de Tosny (although not impossibly late). Thirdly, when these two cases are slotted together, it appears that Lucy was very likely older than her brother Walter [II]. If that is correct, the Tosny connection is even less likely, given her estimated birth date, if she was one of her parents´ older children. Another point to make is the absence of compatible onomastics for a Tosny marriage: none of Walter [I]´s children received typical Tosny names (Raoul/Ralph, Roger, Isabel, Adelisa, Godechilde). Walter [I]´s grandson was named Roger, but it is likely that he was named after his maternal grandfather (see UNTITLED ENGLISH NOBILITY). A last point of confusion is the reported marriage of Isabelle, another daughter of Raoul [IV] de Tosny, with another Walter FitzRichard (who is probably identified with the son of Richard Lord of Clare and Tonbridge, see above). If Margaret had also been Raoul´s daughter, this would lead to the improbable (although not impossible) coincidence that two of his daughters married two different individuals with the same name. In conclusion, the alleged Tosny connection of Walter [I] de Clifford remains something of a mystery but the proposed Tosny parentage of his wife Margaret does not appear to be the ideal explanation. m WALTER FitzRichard de Clifford, son of RICHARD FitzPons & his wife Matilda --- (-1190).]

g) GODECHILDE de Tosny (-17 Oct after 1143). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Rogerus [comes] Warwic...fratrum suorum natus post ipsum...Robertus de Novoburgo” married “sororem Rogerii de Toenio filiam secundi Rodulfi Godechildem” by whom he had “plures filios...Henricum et fratres eius”[2962]. According to Robert of Torigny[2963], this was the same Godechilde who married Baudouin de Boulogne King of Jerusalem, but he is clearly confusing her with her aunt of the same name who allegedly married Robert de Beaumont Comte de Meulan as her first husband[2964]. "Robert de Novoburgo" donated property to the abbey of Bec-Hellouin with the consent of his mother countess Margaret, his wife Godeheld and his sons Henry and Ralf, by charter dated 1143[2965]. The necrology of the church of Evreux records the death "17 Oct" of "Godeheut uxor domini Roberti de Novo Burgo"[2966]. m ROBERT de Neufbourg, son of HENRY de Beaumont Earl of Warwick & his wife Marguerite du Perche (-30 Aug [or 12 Sep] 1159).

3. GODECHILDE de Tosny (-Germanicea, Cilicia Oct 1097[2967]). Orderic Vitalis names “Godehildem” as the daughter of “Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia” and his wife “filiam...Simonis [de Montefort]...Isabel”, recording that she married firstly “Rodberto...Mellentensium comiti” and secondly “Balduino filio Boloniensium consulis Eustachii”[2968]. According to the Complete Peerage[2969], her first marriage is "highly improbable" as Godechilde was still a young girl when she married Baudouin de Boulogne in 1096, although it cannot be dismissed entirely as infant marriages were by no means unknown at the time. Orderic Vitalis makes no mention of any annulment of her alleged first marriage: it is possible that it went no further than a contract of betrothal. She left with her husband on crusade in 1096. Albert of Aix records that Kálmán King of Hungary demanded "Baldewinum fratrem ipsius ducis…uxorem quoque familiam eius" as hostages while the crusading army crossed through Hungary[2970]. William of Tyre records the death of "Gutueram" wife of Baudouin Count of Edessa at Maresia, and her burial there[2971]. Albert of Aix records the death "in regione Meresc" of "uxor Baldewini…quam de regno Angliæ ortam eduxit…Godwera" and her burial there, dated to late 1097 from the context[2972]. [m firstly as his first wife, ROBERT de Beaumont Comte de Meulan, Seigneur de Beaumont-le-Roger, son of ROGER de Vieilles Seigneur de Beaumont-le-Roger & his wife Adeline de Meulan ([1046]-5 or 6 Jun 1118, bur Préaux, monastery of Saint-Pierre).] m [secondly] ([1090/1096]) as his second wife, BAUDOUIN de Boulogne, son of EUSTACHE II Comte de Boulogne & his second wife Ida of Lower Lotharingia (-Al-Arish 2 Apr 1118, bur Jerusalem, Church of the Holy Sepulchre). He was chosen in 1100 to succeeded as BAUDOUIN I King of Jerusalem.

