Robert de Lisle

(20 January 1289/90 - 4 January 1343/44)

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Robert De Lisle

    See Cockayne for details of his career.

He was a minor when his father died, eventually allotted Harewood as heir of the Fitzgerald blood following claim of Hugh de Courtenay to the Redvers estate. He was a distinguished soldier, was created Knight Banneret for gallantry in the field and summoned to parliament as Baron de L'Isle of Rougemont from 1311 to 1342. In the latter year on the death of his wife, he assumed the habit of the religious and himself died a few months later.

    Took holy orders on the death of his wife after settling some of his estates on Alice daughter of Robert de L'Isle, Elizabeth Peverall & Richard Bayeaux for life, the rest to John son of Robert de L'Isle & his heirs. In 1336 the manor of Harewood was worth 40 marks per annum.

    In 1337 granted Harewood to his son John. Robert de Insula presents to the church of Harewood Dec 1310 " " " " " " 1335 Dec 1310, 1321, 1335 Patron of Church after Rex therefore he was first inheritor of Harewood.

He entered the Franciscan Order as priest [Cokayne p.73].

Had land at Rampton, Cotenham & Westwyk, with the advowson of the church of Wynepol, (all at Cambs) but alienated them before he assumed the habit of religion to .... Also had land at Heyford Waryn Oxford, & Pisshobury Hertford. [Farrer Vol 3 p 172-3]. Robert de Lisle bore arms: Gules, a lyon passant gardant argent crowned or. Robert de Lisle, of Rougement, baron 1311, appears to be referred to in the first entry. Sir John, his son or grandson, knighted the the capitulation of Calais 1348. Sir Gerard and Sir Warin, of Rutland, both bore the arms at the first Dunstable tournament 1308. Parliamentary roll ascribed to another Gerard in Dering Roll. They are also ascribed to Sir Foulk in Harliean Roll. He was born on 20 January 1289/90 at Camelton, Bedfordshire. He was born on the feast of SS Fabian & Sebastian [1291] aged 6 on next feast SS Fabian etc. [Confusion as 2 separate Inq. give conflicting dates 1288/9 & 1290/91].

21 March 1809/10 Writ giving proof of age at Bedford, 3 Edw II #229: Born at Camelton on Feast of SS Fabian & Sebastian 16 Edw I, and baptised at All Saints there on the morrow (therefore 1288/9), it also mentions his mother Alice, Rytheric de J ..., Joceline, & Andrew de Tong who had the wardship of the lands etc. of the said Robert's inheritance did not come nor oppose anything re his proof of age. He was christened on 21 January 1289/90 at All Saints, Camelton. He was the son of Warin de Lisle and Alice de Montfort. Robert de Lisle was the heir of Robert de Lisle at the Inquisition Post Mortem held on 7 December 1296. Writ 7 Dec 25 1296 Edward I: Suffolk: Inq. made at Semere on Wednesday after SS Fabian & Sebastian, Suffolk: Noddinge: The manor (extent given) held of the Bishop of Ely by service of 2 knights frees; and 4d ought to be paid yearly too the hundred of Cosford, and 3d to the parson of Bildeston. He demised the manor two years ago to Hervey de Stanton for life.

Inq. made at Fynebergh, 4 Jan 25 Edw I, 1296/7. The manor (extent given) wherof the said Warin de Insula and Alice his wife, who still survives, were enfeoffed jointly by one Nicholas de Charterey to them and the heirs of the said Warin and of the chief lords, viz. of the heirs of the Sir Robert de Mucegros, by service of a knights fee; and the said Alice remained in seisin with her husband until his death, and afterwards until the manor was taken into the King's hand. Robert his son, aged 6 years on the feast of Ss Fabian & Sebastian next, is his next heir.

Cambridge: Inq made at Cambridge on the day of St Thomas the Apostle, 25 Edw I. Rampstone. The manor (extent given) including rents at Wynepol pertaining thereto, the advowson of the church at Wynepole, and a fisher, held jointly as above, by the enfeoffment of the said Nicholas, of Geoffrey de Burdeleys by service of 1 3/4 knight's fee.

Cotenham. The manor held of the bishop of Ely by service of a moiety of a knight's fee.

Coveney with Maneye. The manor held in socage of the prior of Ely by service of 5sh. Heir as above.

Bedford: Inq. made at Sheford on Saturday after St Thomas the Apostle, 25 Edw I.

