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PLEASE NOTE: Rothilde (Roheut, etc) is NOT the same daughter as Rotrude. Many people are trying to merge the two. However, they had different lives and they had different mothers.

Charles the Bald, with wife Ermentrude:

  • Rotrud (852–912), a nun, Abbess of Saint-Radegunde

Charles the Bald, with wife Richilde:

  • Rothild (871–929), married firstly with Hugues, Count of Bourges and secondly with Roger, Count of Maine

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Stewart Baldwin of THe Henry Project has this to say about Rothilde (aka Roheut, Reheut, Rotheut, etc.)

from http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rothi000.htm

Rothilde

Wife of Roger, count of Maine.

Abbess of Chelles

Rothilde appears in a document of king Charles the Simple dated 31 October 900, in which she is called the mother of count Hughes (evidently of of Maine), consanguineus of Charles ["... adeuntes nostrae dignitatis excellentiam dulcissima genitrix nostra Adeleidis et dilectus comes Hugo consanguineus ... in comitatu quoque Coenomannico Nunniagum villam, quam dedit Hugo comes et mater sua Rodhildis sancto Ebrulfo, in vicaria Gaviacense cum omnibus apendiciis." Werner (1958), 281-2, n. 128, citing Lauer, Recueil des actes de Charles le Simple, 75ff. (#35), which is not easily available to me; see also Werner (1967), 423]. In 922, the abbey of Chelles was taken from her and given to Hagano, favorite of her nephew Charles the Simple ["... Quo cum eisdem super Axonam in pagum Laudunensem profecto propter praedictum Haganonem, cui rex abbatiam Rothildis, amitae suae, socrus autem Hugonis, dederat, nomine Calam, Karolus cum Heriberto et Haganone clam Laudunum egressus, ob Haganonis amorem, hujus causa timoris trans Mosam profectus est." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 922, 8 (see below)]. The standard outline of her family depends on the identification of the Rodhildis of 900, mother of a consanguineus of Charles the Simple, with the Rothildis of 922, amita of Charles. Although this identity is not directly documented, it is highly probable. See Werner's detailed discussion of Rothilde [Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)].

Date of birth: Unknown.

Place of birth: Unknown.

Date of death: Not long before 929.

Flodoard refers to her as recently deceased in the first entry of his annals for 929 ["Heribertus et Hugo comites contra Bosonem, Rodulfi regis fratrem, profiscuntur, propter quisdam Rothildis alodes nuper defunctae, quos a Bosone pervasos repetebat Hugo, gener ipsius Rothildis." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 929, 44]. Some sources [e.g., the original version of this page; Auguste Longnon, in the preface to Obit. Sens, 1 (pt. 1): xx-xxi; Werner (1967), 428] have erroneously assigned her a death date of 22 March based on several necrologies, but those entries refer to another Rothilde, daughter of Charlemagne, and not to the present Rothilde. [This error was pointed out by Peter Stewart.]

Place of death: Unknown.

Father: Charles the Bald, d. 877, king of the Western Franks, Emperor.

As indicated above, Rothilde is called an amita of Charles the Simple by Flodoard. Since the name Rothilde is known among the Carolingians, the usual interpretation of the word amita as "paternal aunt" is probably correct.

Mother: Richilde, living 910, daughter of count Bivin.

Her mother is not explicitly identified, but chronology would seem to make her more likely as a daughter of Richilde. [see Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]

Spouse: Roger, d. before 31 October 900, count of Maine.

For the documentation of Rothilde's son Hugues as a son of count Roger of Maine, see the page of Hugues I.

Children:

MALE Hugues I, d. after 26 March 931, count of Maine.

[Latouche (1910), 16, n. 1; Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]

FEMALE NN, m. Hugues le Grand, duke of France.

As indicated above, Flodoard refers to Rothilde as socrus of Hugues, and to Hugues as gener of Rothilde.

Commentary

Falsely attributed husband: Hugues, count of Bourges.

Conjectured daughter (unproven): Richilde, m. Thibaud, viscount of Tours (parents of Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois).

Based on the fact that Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois, had a mother named Richilde and a brother named Richard, Depoin assumed that Richilde was of the same family as Charles the Bald's second wife, the empress Richilde, who had a brother named Richard [Depoin (1908), 587-592]. He conjectured that the younger Richilde was a granddaughter of the empress Richilde, and that the intervening generation was the present Rothilde. At that time, Depoin was unaware that the Hugues of the 900 document was a count of Maine, son of Roger, and he conjectured that Hugues was son of another Hugues, count of Bourges. Although this conjectured husband of Rothilde can now be dismissed, it does not affect the onomastic argument which would make the younger Richilde a possible relative of the empress Richilde, so it remains possible (but still unproven) that the younger Richilde was a daughter of Roger and Rothilde. This connection has recently been accepted by Keats-Rohan [Keats-Rohan (1997), 194 (with a vague citation to Depoin); Keats-Rohan (2000), 65].

Bibliography

Depoin (1908) = Joseph Depoin, "Études préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III Thibaud le Tricheur - fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?" Revue des études historiques 74 (1908), 553-602.

Flodoard, Annales = Ph. Lauer, ed., Les Annales de Flodoard (Paris, 1905).

Keats-Rohan (1997) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "'Un vassal sans histoire'?: Count Hugh II (c.940/955-992) and the origins of Angevin overlordship in Maine", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 189-210.

Keats-Rohan (2000) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, " 'Bilichildis' Problèmes et possibilités d'une étude de l'onomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 57-68.

Latouche (1910) = Robert Latouche, Histoire du comté du Maine (Paris, 1910).

Obit. Sens = Obituaires de la Province de Sens (2 vols. in 3, Paris, 1902-6).

Werner (1958) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Untersuchungen zur Frühzeit des französischen Fürstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert)", Die Welt als Geschichte 18 (1958): 256-289.

Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.

Compiled by Stewart Baldwin

Uploaded 10 January 2008.

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Rothilde was born in year 0871 in Frankfort-am-Main, Germany.1

         o Birth Notes
               + B: Abt. 871

Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She was the youngest of two children. She had a brother named Reheut. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde. She died, at the age of 56 years, on March 22nd, 0927.1

         o Death Notes
               + D: 22 Mar 0927/28

Rothilde's family with Hugh II d' Alsace

They had a daughter named Richilde.

     Female Richilde De Bourges
     Richilde was born in year 0891 in Brouges, Alsace.2 
               + Birth Notes
                     # B: Abt. 891

1 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I77032&style=TABLE

2 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I69381&style=TABLE

-------------------- Rothilde Abbess of Chelles [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 871 in Paris, Ile-de-France, France. She died 22 Mar 928 in Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, France. Rothilde married Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine on 890 in , Maine, France.

They had the following children:

     		M 	i 	Hugh I de MAINE Count of Maine was born 891 and died 931.
     		F 	ii 	Richilde de MAINE was born 893.
     		F 	iii 	Judith de MAINE was born 898 and died 925.

-------------------- Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She had a brother named Reheut. She was the younger of the two children. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde -------------------- Rothildis des Francs Occidental died between 928 and 929.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p318.htm#i7563 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

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Rothilde of the Franks's Timeline

871
871
Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France
886
886
Age 15
Bourges, Centre, France
890
890
Age 19
Le Mans, Duchy d'Anjou (now Pays de la Loire, France)
890
Age 19
Le Mans, Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France
890
Age 19
France
890
Age 19
Bourges, Cher, Centre, France
897
897
Age 26
Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France
900
900
Age 29
927
March 22, 927
Age 56
Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
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