Sources:

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The following is information about Raoul III's family of origin, beginning with his father:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#RogerConchesdied1040 Updated March 2015

RAOUL [II] de Tosny, son of RAOUL [I] [de Tosny] & his wife --- . "…Rodulphi filii Rodulphi de Todeniaco…" subscribed the undated charter under which "Richardus…Normannorum comes" confirmed property of Lisieux[2853]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that Duke Richard appointed “Nigellum Constantinensem atque Rodulfum Toennensem et Rogerium filium eiusdem” as custodians of “castrum Tegulense” (Tillières {Verneuil, Eure}), which he had built to protect against attack by Eudes [II] Comte de Blois[2854]. m ---. The name of Raoul's wife is not known.

Raoul [II] & his wife had [four] children:

1. ROGER [I] de Tosny [Conches] ([990]-killed in battle [17 Jun] [1040], bur Conches). Guillaume of Jumièges records that Duke Richard appointed “Nigellum Constantinensem atque Rodulfum Toennensem et Rogerium filium eiusdem” as custodians of “castrum Tegulense” (Tillières {Verneuil, Eure}), which he had built to protect against attack by Eudes [II] Comte de Blois[2855]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rogerius Toenites de stirpe Malahulcii qui Rollonis ducis patruus fuerat” was “totius Normanniæ signifer“, that he travelled “in Hispaniam” when Duke Robert II went on pilgrimage to Jerusalem, returned after the accession of Duke Guillaume II but refused to serve him because of his ignoble birth, rebelled against him, destroyed property in particular that of “Humfridi de Vetulis” who eventually killed Roger [I] along with “duobus filiis suis Helberto et Elinantio”[2856]. The Chronici Hugonis Floriacensis names "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" when recording that he left Normandy for Spain[2857]. The Chronico S Petri Vivi Senonensi records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy for Spain with an army in 1015[2858]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Rogerius de Toenio” founded “cœnobium Castellionis alias de Conchis”[2859]. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", dated to [1130][2860]. "…Rogerii filii Radulfi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated "in comitatu Abrincatensi villam…Sancti Johannis" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[2861]. He left Normandy for Spain in [1030/35], fought against the Moors, and lived there for 15 years with his Spanish wife[2862]. "…Rodgerii filii Rodulfi…Rogerii de Conchis" subscribed the charter dated to [1040] under which "Vuillelmus Ricardi magni ducis Normannorum filius" donated property to the abbey of Jumièges[2863]. The apparent duplication of these names is difficult to explain. "…Nigelli vicecomitis, Tursteni vicecomitis…Willelmi Arcacensis comitis, Godefridi vicecomitis, Rodgerii filii Rodulfi, Wimundi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1040] under which Guillaume Comte de Talou donated property to Jumièges[2864]. Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][2865]. His death is dated to [17 Jun] because firstly Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Robertus de Grentesmaisnil” died in the same battle as “Rogerius [de Toenia]“[2866], and secondly the necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "17 Jun" of "Robertus de Grentemesnil"[2867]. His place of burial is confirmed by the charter dated to [1130] under which Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior…", quoting the confirmation by "Radulphus de Totteneio cum Godehilde matre mea" for the burial of "patris mei Rogerii"[2868].

[m firstly (1018 or soon after) ADELAIDA [Papia] de Barcelona, daughter of RAMÓN BORELL I Conde de Barcelona & his wife Ermesinde de Carcassonne. The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records that "Normanni duce Rotgerio", who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende…vidua" for the hand of her daughter, but does not name the latter[2869]. It is not clear that "dux Rotgerius" is Roger de Conches, particularly as it seems surprising that Adémar would have accorded him the title "dux". It is assumed that this marriage proposal took place in 1018 or soon after: if it had taken place much later, there would have been little reason to have referred to the bride's mother as "vidua". In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18. The Chronici Hugonis Floriacensis records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" married "sororem Raymundi-Berengarii Stephaniam" in Spain, specifying that she later married "rex Hispaniæ Garsias"[2870], but this account is even more confused and clearly conflates several different individuals. The Chronico S Petri Vivi Senonensi records the same marriage using the same wording[2871]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified.]