Kamelton. The manor (extent given), including 15 acres fo wood devastated in the time of the said Warin, held of the king in chief, as an escheat fo the lands etc late of the countess of Albemarle, by service of 1/2 knight's fee; and Nicholasd de Meperdeshale ought to received 2d yearly for 4 acres of meadow, and Nicholas Tuppeest (?) 2d. Heir as above, aged 6 years and more.

Writ (ad melius inquirendum) because by the previous inquisition it does not appear whether the manor of Kamelton was held of the dower of the countess of the lands late of William de Fortibus, her husband, or of the lands of her own inheritance, 25 June 25 Edw I.

Bedford: Inq. made at Sefford on Friday after Ss Peter & Paul, 25 Edw I.

Camelton. The said Warin held the manor of the escheat of the lands which were of the said countess, which she held of her own inheritance, by service of 1/2 knight's fee; and the countess held of the earl of Gloucester by the said service, as is believed, of 1/2 knight's fee.

    Robert de Lisle married Margaret de Beauchamp, daughter of Walter de Beauchamp Lord of Powke and Alice de Toni, circa 1301. A published abstract of a Cambridgeshire fine indicates that the marriage of Sir Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp took place before 1315/16, as indicated below :

1. 138c.Date: 9 Edward II [1315-1316]. Robert de Insula and Margaret his wife v. William de Risheton in Cotenham and Westwyk.

    In 1307, writ of Richard son & heir of Adam de Stubhouse to take lands of his father who held by Knights service of the heir of Warin de Insula, now in the King's wardship 24 May 1 Edw II.

    He was found heir to Isabel, Countess of Albemarle in 1309, and Harewood and Kirkby Overblow delivered to him 1310.

The castle and manor of Rougemont in Harewood, came to the first Lord as part of his share of the ineritance of Isabel, Countess of Aumale, who had held as heiress of FitzGerald, de Curcy and Romelli

In July 1310 he obtained possession of the manors Heyford Warin and Newenham Oxon, Pysobury Herts, Harewood & Kirkby Overblow Yorks. Robert was summoned to parliament as Baron 19 Dec 1311 to 25 Feb 1342. He was the heir of Robert de Lisle at the Inquisition Post Mortem held on 13 March 1312. Isabel de Fortibus, sometime Countess of Albemarle. Writ to the escheator. Whereas before the justices of oyer and terminer it was agreed that, of the lands etc. that were of the said Isabel, the manor of Hayford Warin, co. Oxford, excepting 2 1/2 virgates land, and the manors of Passebury, co. Hertford, and Harwode & Kirkeby, co. York, excepting a messuage and 1 carucate land in Lofthous in Harewode, ought to descend to Robert de Insula, as her next heir of the inheritance of Margery, the wife of Baldwin de Vernoun, her grandmother; and that the manor of Newenham, co. Oxford, 2 1/2 virgates land in Hayford Warin, and a messuage and 1 carucate land in Lofthous, ought to descend to Hugh de Curtenay, as her next heir of the inheritance of the said Baldwin her grandfather; he is to enquire whether the advowson fo the church of Briggeham, co. Cumberland, which was of the said Isabel, pertains to the said Hugh or to the said Robert, 13 March, 5 Edw II.

Cumberland. Inq. Saturday 8 April, 5 Edw II.

Brigham. The advowson of the church is not of the inheritance of the said Baldwin nor of that of the said Margery, but one Thomas de Hothwayt who married Joan daughter of one of the heirs of John de Brigham, sometime lord of the manor and advowson of Brigha, and who, after the said Joan's death, held a moiety of the same by the courtesy of England, by fine levied before the justices of King Henry III, quitclaimed the said advowson to the said countess and heirs for ever; by reason whereof she was seised of the advowson at alternate turns, and Hugh de Curtenay who is her nearest kinsman on the side of her said grandfather, and not Robert de Insula, is her next heir of this advowson , because she thus acquired it, and by reason of the dignity of male blood.

