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Thomas Fleming

Nicknames: "maybe alexander. they have no facts on this guy."
Birthdate:
Birthplace: perhaps, England
Death: Died in New Kent, Virginia
Immediate Family:

Son of unknown father of Thomas Fleming and unknown mother of Thomas Fleming
Husband of Judith Fleming
Father of Tarleton Fleming; Susanna Fleming; John Fleming; Ursula Fleming; Judith Fleming and 1 other

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About Thomas Fleming

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"Sir Thomas Fleming came from ENG to Essex Co. VA 1616, "2nd son of Lord John, Earl of Wigton, m. Lillian Graham, dau of Earl of Montrose." He came from ENG to Jamestown VA and later settled in Kent Co. VA and m. Miss Tarleton". .... BUT

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Comment found on profile:

Maybe Alexander. They have no facts on this guy.

That about sums it up.

Not a child of John Fleming, 1st Earl of Wigton & Lilias Graham. Disconnected May 2014

  • Not listed as a child in The Scots Peerage. (See attached document for details of the Flemings of Wigtoun listed in those volumes)
  • Not listed in A Genealogical History of the Dormant: Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct ... By Sir Bernard Burke, page 218 "Fleming - Earl of Wigton" also attached.

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From http://www.geni.com/discussions/135774?msg=962439 18 August 2014

"Talked to a cousin tonight. I wish I'd known that this would make her cry. She says this is "a very old fraud". She will send me her notes. When I get them, I'll add them here."

From http://heathcock.org/genealogy/ps20/ps20_440.html

Quite a few family websites carry a tree that asserts that Capt. George Keeling and Ursula Fleming were parents of Ursula Fleming, who married Thomas Henderson. However, I have not seen hard evidence, such as a will or family bible record, of the relationship.

Likewise, dozens of online family trees assert that Ursula Fleming was a descendant of the Scottish Earls of Wigton.2037 However, this remains controversial.

An early seed for the belief that the Virginia Flemings were descended from the Earls of Wigton was an ancient Fleming family letter, that was related in Volume 23 of the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography around 1900:

"An old record preserved in the Fleming family states that the immigrant ancestor was 'Sir Thomas Fleming, second son of the Earl of Wigdon in Scotland who married in England Miss Tarleton, and came to Virginia in 1616, settling first at Jamestown and afterwards removing to New Kent County 'where he lived and died.' Besides several daughters he left three sons 'Tarleton, John and Charles.' How far this statement in regard to the descent from the Earl of Wigton is correct has never been investigated, but certainly the date given for the immigration is too early. There may be other errors in the tradition.... It is quite possible that the Virginia Flemings descended from one of the younger sons of the Earl. A letter written in Virginia more than a hundred years ago which states that one of the family, the older brother of judge Wm. Fleming, was then heir to the Earldom of Wigton, shows the antiquity of the tradition."

A related version, asserting that a Thomas Fleming, 2nd son of John Fleming was the Virigina immigrant, appeared in an 1880 book by Montgomery Seaver, entitled “Family Fleming Records.” Seaver gave the following chronology:

• John Fleming 5th Lord Fleming: succeeded to title on death of brother James in 1558. Had issue: • John Fleming 6th Lord Fleming of Biggar and Cumbernault, created, 1606, Earl of Wigton: d. 1619, and • SIR THOMAS FLEMING: Knt, emigrated to the Va. Colony, 1616; lived in Kent County.

However, both these articles are incorrect in one important aspect--John Fleming, the 5th Lord Fleming and 2nd Earl of Wigton, did not have a son named Thomas.

Citations

  1. Christ Church Parish, Virginia Records, 1653-1812 Primary Name: John Fleming Death Date: 27 Aug 1686 Comment: departed this Life and was Buried ye 30 Aug 1686. (therefore, the often seen death date of 30 Aug 1636 belongs to a different person)

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1627
1627
Cumbernaud, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1630
1630
England
1653
1653
Age 23
1653
Age 23
1653
Age 23
1653
Age 23
1653
Age 23
1660
1660
Age 30
New Kent, Virginia, USA
1683
1683
Age 53
New Kent, Virginia
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