Guillaume de Bellème et de Alençon, Comte de Bellesme et Alencon (c.970 - 1031) MP

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Nicknames: "William", "Lord of Belleme", "Talvas", "William I", "de Talvas", "'Princeps'", "1st Count D'alencon"
Birthplace: Route de Bellème, Berd'Huis, Basse-Normandie, France
Death: Died in Domfront, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
Occupation: Greve, Count of Belleme, Comte d'Alencon, Prince, de Bellême, Comte, du Perche, 997, d'Alençon, 1004, Sieur, de Saonnois, Seigneur D'Alencon and Belleme, Compte de B. et d'Alenecon
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About Guillaume de Bellème et de Alençon, Comte de Bellesme et Alencon

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GUILLAUME [I] de Bellême, son of IVES de Creil Seigneur de Bellême & his wife Godehildis --- (-[1031]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves, qui tenait le château d'Alençon à titre de bénéfice" rebelled against Robert II Duke of Normandy, commenting that he was "infiniment cruel et ambitieux", dying soon after the defeat of his sons Foulques and Robert[98]. [1000]. Sire d'Alençon. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[99]. He founded the abbey of Dame-Marie [1023/26][100]. Europäische Stammtafeln[101] inserts an additional generation between "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves" and the four brothers who are reported by Guillaume de Jumièges as his sons: "Guillaume [I] "Talvas" "princeps" de Bellême, Sire d'Alençon, 1004-1013 iuvenis, erbaut Domfront, gründet um 1020 abbaye de Lonlay (-Domfront [1031], bur Notre-Dame-sur-l'Eau" recording his wife as "Mathilde, [1020]". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct, especially if the two brothers Ives Bishop of Sées and Robert were sons of the older Guillaume as shown in the same table of Europäische Stammtafeln (see below). The primary sources on which this is based have not yet been identified, but until more information emerges it appears preferable to show this family as reported by Guillaume de Jumièges. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie records that Robert II Duke of Normandy granted Alençon to "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" who rebelled against the duke who besieged the castle and captured Guillaume[102].

m MATHILDE Dame de Condé-sur-Noireau, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie states that the mother of the sons of "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" was "Mehault du lignaige de Guennelon"[103].

Guillaume & his wife had five children:

1. WARINUS [Guérin] de Bellême (-murdered 1026). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character and recording that Guérin was strangled by the devil before the eyes of his companions[104]. Seigneur de Domfront. m ---. The name of Guérin's wife is not known. Guérin & his wife had one child:

a) ADELISE de Bellême . Her parentage is suggested by Orderic Vitalis who records that the great-grandfather of Rotrou [III] Comte du Perche was Guerin "quem dæmones suffocaverunt"[105]. 1060. m ROTROU [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of GEOFFROY Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Helvis [Elisabeth] de Corbon (-1 Mar [1080]). Comte de Mortagne 1058.

Guérin had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

b) RAOUL de Bellême (-after 28 May 1053). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[106]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[107].

2. FOULQUES de Bellême (-killed in battle forest of Blavon [1027/35], bur Notre-Dame de Bellême). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[108].

3. ROBERT de Bellême (-murdered Château de Ballon [1031/35]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[109]. Sire de Bellême. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert "héritier du pouvoir et de la cruauté de Guillaume de Belesme" was captured by the men of Le Mans, imprisoned for two years in the château de Ballon, and murdered by the sons of Gauthier de Sordains in reprisal for the death of their father[110], dated to the early 1030s from the context of the passage. "Rotberti filii Wilelmi, Ivo suus avunculus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by undated charter[111]. Robert had two illegitimate children by an unknown mistress:

a) GUERIN (-after 1067). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[112]. A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[113]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[114].

b) GUILLAUME (-after 1067). A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[115]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[116].

4. GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Bellême (-after [1050/54]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character[117]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Guillaume Talvas succeeded after the death of his brother Robert[118], commenting that he was "plus mauvais encore que tous ses frères". "Guillelmus de Belismo" founded the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême by charter dated to [1023/27][119]. Sire d'Alençon. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert and Raoul avenged the mutilation of their brother Guillaume by devastating the lands of Guillaume [II] "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon[120]. "…Willelmus filius Guillelmi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1042] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated "nostras insulas Serc et Aurrene, propter medietatem Grenere" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel, supported by "Rannulfo filio Anschitilli"[121]. Guillaume de Jumièges records his being sent into exile by his son Arnoul[122]. m firstly HILDEBURGE, daughter of ARNOUL & his wife ---. Guillaume de Jumièges names "Hildeburge fille d'Arnoul" as wife of Guillaume Talvas, recording that her husband had her strangled on her way to church[123]. m secondly --- de Beaumont, daughter of RAOUL [V] de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine & his first wife Emma de Montevrault Dame de Lude. Guillaume de Jumièges records that the second wife of Guillaume Talvas was the daughter of "Raoul vicomte de Beaumont" but does not name her[124]. Guillaume [II] & his first wife had two children:

a) ARNOUL de Bellême (-murdered). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge, recording in a later passage his revolt against his father whom he forced into exile, and his being strangled in his bed[125].

b) MABILE (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[126]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[127]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[128]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][129]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[130]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[131]. m ([1050/54]) ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Sire d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.

Guillaume [II] had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

c) OLIVIER de Mesle (-after 28 May 1053). Guillaume de Jumièges names Oliver as brother of Arnoul, recording that he was suspected of murdering his brother and later became a monk at Bec[132]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as the same source in another passage names the two children of Guillaume [II] by his first wife. Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[133]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[134]. He left descendants known as "Oison"[135], but the primary source which confirms their existence has not yet been identified.

5. IVES de Bellême (-5 Apr 1070, bur Sées). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Ives évêque de Seès" was paternal uncle of Arnoul, after whose murder he took possession of the château de Bellême. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[136], he was the son of Guillaume de Bellême, son of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", the table specifying that he was "Sagiensis episcopus Wilhelmi scilicet domini de Bellismo filius" and "avunculus Rodberti filii Guillelmi". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct. Bishop of Sées 1035. Guillaume de Jumièges also records that "Richard, Robert et Avesgot, fils de Guillaume surnommé Soreng" devastated the country around Seès and were besieged by Ives at the church of Saint-Gervais[137].

Guillaume [I] had one illegitimate son by an unknown mistress:

6. SIFRIDUS de Bellême . A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale of the church of Courgains, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[138]. Seigneur d'Escures, du Bouillon, de la Chapelle-près-Sées et de Congé.


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Generation One

1. COUNT FULK1 DE CORBONAIS was born between 827 and 983, and died between 887 and 1093. He married ROLAIS. [3]

Child: + 2 i. IVRES I2 DE BELESME, d. in 997; m. GODCHILDE.

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Generation Two

2. IVRES I2 DE BELESME (Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (1) Count Fulk1 and Rolais, was born between 887 and 983, and died in 997[3]. He married GODCHILDE. [3]

Child: + 3 i. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON, d. in 1028; m. MAUD.

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Generation Three

3. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON (Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (2) Ivres I2 and Godchilde BELESME, was born between 918 and 998, and died in 1028[3]. He married MAUD. [3]

Child: + 4 i. WILLIAM4 TALVAS, d. in 1070; m. HILDEBURGE.

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Generation Four

4. WILLIAM4 TALVAS (Guillaume I de ALENCON3, Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (3) Count Guillaume I3 and Maud, was born between 966 and 1012, and died in 1070[1]. He married HILDEBURGE. [3, 2]

Child: + 5 i. MABEL5 of Alencon, Eure, France, b. circa 1026, d. in 1079; m. (AAL-5) ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY in 1048.

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Guillaume I, 'Talvas' de Belleme, seigneur d'Alençon's Timeline

970
970
Berd'Huis, Basse-Normandie, France
985
985
Age 15
Belleme, Perche, Normandy, France
991
991
Age 21
France
992
992
Age 22
Belleme, Perche, France
994
994
Age 24
Dromfront, Normandy, France
996
996
Age 26
Belleme, Perche, France
1031
1031
Age 61
Domfront, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
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