m [secondly] as her first husband, GODECHILDIS, daughter of ---. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", dated to [1130][2872]. The Miracles of Sainte-Foy recount her being cured of a serious illness by miracle, when she was still married to her first husband[2873]. She married secondly Richard Comte d'Evreux. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Richardus Ebroicensis comes filius Roberti Archiepiscopi” married “uxore Rogerii de Toenia” by whom he had “Willelmum qui nunc Ebroicensibus principatur”[2874]. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the donation by "Godehildis comitissa Ebroicæ civitatis, quondam uxor Rogerii de Totteneio" with the consent of "seniore meo comite Richardo", dated to [1130][2875].

Roger [I] & his [first/second] wife had four children:

a) HELBERT (-killed in battle [1040]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rogerius Toenites de stirpe Malahulcii qui Rollonis ducis patruus fuerat” rebelled against Duke Guillaume II and destroyed property, in particular that of “Humfridi de Vetulis” who eventually killed Roger [I] along with “duobus filiis suis Helberto et Elinantio”[2876]. b) HELINANT (-killed in battle [1040]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rogerius Toenites de stirpe Malahulcii qui Rollonis ducis patruus fuerat” rebelled against Duke Guillaume II and destroyed property, in particular that of “Humfridi de Vetulis” who eventually killed Roger [I] along with “duobus filiis suis Helberto et Elinantio”[2877]. c) VUASO . “...Vuaso filius Rogerii Tothennensis...” subscribed the charter under which Guillaume Duke of Normandy donated the church of Arques to Saint-Wandrille, dated to [1035/55][2878]. d) ADELISE (-6 Oct ----, bur Abbaye de Lyre). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus...filius Osberni, propinquus ducis Willelmi” founded “duo monasteriain honorem...Mariæ unum apud Liram...alterum apud Cormelias”, adding that he buried “Adelinam filiam Rogerii de Toenio uxorem suam” at Lyre[2879]. "Willelmo filio Osberni et…Ælicia eius uxore filia Rogeri de Thoneio" founded the abbey of Lyre by charter dated 1046[2880]. Robert of Torigny's De Immutatione Ordinis Monachorum records that "Willermus filius Osberni Normanniæ dapifer et cognatus Willermi ducis…Aelizam uxorem suam filiam Rogeri de Toeneio" was buried in the monastery of Lyre[2881]. The necrology of Lyre monastery records the death "6 Oct" of "Adeliz uxor Willelmi hujus loci fundatoris"[2882]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "6 Oct" of "mater Willelmi Britolii Adeliza"[2883]. m (before 1046) as his first wife, GUILLAUME FitzOsbern Seigneur de Breteuil, son of OSBERN de Crépon & his wife Emma d'Ivry (-killed in battle Cassel, Flanders 22 Feb 1071, bur Abbaye de Cormeilles).

Roger [I] & his [second] wife had two children:

e) RAOUL [III] de Tosny (-24 Mar[2884] [1102], bur Conches Saint-Pierre). “Radulphus de Tony cum Godehelde matre mea” donated property to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by undated charter[2885].

- see below.

f) ROBERT [III] de Tosny (-[1088], bur [Evesham Abbey]). Domesday Book records “Robert of Stafford” holding Denchworth in Wantage Hundred in Berkshire; “Robert de Tosny” holding Miswell in Tring Hundred and Barwythe in Danish Hundred in Hertfordshire; "Robert of Stafford" holding land in Oxfordshire; Stoneton in Northamptonshire [Warwickshire][2886]. The entries in Hertfordshire precede those which record the holdings of Raoul de Tosny in Hertfordshire, which suggests that they refer to the Robert Tosny/Stafford who was Raoul´s brother. Henry I King of England confirmed donations to Conches, including the donation of "ecclesiam de Octona" made by "Robertus de Stafort filius Rogerii de Totteneio" with the consent of "filio meo Nicholao", by charter dated to [1130][2887]. Robert´s connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the undated charter under which “Robertus de Stafford” confirmed donations to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by “avus meus Robertus de Toenio et pater meus Nicolaus de Stafford”[2888]. No indication has been found of the identity of Robert [III]´s mother, but assuming that he was legitimate the chronology suggests that he must have been born from his father´s [second] marriage. Lord of Stafford. see- ENGLISH NOBILITY – STAFFORD.


