Roger de Montgomery (de Montgomerie), Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury (1022 - 1094) MP

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Nicknames: "Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel", "Roger II", "Seigneur de Montgommery", "Vicomte de l'Hiémois", "Roger /de Montgomery/", "Earl of Chichester"
Birthplace: 1022 in Saint-Germain-DE-Montgommery, Calvados, Normandy, France
Death: Died in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Occupation: Earl of Arundel & Shrewsbury Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Bet 1074 and 1094, Governor of Normandy Haute-Normandie, France, 1st Early of Shrewsbury, Norman opportunist, Ist Earl of Shrewsbury
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About Roger de Montgomery (de Montgomerie), Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury

ROGER [II] de Montgommery

From Medlands:

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son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey[426]).  Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[427].  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rogerum de Montgommeri" as son of "Iosceline"[428].  His father's name is confirmed by the charter dated to [1079/82] under which "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased"[429].  He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte de l'Hiémois.  "…Rogerii de Monte Gomerici…" witnessed the charter dated to [1055] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated property to the abbey of Marmoutier[430].  "…Willelmi filii Osberti, Rotgerii de Monte Golmerii, Richardis vicecomitis Abrinchensis…" witnessed the charter dated [1055/56] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy "in pago…Constantino, villam…Flotomannum" to Saint-Florent de Saumur[431].  The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Rogero de Montgumeri" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066[432].  He remained in Normandy at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066 to assist Duchess Mathilde to govern the duchy[433], but accompanied King William I to England in Dec 1067.  The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, records that William I King of England made "le Conte Rogier de Montgomery et Guillaume le filz Osber" his two "Marechaulx d´Engleterre" after the conquest of England[434].  A charter dated 1066 records his pardoning the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen for a calumny[435].  Orderic Vitalis records that King William gave him "first of all Arundel castle and the town of Chichester"[436], afterwards creating him Earl of Shrewsbury [1/4] Dec 1074, presumably with the intention of strengthening the defence of the western part of the country against Welsh incursions.  As "Rogerus comes Salosberiensis" he witnessed a charter of King William I giving the barony of Plessis to the church of Bayeux dated 24 Dec 1074[437].  Sire d'Alençon.  Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury.  "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][438].  He allied himself with Robert Duke of Normandy at the time of the latter's rebellion against King William II in 1089[439].

m firstly ([1050/54]) MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge --- (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[440]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[441]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[442]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][443]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[444]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[445].

m secondly ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---. Orderic Vitalis names Adelais, daughter of Everard du Puiset, as second wife of Roger de Montgommery and says that she was "remarkable for her gentleness and piety"[446].

Earl Roger & his first wife had ten children

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No record of who wrote the following or what their sources were, if any but according to Medlands it is evident that he did not die in Scotland and although he was given Arundel Castle he is not recorded as being called the 'Earl of Arundel' (Terry Jackson Curator 22 Oct. 2011)

Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel was the progenitor of Clan Montgomery a Lowland Clan in Scotland of Anglo-Norman origin. This clan was famous for their involvment in one of the longest fueds in Scotland with Clan Cunningham. Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel was also known as Roger Montgomerie. He married Mabel Talvas. Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel was born circa 1030. He died on 27 July 1094 at Scotland. -------------------- Roger II de Montgommery (Montgomerie, Montgomery), the first Earl of Shrewsbury

Parents: Roger I de Montgomery and Josceline, Sainsfrida's daughter Spouses: A: Mabile d'Alençon, Ten Children: 1. Roger 2. Robert 3. Hugues (Hugh) 4. Roger "le Poitevin" (married Almodis) 5. Philippe 6. Arnoul 7. Emma 8. Matilde (married Robert de Mourtaigne) 9. Mabile 10. Sibylle


B: Adelais de Puiset

LINKS http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc254886762 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury

