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Roger de Quincy

Nicknames: "2nd Earl of Winchester; Earl of /Winton/", "2nd Earl of Winchester", "Robert /de Quincey/", "Roger /de Quincey/", "Roger de Quincey", "Earl of Winchester"
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Birthplace: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Death: Died in England
Place of Burial: Brackley, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Immediate Family:

Son of Saier de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, Surety for the Magna Carta; Saher De Quincy and Margaret FitzPernel de Beaumont, of Groby
Husband of Helen "Elena" (fitzAlan) de Galloway; Eleanor de Ferrers and Countess Matilda de Bohun
Father of Margaret de Ferrers (de Quincy), Countess of Derby; Elizabeth (Isabel) de Quincy; Helen Ela de Quincy, of Winchester and Helen De Quincy
Brother of Robert "the Elder" de Quincy; Hawise de Quincy; Arabella De Quincy; Loretta de Valoniis; John de Quincy and 6 others

Occupation: Earl of Winchester - see http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps10/ps10_276.htm, Earl of Winchester, II Earl of Winchester, Earl of Wincheter
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About Roger de Quincy

Parents: Saer de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont

Wives: Helen of Galloway, Maud de Bohun and Eleanor Ferrers

Children: Helen, Elisabeth and Margaret (all with Helen of Galloway)

Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (1195? – April 25, 1265) was a medieval nobleman who was prominent on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border, as Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland.

He was the second son of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Margaret de Beaumont.

He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235.

Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).

The Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by Alexander II of Scotland. Roger ruled his portion of Galloway strictly, and the Galwegians revolted again in 1247, forcing Roger to take refuge in a castle. Faced with a siege and little chance of relief, Roger and a few men fought their way out and rode off to seek help from Alexander, who raised forces to again suppress the rebellion.

In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.

Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year.

Roger had three daughters by his first wife, but no sons. His subsequent marriages produced no issue. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed. The three daughters of Roger and Helen of Galloway were:

1) Helen (also known as Ela or Elena), who married Alan Baron Zouche of Ashby;

2) Elizabeth (also known as Isabella), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan;

3) Margaret, who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (and was thus stepmother to her own stepmother).

References

Hunt, William (1896). "Saer de Quincy, first Earl of Winchester". Dictionary of National Biography. 48. (Roger de Quincy is treated a subtopic of his father's article)

Grant G. Simpson, “An Anglo-Scottish Baron of the Thirteenth century: the Acts of Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland” (Unpublished PhD Thesis, Edinburgh 1963).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Quincy,_2nd_Earl_of_Winchester

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Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester was the son of Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret (?).

He married, firstly, Helen de Galloway, daughter of Alan de Galloway, Lord of Galloway and Margaret of Huntingdon, before 1234.

He died on 25 April 1264.

Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester was also known as Roger de Quincy. He gained the title of 2nd Earl of Winchester.

Child of Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester:

   * Isabel de Quency

Children of Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester and Helen de Galloway

   * Elizabeth de Quincy d. a Apr 1282
   * Margaret de Quinci b. c 1218, d. b 12 Mar 1284

http://www.thepeerage.com/p487.htm#i4866

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From http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps10/ps10_276.htm

Roger was Constable of Scotland and second Earl Winchester (1235, in the absence of his elder brother, Robert). He was heir of his mother at her death. His three daughters divided his estate.

References: [AR7],[CP],[MCS4],[RD500]

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Birth: 1174 in Winchester, County Hampshire, ENGLAND Death: 25 APR 1264 in ENGLAND but buried in Brackley, County Aberdeenshire, SCOTLAND Event: Note Coat of Arms, URL http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/hantsmap/hantsmap/topics/blazon06.htm Occupation: Constable of SCOTLAND

This City is governed by a Mayor, Aldermen, Burgesses, Recorder, and Common-Council. The Citizens had formerly the Privilege of overseeing the King or Queen's Kitchin and Laundry at the Coronation, as the Citizens of London had the Care of the Wine-Cellar, as Holinshed, and other Chronicles tell us. Here are weekly two plentiful Markets on Wednesday and Saturday, and a Fair on the first Monday in Lent. It sends two Citizens to Parliament, who are in this Session, George Rodney Bridges Esq; and Lord William Pawlet. This City has given a Title to many ancient and Noble families, of which our Histories give this Account, viz. Clito, a noble Saxon, at the Time of the Conquest, was Earl of Winchester, but at the coming of the Normans he was deprived of his Estate and Honour. After him we find none bearing that Title, till K. John made Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, whose Arms were a Fesse with a Label of Seven, as appears from his Seal. He married Margaret, the youngest Sister and Coheir of Robert, Earl of Leicester, and by her had one Son and Heir.

Roger de Quincy, who bore for his Arms, in a Field Gules, seven Mascles voided, Or: He married the eldest Daughter and Co-heir of Alan, Lord Galloway, in Scotland, but by her had three Daughters only, of whom the eldest was married to William de Ferrariis, Earl of Derby, the second to Alan de Zouche, and the youngest to Comino, Earl of Buchan, in Scotland, whereupon the Honour was extinct, and so continued for a considerable Time, till .... (there is a full page with more names at the web site below)

SOURCE: "Cox's Hampshire, 1738", URL http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/hantsmap/hantsmap/cox1/cox1tx42.htm

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