Sources

  • [2853] Le Prévost, A. ´Pouillés du diocèse de Lisieux´, Mémoires de la Société des antiquaires de Normandie, 2e Série, 3ème Volume (1842-43), p. 9, footnote 5.
  • [2854] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber V, X, p. 253.
  • [2855] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber V, X, p. 253.
  • [2856] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, III, p. 268.
  • [2857] Chronici Hugonis Floriacensis, RHGF X, p. 223.
  • [2858] Clarii, Chronico Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensi 1015, MGH SS XXVI, p. 30.
  • [2859] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, I, p. 12.
  • [2860] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
  • [2861] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 9, p. 10.
  • [2862] CP XII/1, p. 756, article Tony, and Chavanon, J. (ed.) (1897) Adémar de Chabannes, Chronique (Paris), Book III, c. 55.
  • [2863] Jumièges, Tome I, XX, p. 63.
  • [2864] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 16, p. 17.
  • [2865] Actes Henri II, Tome I, CCCCXXIII, p. 550.
  • [2866] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, IV, p. 269.
  • [2867] RHGF XXIII, Ex Uticensis monasterii necrologio, p. 487.
  • [2868] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
  • [2869] Adémar de Chabannes, Chronique, III, 55, p. 178.
  • [2870] Chronici Hugonis Floriacensis, RHGF X, p. 223.
  • [2871] Clarii, Chronico Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensi 1015, MGH SS XXVI, p. 31.
  • [2872] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
  • [2873] Liber Miraculorum sancte Fidis, ed. A. Bouillet (Paris, 1897), pp. 144-5, quoted and trans. by Houts (2000), p. 214.
  • [2874] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, IV, p. 269.
  • [2875] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
  • [2876] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, III, p. 268.
  • [2877] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, III, p. 268.
  • [2878] Saint-Wandrille, 17, p. 59.
  • [2879] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXII, p. 278.
  • [2880] Neustria Pia, p. 535.
  • [2881] Robert de Torigny, Vol. II, p. 198.
  • [2882] RHGF XXIII, Ex Obituario Lirensis monasterii, p. 474.
  • [2883] RHGF XXIII, Ex Uticensis monasterii necrologio, p. 489.
  • [2884] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. III, Book V, p. 129.
  • [2885] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire III, p. 995.
  • [2886] Domesday Translation, Berkshire, XLII, p. 154, Hertfordshire, XXI, p. 382, Oxfordshire, XXVII, pp. 433-4, Northamptonshire, XXVII, p. 609.
  • [2887] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128, 131.

(the above is from Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands Database)

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He is labelled as Raoul II by Wikipedia:

Raoul II of Tosny

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Raoul II de Tosny[1] seigneur de Conches-en-Ouche[2] (died 1102) was a Norman nobleman of the House of Tosny, son of Roger I of Tosny. He was active in Normandy, England and Wales.

Victor at Hastings in 1066

He is one of the very few proven Companions of William the Conqueror known to have fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066.[3] Tradition says he gave up the role of standard bearer, his hereditary office, to Walter Giffard, in order to be able to fight closer to William, duke of Normandy.[4]

Marriage

He married Isabel de Montfort, daughter of Simon I de Montfort. There was a feud with Guillaume d'Evreux and his wife Helvise de Nevers, recorded by Ordericus Vitalis.[5] This came to open war in 1091–92, when Guillaume attacked Conches. A settlement was reached.[6] They later co-operated in attacking Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester's county of Meulan.