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ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey[410]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[411]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rogerum de Montgommeri" as son of "Iosceline"[412]. His father's name is confirmed by the charter dated to [1079/82] under which "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased"[413]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte de l'Hiémois. "…Rogerii de Monte Gomerici…" witnessed the charter dated to [1055] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated property to the abbey of Marmoutier[414]. "…Willelmi filii Osberti, Rotgerii de Monte Golmerii, Richardis vicecomitis Abrinchensis…" witnessed the charter dated [1055/56] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy "in pago…Constantino, villam…Flotomannum" to Saint-Florent de Saumur[415]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Rogero de Montgumeri" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066[416]. He remained in Normandy at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066 to assist Duchess Mathilde to govern the duchy[417], but accompanied King William I to England in Dec 1067. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, records that William I King of England made "le Conte Rogier de Montgomery et Guillaume le filz Osber" his two "Marechaulx d´Engleterre" after the conquest of England[418]. A charter dated 1066 records his pardoning the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen for a calumny[419]. Orderic Vitalis records that King William gave him "first of all Arundel castle and the town of Chichester"[420], afterwards creating him Earl of Shrewsbury [1/4] Dec 1074, presumably with the intention of strengthening the defence of the western part of the country against Welsh incursions. As "Rogerus comes Salosberiensis" he witnessed a charter of King William I giving the barony of Plessis to the church of Bayeux dated 24 Dec 1074[421]. Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][422]. He allied himself with Robert Duke of Normandy at the time of the latter's rebellion against King William II in 1089[423].

m firstly ([1050/54]) MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge --- (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[424]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[425]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[426]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][427]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[428]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[429].

m secondly ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---. Orderic Vitalis names Adelais, daughter of Everard du Puiset, as second wife of Roger de Montgommery and says that she was "remarkable for her gentleness and piety"[430].

Earl Roger & his first wife had ten children:

1. ROGER de Montgommery (-[before 1060/62]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées[431].

2. ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" ([1052/56]-[Wareham Castle] 1 or 8 May 1118 or [after 1129], bur [Wareham Castle]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[432]. He is referred to as his mother's "first-born son" by Orderic Vitalis, who says his "name is now a byword for his cruelty to the wretched peasantry"[433]. "…Rogerus de Monte Gomeri…Robertus filius Rogeri de Monte Gomeri…" witnessed the charter dated to [1060] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy granted "Brenerias" to the abbey of Bayeux[434]. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées with his brother Roger431, and a charter for Saint Aubin of Angers in [1060/62] without Roger[435], suggesting that the latter had died by then. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][436]. He succeeded his mother in 1079 as Sire de Bellême et d'Alençon. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[437]. He rebelled against William II King of England in 1088, crossed to England but was besieged at Rochester Castle and in Jun 1088 forced to surrender[438]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[439]. He succeeded his father in 1094 in all his possessions in Normandy[440]. He succeeded his younger brother in 1098 as Earl of Shrewsbury after a payment of £3000[441]. He succeeded his father-in-law in Oct 1100 as Comte de Ponthieu. Florence of Worcester records that "Scrobbesbyriensis comes Rotbertus de Beleasmo" rebelled against Henry I King of England in [1101], was deprived of all his honours and estates in England, and retired to Normandy[442]. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[443]. Florence of Worcester records that "Rotbertus de Beleasm" fought with Robert Duke of Normandy against King Henry I at Tinchebrai in [1106], was captured, but later escaped and fled[444]. He helped Helias de Saint-Saens protect Guillaume, son of Robert "Curthose" ex-Duke of Normandy, after Henry I King of England ordered the arrest of the boy[445]. He was arrested in 1112, imprisoned at Cherbourg and all his lands and honours forfeited. He was imprisoned at Wareham Castle, Dorset from Jul 1113[446]. The Annals of Margan record the death “Kal Mai” in 1118 of “Robertus comes de Belesme”[447]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records payments made "in libatione Robti de Belismo" in Dorsetshire, Wiltshire[448]. This suggests a pension or maintenance in some form, although it is not certain that it relates to Robert de Montgommery Earl of Shrewsbury.

- COMTES de PONTHIEU.

3. HUGUES de Montgommery ([1053/59]-Anglesey 31 Jul 1098, bur [17 Aug 1098] Shrewsbury Abbey[449]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[450]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him second among his father's sons by his first marriage[451]. The Annales Cambriæ record that "de Mungumeri Hugo" laid waste to "Keredigiaun" in 1072[452]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[453]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[454]. He succeeded his father in 1094 as Earl of Shrewsbury and to all his lands in England and Wales[455]. Florence of Worcester records that "comites Hugo de Legecastra et Hugo de Scrobbesbyria" invaded Anglesey in [1098], mutilating or massacring many of the inhabitants of the island, and that "comes Hugo de Scrobbesbyrie" was killed by an arrow discharged by Magnus King of Norway during a raid on the Welsh coast[456]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that Hugh was killed in Anglesey "by pirates from oversea"[457], or (according to Orderic Vitalis) transfixed with a spear by Magnus brother of the king of Norway on the seashore and died instantly[458]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[459].

