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  • Sir John Savage, Bailiff of the Forest of Macclesfield, Chamberlain of Middlewich1,2
  • M, #13933, b. between 1401 and 1410, d. 29 June 1463
  • Father Sir John Savage, Bailiff of the Forest of Macclesfield, Constable of Halton Castle, Chamberlain of Middlewich3,4 b. c 1378, d. 1 Aug 1450
  • Mother Maud Swynnerton3,4 b. c 1370, d. bt 8 Jun 1414 - 1424
  • Sir John Savage, Bailiff of the Forest of Macclesfield, Chamberlain of Middlewich was born between 1401 and 1410 at of Clifton, Macclesfield, Brereton, & Great & Little Barrow, Cheshire, England; Age 40+ in 1450.3,2 He married Eleanor Brereton, daughter of Sir William Brereton and Anyll Venables, before 1423; They had 1 son (Sir John) and 2 daughters (Margery, wife of Edmund Legh, & of Thomas Leycester; & Margaret).3,2 Sir John Savage, Bailiff of the Forest of Macclesfield, Chamberlain of Middlewich died on 29 June 1463.3,2
  • Family Eleanor Brereton b. c 1388
  • Children
    • Margaret Savage+3
    • Margery Savage+3
    • Sir John Savage, Mayor of Chester+3,2 b. c 1423, d. 22 Nov 1495
  • Citations
  • 1.[S3824] Unknown author, Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th Ed., by F. L. Weis, p. 111; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 30.
  • 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 491.
  • 3.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 638.
  • 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 490.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p464.htm#i13933
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  • John SAVAGE (Sir)
  • Born: ABT 1410
  • Died: 29 Jun 1463
  • Father: John SAVAGE (Sir)
  • Mother: Maud De SWYNNERTON
  • Married: Eleanor BRERETON (dau. of William Brereton and Angela Venables)
  • Children:
    • 1. John SAVAGE (Sir Knight)
    • 2. Alice SAVAGE
    • 3. Ellen SAVAGE
    • 4. Margaret SAVAGE
    • 5. Margery SAVAGE
  • From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/SAVAGE.htm#John SAVAGE (Sir)4

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• Children. 718,721 Children of Sir John Save of Cliffton, Knight and Elizabeth Brereton, daughter of Sir William Brereton, Knight: Sir John Savage, Knight, married Katherine Stanley Eleanor Savage, married Sir Piers Leigh, of Lyme, Knight (Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell places her as the daughter of the following John Savage and Katherine Stanley, who is given as her brother here, pg 215) Helein Savage, married to Peter Warberton of Arley, Esquire(Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell places her as the daughter of the previous John Savage and Maude Swynnarton, pg 214) Elizabeth Savage, married to John Leake, of Sutton, Derbyshire. (Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell places her as the daughter of the following John Savage and Katherine Stanley, who is given as her brother here, pg 215)

Children listed in Boyer's The Medieval Ancestors of Robert Abell , pgs. 214 with a reference to Omerod's History of Cheshire: John Savage, son and heir, married Katherine Stanley Margaret Savage, married 1st, John Maxfield, married 2nd, perhaps, Randle Mainwaring of Carincham, third son of Randle Mainwaring of Over Poever [note says that second marriage needs proof and the Visitation of Cheshire in 1580 (pg. 203-204) gives her as the wife Sir William Stanley of Hooton] Jane Savage, married John Hanford

• Background Information. 713 John Savage, of Clifton, esquire, son and heir of Sir John, married__________* and had issue: John Savage son and heir; Margery, a daughter married to Edmund Legh of Baggiley in Cheshire who died and she married Thomas Lycester of Nether Tabley; Margaret, another daughter married John Maxfeld, and afterward she married Randle Manwaring of Carincham, the third son of Randle Manwaring of Over Peover. ~Ormerod's History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, vol. I, p. 713

  • Ormerod gives her name to be Elizabeth de Brerton, daughter of William de Brerton on his pedigree for the Brerton and Hold of Brereton, Vol. III, p. 88-89

John married Elena de Brereton, daughter of Sir William, Lord of Brereton and Anyill de Venables of Kinderton 526,527,713,718 (Elena de Brereton was born in Brenton, England.)