In England

He had widely spread holdings, as recorded in the Domesday Survey. His seat was at Flamstead in Hertfordshire.[7] He held Clifford Castle. It is also believed that he held assets in the village of Hose, Leicestershire, which was split into two manors, Tosny's and that of the title holder of the Norman Belvoir Castle.

Family

  • Robert de Stafford was his brother.
  • His second son, Raoul IV de Conches, was his surviving heir. He married Alice of Huntingdon, daughter of Waltheof, Earl of Northumbria, and Judith of Lens.[8]
  • His daughter Godehilde married Baldwin I of Jerusalem.

Notes

  1. Ralph Tosny, Ralph de Toeni, Ralph de Tonei, Ralph de Tony, Ralph de Toni, Ralph de Todeni, Ralph de Tosney, Raoul de Conches, Raoul de Toeny, Raf Thoney, Rafe de Tosny.
  2. Conches-en-Ouche
  3. [1], [2]
  4. [3], PDF, in French, p.80.
  5. Cawley, Charles, Jerusalem, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, retrieved August 2012,[better source needed]
  6. Frank Barlow, William Rufus (1983) p.286.
  7. The Domesday Book Online - Landowners S-T
  8. My Lines - Person Page 107

References

  • Normandy portal
  • Remfry, P.M., Clifford Castle, 1066 to 1299 (ISBN 1-899376-04-6)

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Ralph de Tosny of Flamstead1

b. between 1025 and 1030, d. 24 March 1101/2

Father seigneur de Tosni et Conches Roger de Tosny I2 b. circa 990, d. 1038/39

Mother Godeheut (?)3

Also called Ralph III de Conches.3 Also called Ralph de Tosny III.3 Ralph de Tosny of Flamstead was born between 1025 and 1030 at Tosny, Eure, Normandy, France. The older brother.2,4 He was the son of seigneur de Tosni et Conches Roger de Tosny I and Godeheut (?).2,3 Ralph de Tosny of Flamstead was banner-bearer of the Normans.3 He was at the Duke's court in 1050.3 He took part in William's victory over the French at Mortemer and was sent by the Duke to alarm the King of France with the news in 1054.3 He married Isabel de Montfort-l'Amaury, dame de Nogent, daughter of Simon I, seigneur de Montfort and Isabeau de Broyes, dame de Nogent.5,6,7 Ralph de Tosny of Flamstead was a witness where Simon I, seigneur de Montfort took a leading part in persuading Duke William to recall Ralph de Tosny and Hugh de Grandmesnil from exile in 1063.8 Ralph de Tosny of Flamstead was recalled from exile by the efforts of Simon, 2nd Seigneur de Montfort, in 1063. He took part in the invasion of England and fought at the Battle of Hastings, but not the banner-bearer as that honor went to Turstin FitzRou, on 14 October 1066.3 He had holdings in seven southern, East Anglian and Home counties in 1086 at England.2 Lord of Clifford Castle at Hertfordshire, England, in 1086.2 He died on 24 March 1101/2.9 Ralph de Tosny of Flamstead was buried in Conches.9

Family

  • Isabel de Montfort-l'Amaury, dame de Nogent b. circa 1055?

Children

  • Roger de Tosny II b. c 1074?, d. c 15 May 10919
  • Radulf II de Tosny+ b. c 1078, d. c 112610

Citations

[S1278] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, pg. 740.

[S643] E.Domesday, online http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/book.html

[S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XII/1:Tony:757.

[S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XII/1:Tony:757, 1025-30.

[S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, VII:App.D:711.

[S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XII/1:Tony:759.

[S1278] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, pg. 596.

[S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, VII:App.D:710.

[S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XII/1:Tony:760.

[S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XII/1:Tony:760/1.