    John de Beaufou petitioned the King and council. John de Beaufou states that as the king was given to understand that Robert Peverel and Walter de Langton, formerly Bishop of Coventry and Lichfield, held of him in chief as of his crown, the king seized the body of Edmund, son and heir of Robert, and kinsman and heir of Walter, being under age, into his hand, together with his lands and tenements, and granted the keeping of the lands and the marriage of the heir to Robert del Idle (L'Isle). By virtue of this commission, Robert del Idle has seized Walter de Langton's lands in Ashley, although they are held not of the king but of John de Beaufou - as is proved by inquest returned in Chancery. John asks that the grant be repealed with regard to these tenements and the marriage of the heir, and that justice be done to him, according to the form of the inquests.

    In 1324 he held lands Berks, Cambs, Herts, Suffolk, Yorks & Beds also but he did not reside there.

Robert de Lisle The Lay subsidy rolls in the time of Edward III (one probably in the first year of his reign lists at Harwood - Roberto de Insula at head of 5-6 others in 1326 at Harewood.

    In 1332 he donated to Arthington Nunnery for the good of the soul of Margaret his wife.

Robert de Lisle, Margaret de Beauchamp and Alice de Toni was mentioned in a document dated 1334.

    In 1337 he had granted the manor of Harewood to John his younger son to enable him the better to serve the King in his wars. See Speights "Kirkby Overblow and district p.29 for the King's writs to deliver seisin to the claimants. He granted property to John de Lisle 2nd Baron in 1337 at Harewood. (10 Edw III) He was granted Harewood by his father to better serve the King: "his father Robert being disposed to give him 400 marks p.a. of land, to serve the King with 6 men-at-arms in his wars; the King to gratify the said Robert, and the better to support his son, granted that the said Robert and his heirs: and some years after, his brother Robert released to him and his heirs all his right in the said manor, and in the advowdson of the church there. Being thus provided for, he attended the King in his first voyage to France, by way of Flanders 1340, and was in the Battle fought near Vironfosse. Two years after he went into Aquitaine in the King's service; and in the year ensuing he attended the King in Bretagne, while the King foraged the country and laid siege to Dinant. "For his good services done the King, he granted him a pension of 200 pounds p.a. for his life, to support his dignity of Bannaret, of which sum 120 pounds was assigned from the Priory of St Neots at Stoke, next Clare, and 80 pounds out of that of Eye, these were afterwards changed for other benefits".

    Edmund Peverel or Peverele: Lincolnshire (includes petition by Robert de Lyle regarding the wardship of Edmund's heir John, and two letters from the king to the chancellor touching this matter), 12 Edward III.

    Robert de Lyle petitioned the King.

Other people mentioned: [Henry of Lancaster], Earl of Lancaster; John Peverel, son and heir of Edmund Peverel; Edmund Peverel; John de Stonore (Stonor). Lyle requests the king's aid in the case between him and the earl of Lancaster, the earl challenging his right to the wardship and marriage of John Peverel, though he has no right in the same.

Endorsement: This letter came 24 day of January, 12 [Edward III]..

    Robert de Lisle and Robert de Lisle were mentioned in a deed dated 1340 at the manor, Kirkby Overblow. At Westminster, Quindene of Michaelmas, 14 Edward III (1340). Thomas de Insula, quer., Robert de Insula, def., of the manor of Kireby Orblower, except the advowson of the church thereof: To hold (subject to the life estate of William de Risshton) to Thomas and the heirs male of his body, paying yearly to Robert and his heirs one rose at the Nativity of St John the Baptist for all service to them, and doing all other services to the chief lords; remainder to Robert son the said Robert de Insula for life: remainders in succession to Robert and John, sons of the said John, and the heirs male of their bodies; reversion to Robert de Insula and his heirs. William [de Risshton] was present and consenting, and did fealty.

In 1340 Robert de Lisle sold property. Comprising the manor of Kirkby Overblow by a fine: 1340 at Westminster: Thomas de Insula, quer., Robert de Insula, def. of the manor of Kirkby Orblower, except the advowson of the church thereof: To hold (subject to the life estate of William de Risshton) to Thomas and the heirs male of his body, paying yearly to Robert and his heirs one rose at the Nativity of St John the Baptist for all service to them, and doing all other services to the chief lords; remainder to Robert son of the said Robert de Insula for life; remainder to John son the said Robert de Insula for life; remainders in succession to Robert and John, sons of the said John, and the heirs male of their bodies; reversion to Robert de Insula and his heirs. William [de Risshton] was present and consenting, and did fealty. An unknown person was the subject of an Inquisition on 23 March 1341/42. Robert del Isle. Writ to the escheator of co. Cambs, etc. to inquire what lands etc. the said Robert held on the day when he was professed in an order of religion etc 23 March 16 Edw III.