4. ROGER de Montgommery "le Poitevin" (-1123). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[460]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him third among his father's sons by his first marriage[461]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[462]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[463]. He was a considerable landowner in England especially in Lancashire but was banished in 1102 with his brother Robert and retired to Poitou[464]. Comte de la Marche in 1113, de iure uxoris. m (before 1091) ALMODIS de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche & his wife Ponce --- (-[1117/29]). The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Boso comes de Marchia" was killed "Confolento castro" in 1091 and was succeeded by "Aumodis soror sua", wife of "Rotgerio comite"[465]. "Rotgerius comes et Almodis comitissa" donated property to the abbey of Charroux by charter dated [1090/1100][466]. She succeeded as Ctss de La Marche in 1098.

- COMTES de LA MARCHE.

5. PHILIPPE de Montgommery "Grammaticus" (-Antioch 1099). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[467]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fourth among his father's sons by his first marriage[468]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[469]. Florence of Worcester records that "Philippum Rogeri Scrobbesbyriensis comitis filium" was imprisoned in [1096] for his part in the conspiracy which planned to place his son on the English throne[470]. He went on the First Crusade with Robert III Duke of Normandy and died at the siege of Antioch[471]. m ---. The name of Philippe's wife is not known. Philippe & his wife had one child:

a) MATHILDE de Montgommery . Daughter of Philippe, Orderic Vitalis records that she succeeded her paternal aunt as Abbess of Almenèches in 1113[472].

6. ARNOUL de Montgommery (-after 1119). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[473]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fifth among his father's sons by his first marriage[474]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[475]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[476]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[477]. He obtained the comitatus of Pembroke but was apparently not an Earl. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[478]. He was banished from England with his brother Robert[479]. He went to Scotland and was ancestor of the MONTGOMMERIE family in Scotland[480]. m (1102) LAFRACOTH of Munster, daughter of MURTACH O'Brien King of Munster & his wife ---. She is named daughter "of an Irish king named Murchertach" by Orderic Vitalis[481]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Muirchertach Ua Briain made a marriage alliance with the French and with the Norsemen” in 1102[482].

7. EMMA de Montgommery (-4 Mar 1113). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[483]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her first among her father's daughters by his first marriage, and specifies that she was nun and abbess of Almenèches[484]. After the abbey was burnt in [1102], she fled to Saint-Evroul, returning the following year and dying about ten years later[485].

8. MATHILDE de Montgommery (-[1085], bur abbaye de Grestain). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[486]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her second among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[487]. m (before 1066) as his first wife, ROBERT Comte de Mortain, son of HERLUIN Vicomte de Contéville & his first wife Herlève --- (after 1040-8 Dec 1090, bur abbaye de Grestain).

9. MABILE de Montgommery (-after 1132). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[488]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her third among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[489]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mabilla" daughter (presumably a mistake for wife) of "Rogerum de Montgommeri" and her daughter "alteram Mabillam uxorem Gervasii" and the latter's son "Hugo de Castro novo" whose proposed marriage with the daughter of Henry I King of England was opposed by "Yvo Carnetensis episcopus" on the grounds of consanguinity, his ancestry being explained by Alberic[490]. "Domna Mabilia uxor domni Gervasii de Novo Castello" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated to [1101/29][491]. "Hugo Castrinovi dominus" confirmed donations to the monastery of Saint-Vincent, with the consent of "uxore mea Alberedi et matre mea senior iam detenta Mabilia et filiis meis Hugone, Gervasio et Galeranno", by charter dated 1132[492]. m GERVAISE Sire de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais, son of ---. "Gervasius miles" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin des Champs with the consent of "Mabilia uxor sua et Hugone primogenito suo" by charter dated [1106/09][493]. "Gervasius et uxor eius Mabilia" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated 1107 with the consent of "filiis eorum Hugone, Petro, Gervasio, Guascone et filia Mabilia"[494].

10. SIBYLLE de Montgommery . Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[495]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her fourth among her father's daughters by his first marriage and also names her first husband[496]. The Chronica de Fundatoribus et Fundatione of Tewkesbury Abbey records that ”Robertum filium Haymonis, dominum de Astramervilla in Normannia” married “Sibillam sororem Roberti de Belismo, comitis Salopiæ”[497]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified. m firstly ROBERT FitzHamon Lord of Glamorgan, son of HAMON & his wife --- (-Newbury Mar 1107). m secondly JEAN Sire de Raimes .

