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Roger du Maine, comte du Maine

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Charente, Maine, Poitou Charetes, France
Death: Died in Pays de Loire, France
Immediate Family:

Son of Helgaud de Montreuil, II and Herssende
Husband of Rothilde of the Franks
Father of Hugues, count of Maine; Herlouin II, count of Ponthieu and Judith du Maine
Brother of Count Herlouin 2 de Pontieu; Gisla de Ponthieu; Hildegard de Ponthieu and Blance de Ponthieu

Occupation: comte du Maine, Vicomte, Seigneur du Mans
Managed by: Private User
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About Roger du Maine, comte du Maine

Roger

Count of Maine, late 890's.

Nearly all of what is known of count Roger of Maine is related in a letter of Gontier, bishop of Le Mans. Gontier's predecessor, Lambert, died on a 13 December on the same day as count Bérenger, in an unknown year, probably in the middle of the 890's [Nec. Mans, 329; see the page of Bérenger for more on the chronology]. Gontier accuses Roger of ravaging the possessions of the diocese, and states that Roger was driven out by duke Robert (later king Robert I), who established a certain Gauzlin as count, but that Roger then succeded in driving out Gauzlin [Act. Pont. Cenom. 342-7; Latouche (1910), 14-6; Barton (2004), 35-6].

Date of Birth: Unknown.

Place of Birth: Unknown.

Date of Death: Before 31 October 900.

He was undoubtedly deceased on that date, when his son Hugues, count of Maine, appears with his mother in an act of Charles the Simple. See the page of Hugues I for further details.

Place of Death: Unknown.

Father: Unknown.

Mother: Unknown.

Spouse:

Rothilde, d. 22 March, not long before 929, daughter of Charles the Bald, king of the Western Franks, Emperor.

Rothilde does not appear in any document with Roger, but she appears as the mother of Roger's son Hugues. See Rothilde's page for further details.

Children:

MALE Hugues I, d. after 26 March 931, count of Maine.

Hugues is called a son of Roger in two charters of 930-1. See the page of Hugues I for further deatils.

FEMALE NN, m. Hugues le Grand, duke of France.

See Rothilde's page.

Commentary

Conjectured ancestor: Roger, 8th century, count of Maine.

(said to be related to the Rorgonid counts of Maine)

This is a common onomastic conjecture, based on the fact that there was an eighth century count of Maine named Roger, who in turn had a son named Gauzlin (Gauziolenus), a name common in the Rorgonid dynasty of counts of Maine [Act. Pont. Cenom., 244-5; Boussard (1968), 19, 24; Keats-Rohan (1994), 6; Jackman (1999), 138]. The conjecture is plausible, but unproven.

Suggested identification of Roger: Roger, nepos of Hugues, count of Bourges.

[e.g., Keats-Rohan (1994): 8-9; Keats-Rohan (2000), 65] This is based on the suggestion that Roger of Maine was the same as a certain Rotgarius, nepos of Hugues (Ugo), count of Bourges, both present at the siege of Paris by the Vikings in 885-7 [Abbo, De Bello Parisiaco, ii, 562-5, MGH SS 2: 800]. For the old hypothesis that Hugues of Bourges was the husband of Roger's wife Rothilde [Depoin (1908), 590-3], see the page of Rothilde.

Conjectured daughter (unproven): Richilde, m. Thibaud, viscount of Tours (parents of Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois).

[Keats-Rohan (1997), 194; Keats-Rohan (2000), 65] See Rothilde's page for a discussion.

Bibliography

Act. Pont. Cenom. = Busson & Ledru, eds., Actus Pontificum Cenomannis in urbe Degentium (Archives Historiques du Maine 2, Le Mans, 1902).

Barton (2004) = Richard E. Barton, Lordship in the County of Maine c.890-1160 (Boydell Press, Woodbridge, 2004).

Boussard (1968) = Jacques Boussard, "Les destinées de la Neustrie du IXe au XIe siècle", Cahiers de civilisation médiévale, Xe-XIIe Siècles 11 (1968), 15-28.

Depoin (1908) = Joseph Depoin, "Études préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III Thibaud le Tricheur - fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?" Revue des études historiques 74 (1908), 553-602.

Jackman (1999) = Donald C. Jackman, "Rorgonid Right - Two Scenarios", Francia 26/1 (1999): 129-153.

Keats-Rohan (1994) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Two Studies in North French Prosopography", Journal of Medieval History 20 (1994): 3-37.

Keats-Rohan (2000) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, " 'Bilichildis' Problèmes et possibilités d'une étude de l'onomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 57-68.

Latouche (1910) = Robert Latouche, Histoire de comté du Maine (Paris, 1910).

MGH SS = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series.

Nec. Mans = Busson & Ledru, Nécrologe-obituaire de la Cathédrale du Mans (Archives Historiques du Maine 7, Le Mans, 1906).

Werner (1958) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Untersuchungen zur Frühzeit des französischen Fürstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert)", Die Welt als Geschichte 18 (1958): 256-289.

Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.

Compiled by Stewart Baldwin

Uploaded 10 January 2008.

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/roger000.htm -------------------- Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine 1, 2, 3 was born 865 in Maine, France. He died 31 Oct 900 in Maine, France. Rodgar married Rothilde Abbess of Chelles on 890 in , Maine, France.

Rothilde Abbess of Chelles [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 871 in Paris, Ile-de-France, France. She died 22 Mar 928 in Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, France. Rothilde married Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine on 890 in , Maine, France.

They had the following children:

     		M 	i 	Hugh I de MAINE Count of Maine was born 891 and died 931.
     		F 	ii 	Richilde de MAINE was born 893.
     		F 	iii 	Judith de MAINE was born 898 and died 925.

Sources:

   1Schwennicke, Detlev, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-), III-692, Family History Library, 940 D5es.
   2le Hête, Thierry, "Richilde, Wife of Thibaud the Old, Viscount of Tours," Foundations 1:1 (Jan 2003), p. 3, The Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, http://fmg.ac/.
   3Settipani, Christian, La Prehistoire des Capetiens: 481-987 (Villeneuve d'Ascq: P. Van Kerrebrouck, 1993.), Tableau 7, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.74 S495.

-------------------- Rodgar, comte du Maine, was nephew of Hugo, Count of Bourges, who died 892.

He married Rothildis des Francs Occidental, daughter of Carolus II Calvus, empereur auguste and Richildis de Provence, circa 890.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p315.htm#i14780 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

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Roger du Maine, comte du Maine's Timeline

866
866
Maine, Poitou Charetes, France
890
890
Age 24
Le Mans, Duchy d'Anjou (now Pays de la Loire, France)
890
Age 24
France
897
897
Age 31
Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France
900
October 31, 900
Age 34
Pays de Loire, France
900
Age 34
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