Cambs: Inq. taken at Cottenham, 23 April - He held no lands. etc in the county on the day he was professed.

John his son aged 24 & more, is his next heir.

Similar writ to the escheator whi is also to inquire whether the said Robert alienated any lands etc to anyone 3 May 16 Edw III.

Cambs: Inq. taken at Holytone 15 May. Manors of Ramptone, Cotenham & Westwyk & advowdson of church of Wynepol, but alienated them to Alice, daughter of Robert de Insula, Elizabeth Peverell, Richard de Baiocis, Wm de Ruston, Edmunde de Benhale & Henry Ewenny, to hold to them, during their lives, of the said Robert & his heirs, doing the serviced thereto pertaining to the chief lords of that fee, with remainder to John, his son, as appears in a fine levied inthe king's court. The said manor of Rampton is held of John Burdeleys, as of the manor of Maddyngle, by knight's service. The manor of Cotenham is held of the bishop of Ely, by knight's service. The manor of Westwyck and the advowson fo the church of Wynepol, with a certain manor in the town of Great Wilburgham, which the said Robert, before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated to the said John, his son and heir, are held of the earl of Brittany, by service of a sore sparrow-hawk, or half a mark yearly. The said Robert, who held the manor of Coveneye, alienated it long before he assumed the habit of religion, to the aforesaid Alice, etc. to hold to them, for their lives, of the said Robert and his hiers, with remainder to John his son, as appears by fine levied in the king's court. The said manor of Coveneye is held of the prior and convent of Ely, as in socage and by service of 5s yearly. He held no lands etc. in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion.

    Similar writ to the escheator in co. Oxford, etc. 3 May.

Oxford: Inq. taken at Oxford, 18 May. Hayford Warin. The said Robert, long before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated the manor oto the said Alice etc for their lives, by fine levied in the king's court, at Westminster, 3 weeks from the day of St Michael, 13 Edw III; and it is held of the earl of Cornwall by service of a fifth part of a knight's fee. He held no lands etc. in the bailiwick on the day he was professed. John his son, aged 24 years is his next heir.

Similar writ to the escheator in co. Essex etc. 3 May.

Essex. Inq. taken at Herllawe 17 May. He held no lands etc. in fee in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion or before.

Hertford. Inq. taken at Ware, 15 May 16 Edw III:

Pysshobury. He held the manor, but long before he assumed the habit of religion he alienated the same to Alice & Elizabeth, daughters of Robert de Isle, Richard de Bayeuse, William de Russhton, Edmund de Benhale and Henry Ewenay, to hold to them for their lives, of the chief lords of that fee, by the accustomed services, with remainder to John his son, to hold for life as above, with further successive remainders to Robert, son of the said John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above, and to John brother of the said Robert, son of John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above. The manor is held of Geoffrey de Say, Knight, by service of three knights' fees and three-quarters.

He held no lands etc. in the country of the day he assumd the habit of religion.

John his son, aged 23 years and more, is his next heir. An unknown person was the subject of an Inquisition on 23 March 1343. Robert del Isle - Writs to enquire what lands etc the said Robert held on the day when he professed in an order of religion 23 Mar 16 Edw III [c1343]. John his son aged 24 years & more is his next heir; similar writ to the escheator who is also to enquire what lands were alienated prior 3 May 16 Edw III; alienated land to Alice daughter of Robert de Insula, Elizabeth Peverell, Richard de Baiocis, Wm de Ruston, Edmund de Benhale & Henry Ewenny .... during the lives of the said Robert & his heirs ... to Alice & Elizabeth daughter of Robert de Lisle & etc. with remainder to John his son, with succession remainder to Robert, son of said John & to John, brother of the said Robert, son of John ....Re lands at Cambs, Oxford & Hertford. Lands held of Earl of Brittany.

    Robert died on 4 January 1343/44 at London aged 53. He was buried after 4 January 1343/44 at All Saints Franciscan church, London.

Children of Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp

   * Alice de Lisle b. s 1315

   * John de Lisle 2nd Baron+ b. b Mar 1318, d. 14 Oct 1355

   * Robert de Lisle b. b 1320

   * Elizabeth de Lisle+ b. s 1322, d. a 1343/44

   * George de Lisle b. s 1325, d. b 1343