D: I171563 Name: Sir John [III @] de Savage Sex: M Birth: 1403 in Clifton, Cheshire, England Death: 29 JUN 1463 in Clifton, Cheshire, England Note: Title: of Clifton Sir

Father: John [II @ >] de Savage b: 1375 in Clifton, Cheshire, England Mother: Maud (Matilda) [@ <>] de Swynnerton b: 1384 in Swynnerton, Staffordshire, England

Marriage 1 Eleanor or Elizabeth [@] de Brereton b: ABT 1406 in England Children

John [IV @] de Savage b: 1422 in Clifton, Cheshire, England
Margaret [@] de Savage b: ABT 1425 in Clifton, Cheshire, England

Marriage 2 Mary Daniell b: ABT 1420 Children

Alice (Dulcia) [@] de Savage b: 1448 in Clifton, Cheshire, England
 
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  • 'Savage02'
  • A. John Savage of Clifton and Stainesby
  • m. Elizabeth (or Elenor) Brereton (dau of Sir William Brereton of Brereton) named by Elizabeth by Armstrong, Elenor by Visitation, not named by Ormerod/BE1883
    • i. Sir John Savage of Clifton (b c1422, d 22.11.1495)
    • m. Catherine Stanley (dau of Thomas Stanley, 1st Lord, sister of Thomas, 1st Earl of Derby)
      • a. Sir John Savage of Clifton (dvp Bologne)
      • m. Dorothy Vernon (dau of Sir Ralph Vernon)
        • (1) Sir John Savage of Clifton 'of Frodsham', Sheriff of Worcestershire (d 02.03.1527)
        • m. Anne Bostock .... etc.
  • Note A. There is much confusion regarding the generation-attribution of various of the daughters of various of the John Savages of Clifton. We have tried to use dates and common sense to attribute them correctly but where there is doubt we prefer to show them a generaton earlier rather than later as otherwise people may presume an additional maternal line that turns out to be irrelevant. However, whilst some time was spent on this, more time is needed to gain full comfort on it so this is all subject to review. Any comments on this, from anyone who has studied the matter, would be welcome!
    • * .... etc.
      • k. Elizabeth Savage see Note C below, shown by Armstrong a generation earlier
      • m. John Leeke or Leake of Sutton (son of William of Longford)
      • l. ...etc.
      • Note C. Armstrong shows 2 daughters for John & Katherine: Elizabeth (m. Sir John Hampden) & Alice (m. Sir William Brereton. Ormerod & BE1883 both show 5 daughters: Ellen (m. Peter Legh of Lyme), Katherine (m. Thomas Legh of Adlington), Margaret (m. Edmund Trafford), Alice (m. Roger Pilkington) - see Ann below, a generation earlier) & Elizabeth (m. John Leeke). Visitation shows 6 daughters: unnamed (m. Sir THomas Waterton), Elizabeth (m. _ Leake, unnamed (m. Sir Edward Trafford sb Edmund, husband of Margaret?), Elenor (m. Sir Piers Leigh), Katherin (m. Thomas Leigh of Adlington), Alice (m. Roger Pilkenton - see Ann below, a generation earlier).
    • ii. Eleanor Savage see Note D below
    • m. (1467) Sir Piers Leigh of Lyme
    • iii. Elizabeth Savage m. John Leake, see Note D below, shown a generation later
    • iv. Helen Savage .... etc.
    • Note D. Armstrong mentions 6 daughter of John & Elizabeth: Eleanor (m. Sir Piers Leigh of Lyme), Elizabeth (m. John Leake - we show a generation later), Helein .... etc.
  • From: Stirnet.com

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Sir John Savage III, of Clifton's Timeline

1388
1388
Clifton, Cheshire, England
1405
1405
Age 17
Lancashire, England
1406
1406
Age 18
1422
1422
Age 34
Clifton, Cheshire, England
1423
1423
Age 35
Clifton, Rock Savage, Cheshire, England
1426
1426
Age 38
1427
1427
Age 39
Clifton, Cheshire, England
1428
1428
Age 40
Clifton, Cheshire, England, United Kingdom
1434
1434
Age 46
Clifton, Cheshire, , England
1442
1442
Age 54
Clifton, Cheshire, , England