Earl Roger & his second wife had one child:

11. EVERARD de Montgommery (-before [1135/36]). He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, saying he "was well-educated and remains to this day among the royal chaplains in the household of the kings of England" and in another passage that he "served as a clerk among the humbler officers in King Henry's chapel"[498].

Earl Roger had one [Illegitimate] son by an unknown mistress:

12. HUGUES de Montgommery . He witnessed a writ of King Henry I as brother of Robert de Bellême[499]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as it would be unusual for him to bear the same first name as an older full brother, although there are isolated examples of this practice in other families. An alternative possibility is that his name was incorrectly recorded in the writ and that he is in fact the same person as one of Robert's other surviving brothers.

-------------------- Roger de Montgomerie, known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.)

Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitous as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children: Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church. -------------------- Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.)

Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitous as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children.

Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.

After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury. After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.

-------------------- Roger de Montgomerie, also known as Roger the Great de Montgomery (died 1094), was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counsellors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy [Some controversy here- Neil Ludlow (Pembroke Castle) states the Earl led the Norman right flank at the Battle of Hastings]. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury; a few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.

Roger was thus one of the half dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eighths of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William II in the Rebellion of 1088. However, William was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him. This worked out favourably for Roger, as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children --------------------

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 Earl of Arundel    
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 Became a monk   

-------------------- Roger de Montgomerie, known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited. Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.) Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire. After William I's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitous as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England. Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children:

Name Birth Death Notes By Mabel Talvas (Mabel of Bellême). Roger Montgomery 1066 Robert of Bellême 1052 c. 1130 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury Hugh of Montgomery 1098 Roger the Poitevin c. 1058 Philip 'the Grammarian' 1099 Died while on crusade at the Siege of Antioch Arnulf of Montgomery c. 1068 Emma, abbess of Almenchêches Matilda m. Robert, Count of Mortain Mabel m. Hugh of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais Sibyl m. Robert Fitzhamon Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church. After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury. After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom. On screen, Roger was portrayed by actor John Greenwood in the two-part BBC TV play Conquest (1966), part of the series Theatre 625. -------------------- Roger de Montgomerie, known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited. Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.) Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire. After William I's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitous as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England. Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children:

Walter G. Ashworth

-------------------- Roger de Montgomery invited in 1056 Gislebert, Abbot of Chatillon, with his monks, to Froarn, and expelled thence the twelve canons who had been placed there by his father in 1022, and had abandoned themselves to gluttony, debauchery, carnal pleasures, and worldly occupations.

Roger was not, contrary to some historians, a companion of William the Conqueror in the conquest of England in 1066.

He was created Earl of Arundel and Shewsbury by his "distant" (3rd) cousin, William the Conqueror, in December 1067. He acquired Alençon and Bellesme by right of his wife, Mable Talvas, on the death of her uncle, Ivo de Belesme, Bishop of Séez in 1070.

He drafted a charter in favour of St. Stephen's at Caen in 1082.

He married Adelaide de Puiset, daughter of Everard de Puiset, after 1082.

Roger died in 1094 at the Abbey of St. Peter and St. Paul, Shrewsbury, at the age of 89 years. For three days before his death he had wholly applied himself to divine conference and devout prayers with the rest of the community, expiring, in the odor of sanctity. (You mean he smelled good?)

Roger was our ancestor through two distinct descent lines--one through his daughter Matildis and the other through his daughter Sybil, both of whom were independently our ancestors.

See "My Lines" ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p353.htm#i4643 ) from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- Roger de Montgomerie, also known as Roger the Great de Montgomery (died 1094), was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

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[edit] Life Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counsellors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy [Some controversy here- Neil Ludlow (Pembroke Castle) states the Earl led the Norman right flank at the Battle of Hastings]. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury; a few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.

Roger was thus one of the half dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eighths of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William II in the Rebellion of 1088. However, William was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him. This worked out favourably for Roger, as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children:

Name Birth Death Notes By Mabel Talvas (Mabel of Bellême). Roger Montgomery 1066 Robert of Bellême 1052 c. 1130 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury Hugh of Montgomery 1098 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury Roger the Poitevin c. 1058 Philip 'the Grammarian' 1099 Died while on crusade at the Siege of Antioch Arnulf of Montgomery c. 1068 Emma, abbess of Almenchêches Matilda m. Robert, Count of Mortain Mabel m. Hugh of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais Sibyl m. Robert Fitzhamon

Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.