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THe following seems to be a paraphrased summary of information from, or at least from the same source as, Harrison Dwight Cavanagh's COLONIAL CHESAPEAKE FAMILIES: British Origins and Descendants, Volume 2 (Xlibris, 2014), p. 531 [on Google Books]

He was banner-bearer of the Normans, and in 1050 was atthe Duke's court.In 1054 he participated in the victory over the French at Mortemer, andwas sent by William to alarm the King of France with the news. About1060 he, Hugh de Grandmesnil and Ernald d'Echauffour were deprived of theirinheritances and banished. In revenge he and Ernald burned the town of St. Evroul, but in 1063 they were recalled and their lands restored. Hewas summoned to acouncil upon the death of Edward the Confessor and thecoronation of Harold asKing of England, and he fought at the Battle of Hastings.

He established his residence at Flamsted, Hertfordshire, but was given estates in many counties. About 1078 he supported Robert Curthose against the King, and in 1080 he went on pilgrimage to Spain, returning to give gifts to the abbey of St. Evroul. In 1081 he was with the King at Winchester; after William's death in 1087 he was one of the Norman nobles who expelled royal garrisons from their castles. In 1088 he served in the war against Maine. When his wife angered her sister-in-law, the Count of Evreux laid seige against Conches; this was broken with the help of adherents of William Rufus. After the death of Rufus he and the Count of Evreux invaded the Count of Meulan's barony of Beaumont in August 1100, in retaliation for intrigues with the king against them. (Marlyn Lewis and "Complete Peerage" by Cokayne; Carl Boyer at cboyer@sosinet.net)

Ralph [de Toeni], usually called Ralph de Conches; participated in Norman invasion of England 1066; being accordingly granted lands in Berks, Essex, Glos, Herefs, Herts, Norfolk, and Worcs; married Elizabeth/Isabel, daughter of Simon de Montfort, Seigneur of Montfort l'Amaury, and died 24 March, probably 1101/2. [Burke's Peerage]

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from http://www.geneajourney.com/toeni.html

RALPH DE TOENI III, styled more usually DE CONCHES, son and heir, by Godeheut, was born probably about 1025-30. He was banner-bearer of the Normans. In 1050 he was at the Duke's Court. In 1054 he took part in William's victory over the French at Mortemer and was sent by the Duke toalarm the King of France with the news. About 1060 Ralph, Hugh deGrandmesnil and Ernald d'Echauffour were deprived of their inheritance bythe Duke and banished. In revenge Ernald and Ralph made incursions intoNormandy and burnt the town of St. Evroul; but in 1063 they were recalledand their lands were restored. Ralph was one of the nobles summoned to acouncil when the Duke heard of the death of Edward the Confessor and thecoronation of Harold; and he took part in the invasion of England andfought at the Battle of Hastings. At some time between the battle and theDomesday survey in 1086 the Conqueror gave him estates in the counties ofBerks, Essex, Gloucester, Hereford, Herts, Norfolk andWorcester, with thecastle of Clifford, co. Hereford, which had been built on waste land byWilliam FitzOsbern, 1st Earl of Hereford; but his caput baroniae was atFlamstead, Herts. Before 30 November 1074 he assented to the Bishop ofBayeux's purchase of land from his tenant Herbert de Agnellis. About 1078he supportedRobert Courtheuse against the King. Probably about 1080 hewent on a pilgrimage to Spain; and on his safe return, as he hadpromised, he made gifts to the abbey of St. Evroul, in recompense forhaving helped Ernald d'Echauffour to burn the town. In 1081 he was withthe King at Winchester. After William's death in 1087 he was one of theNorman nobles who expelled the royal garrisons from theircastles. In 1088he served under Duke Robert in the war against Maine.

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Raoul III (II) de Tosny, Seigneur de Conches, Lord of Flamstead's Timeline

1029
1029
Flamstead or Dacorum District, Hertfordshire, England
1077
1077
Age 48
Tosny, France
1079
1079
Age 50
Flamstead, Herefordshire, England
1081
1081
Age 52
Tosny, France
1086
1086
Age 57
Tosni, , France
1102
1102
Age 73
Conches-en-Ouches, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
1102
Age 73
Conches-en-Ouches, Eure, Haute Normandie, France
1934
October 17, 1934
Age 73
October 17, 1934
Age 73
October 17, 1934
Age 73