After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury. After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.

On screen, Roger was portrayed by actor John Greenwood in the two-part BBC TV play Conquest (1966), part of the series Theatre 625.

[edit] Ancestry [hide]v • d • eAncestors of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

                                 

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[edit] References J.F.A. Mason, "Roger de Montgomery and His Sons (1067–1102)", Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, 5th series vol. 13 (1963) 1-28 Kathleen Thompson, "The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys", Historical Research 60 (1987) 251-263 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis Lines: 124-26, 185-1 Stirnet: Montgomery01 [edit] External links VIMOUTIERS Heart of the Pays d'Auge in Normandy OLD PICTURES - VINTAGE CARDS (scroll down to On Roger de Mont Gommeri's lands section) More about Mont Gommeri The Castles of Wales: Roger of Montgomery

Peerage of England Preceded by New Creation Earl of Shrewsbury 1074–1094 Succeeded by Hugh of Montgomery Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury" Categories: 1030s births | 1094 deaths | Anglo-Normans | Earls in the Peerage of England | Normans | Anglo-Normans in Wales -------------------- Roger de Montgomerie, known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.)

Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitous as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children:

Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church. -------------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury -------------------- Section AAL: Descendants of Roger de Montgomery

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Generation Five

5. ROGER5 DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY (

son of (4) Roger4 MONTGOMERY, 

was born in 1022, died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury and was buried in Abbey Of St. Pet, Shrewsbury.

He married in 1048, (KC-5) MABEL TALVAS of Alencon, Eure, France, daughter of (KC-4) William and Hildeburge TALVAS,

who was born circa 1026, died in 1079[2], and was buried on 5 Dec. 1082 in Abbey of Troarn, Eure.

Children:

+ 6 i. ARNULPH6, b. circa 1074; m. LAFRACOTH.

+ 7 ii. ROGER, d. in 1123; m. ADELMODE DE LA MARCHE.

+ 8 iii. SYBIL; m. (OD-1) ROBERT FITZ HAMON.

+ 9 iv. MAUD; m. (AAR-1) ROBERT DE MORTAIN, EARL OF CORNWALL.

+ 10 v. COUNT ROBERT II DE BELLEME of Alencon, France, b. in 1035, d. in 1113; m. (R-10) AGNES OF PONTHIEU.

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Generation One

1. ROGER1 DE MONTGOMERY was born between 862 and 1008, and died between 921 and 1118. [12]

Child: + 2 i. ROGER2, b. before 1022.

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Generation Two

2. ROGER2 DE MONTGOMERY (Roger1), son of (1) Roger1 MONTGOMERY, was born before 1022, and died between 1022 and 1132. [12]

Child: + 3 i. HUGUES3; m. (AK-11) JOSCELINE DE PONTAUDEMER in 994.

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Generation Three

3. HUGUES3 DE MONTGOMERY (Roger2, Roger1), son of (2) Roger2 MONTGOMERY, was born between 936 and 980, and died between 994 and 1090. He married in 994, (AK-11) JOSCELINE DE PONTAUDEMER[12], daughter of (AK-2) Tourade and Eva (de CREPON) PONTAUDEMER. [12]

Child: + 4 i. ROGER4.

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Generation Four

4. ROGER4 DE MONTGOMERY (Hugues3, Roger2, Roger1), son of (3) Hugues3 and (AK-11) Josceline (de PONTAUDEMER) MONTGOMERY, was born between 962 and 1008, and died between 1021 and 1118. [12]

Child: + 5 i. ROGER5, EARL OF SHREWSBURY of Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom, b. in 1022, d. on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury; m. (KC-5) MABEL TALVAS in 1048.

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-------------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury -------------------- Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the Rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created earl until a few years later.)

Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After Williams II's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned king William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitious as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

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Roger II de Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury's Timeline

1022
1022
1022 in Saint-Germain-DE-Montgommery, Calvados, Normandy, France
1031
1031
Age 9
Mortagne-sur-Sèvre, Pays de la Loire, France
1039
1039
Age 17
Mortagne, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
1042
1042
Age 20
St Germain De Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France
1044
1044
Age 22
Dursley, Gloucestershire, England
1048
1048
Age 26
Perche, France
1052
1052
Age 30
St Germain Mntgm, Normandy, France
1056
1056
Age 34
Montgomery, Montgomery, Wales
1058
1058
Age 36
Marche, Poitou, FR
1058
Age 36
Marche, Poitou, France