Thomas de Musgrave (c.1302 - c.1372) MP

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Birthplace: Great Musgrave, Westmoreland, England, (Present UK)
Death: Died in Kirkby Stephen, Westmoreland, England, (Present UK)
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About Thomas de Musgrave

Thomas de Musgrave was born c.1302 . He was the son of Sir Thomas de Musgrave and wife Sarah de Harcla.

He married, firstly, Margaret de Ros and had a son. He married, secondly, Mary Vaux, daughterr of John Vaux and widow of Thomas Holand. No children of this marriage. He married, thirdly, Isabel de Berkeley, daughter of Maurice de Berkeley, 2nd Lord Berkeley and Eva la Zouche, before 9 June 1345.

Thomas de Musgrave, 1st Lord Musgrave was created 1st Lord Musgrave.

Child of Thomas de Musgrave, 1st Lord Musgrave and Margaret de Ros

  • Sir Thomas de Musgrave+3

http://www.thepeerage.com/p13045.htm#i130449

Citations

  • [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 347. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
  • [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume IX, page 434. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
  • [S4053] Christopher Davis, "re: Barton Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger LUNDY (101053), 30 October 2009. Hereinafter cited as "re: Barton Family."
  • [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume III, page 291.

Married three wives; Margaret Ros, Mary Vaux widow of Thomas Holland, Isabel Berkeley widow of Robert Clifford, by whom he had a dau., sons Thomas and William.

The baronetage of England: or The History of the English baronets ..., Volume 1 By William Betham Pg.79

http://books.google.com/books?id=5ikwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=Richard+Musgrave+1464&source=bl&ots=cBO5icv11G&sig=DhKP5rsw0utjOLV6782SUbMuTXQ&hl=en&ei=wJD1S6brMoyusgOvurCIBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDEQ6AEwCTgy#v=onepage&q=Richard%20Musgrave%201464&f=false

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Sir. Baron Thomas Musgrave Sheriff Of York, Knight [9933]

Born: 1302, South Holme, Yorkshire, England

Marriage (1): Baroness Isabel De Clifford (Nee Berkeley) [12232] on 17 Jun 1345 in Gloucester, , Gloucestershire, England

Marriage (2): Margaret De Roos [6942] in 1335 in Youlton, Yorkshire, England

Died: 1379, Kirkby Stephen, , Westmorland, England at age 77


 General Notes:

He is reference number 1633

Appleby St Michael Church

Musgrave "There were no monuments in ye church except a recumbent female figure under a small arch on the north side of the church in ye wall & above it within ye arch was an escutcheon parted per pale in the first 6 annulets; in the second 3 water budgetts, Musgrave most likely, impaling Ross or Rous."* Hill MSS. iv, 65, citing Machell. This figure with annulet charges, & with 2 small shields on cushion, dexter, modern & unfinished; sinister, Roos coat, is now replaced in S. wall. The large stone with impaled arms (as above), and the canopy remains are lying loose, November 1887. *Sir Thomas Musgrave m. circa 1384, Margaret daughter & coh. of Sir William . Ros.

Huddleston observes that the arms for Musgrave and Ross of Youlton are found in the church of Kirkoswald, Westmorland, by which I assume this means this manor was held by the Musgrave family [Reference: C. Roy Huddleston, Cumberland Families and Heraldry, published 1978, pg. 286].

From: Renia Simmonds (PSimmonds@cwcom.net)

According to Burke's Peerage, 1953 (Musgrave of Hartley Castle), the wife of Thomas de Musgrave was Isabel, widow of Robert, son of Robert, Lord Clifford, and dau of Thomas, Lord Berkeley.

Kirkoswald Castle is not mentioned, but Thomas de Musgrave was returned to Parliament by the county of Westmorland (Ed II) and summoned as a Baron from 25 November 1350 to 4 October 1373.

Burke's 1953 (de Clifford) gives Robert, 3rd Lord de Clifford, b 1305, m June 1328, Isabel, dau of Maurice, 4th Lord Berkeley, and d 20 May 1344, leaving a son Robert. (The Cliffords were of Herefordshire, which suggests that Kirkoswald was not Clifford property, by whatever means.) Burkes 1953 (Berkeley) gives Maurice de Berkeley,

2nd Lord Berkeley, who had summons to Parliament as Lord Berkeley of Berkeley Castle 1308-1321, in 1314 he was Governor of the town and Castle of Berwick-upon-Tweed (which office was also held by Thomas de Musgrave in 21 Ed III (c1348)).

Kirkoswald was not mentioned in Domesday Book - very little of Westmorland was, it then being deemed part of Yorkshire, and being practically ignored, along with Cumberland.

The website which Chris Dickenson recommended, has this to say:

Here were anciently seated the lords of Burgh, and the knightly family of Morvil, from whom the manor of Kirkoswald passed to the Multons, and from them to the Dacres, whose co-heiress sold it to an ancestor of Sir George Musgrave, Bart, the present lord of the manor, and lord paramount of the other inferior manors in this parish, for which he holds a court at Kirkoswald, yearly.

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Sometime in or before 1399, an Isabel, styled "lady of Kirkoswald," married (as his 2nd wife) Robert Plumpton, Knt. (b. ca. 1340, died 1407), of Plumpton, County York, and afterwards in or before 1414 to Nicholas Middleton, Knt., of Stockeld. This Isabel's identity has never been ascertained.

1348 was made Governor of Berwick ans solle Justicier thuout all the Kings Lands in Scotland

1361 obtained a charter for free warren in all his Demesne Lands at Musgrave and Souleby in Westmorland, County, England with power to impark his woods, called Hevenimgs in Musgrave containing 200 acres.

1362 He was made Sheriff of Yorkshire and Govevenor of York Castle

He was later constituted Eschaetor for York and Northumberland Counties, and received 100 mark per year for his services.

1373 was associated with Bishop of Carlisle as Warden of West Marches.

1379 was taken prisoner by the Scots with his son Thomas, but by procuring 10,000 marks from Lord John Nevil they were set free.

Thomas, for his undoubted loyalty to his Prince, and upon some other Terms and considerations, had given him, by King Ed. III, Harcla or Hartley Castle, the forfeited Estate of Sir Andrew de Harcla, Earl of Carlisle who lsuffered for Treason 15Ed.2.

Others say that he purchased the Castle from Ranulph of Raby

He was also, for his signal knowledge in National Affairs, summoned by Writ, amongst The Barons of this Kingdom from 24 to 47Ed.3 inclusive (1350-1373). Dy'd 8R2 (1384)."

"In 1378 Squire Alexander Ramsay of Dalhousie seized Berwick castle. . .Ramsay found himself in a bit of a dilemas as the town was still held by Governor Thomas De Musgrave who called on the Earl of Northumberland with his young son Harry(Hotspur Percy). . .Ramsay was not popular on both sides of the border. . .many Scots borderers were hostile to a rescue attempt to help Ramsay escape. . .The English army numbered around 10,0000. . .Reluctantly the armywithdrew heading towards Melrose to supplort local forces in resisting the expected English counter attack. . .Archibald's presence had not gone unnoticed by the English as Thomas De Musgrave and several units of heavy horse quickly pursed, catching the Scots just short of Melrose." Several Scots units caught up & Musgrave was unhorsed & forced to yield for ransom by Gordon. The remaining English not already slain fled back to Berwick with news of their defeat. .". . .Archibald also knighted some of the other squires in the euphoria of victory and the prospect of much gold and silver for Musgrave and the other hostages safe return." Andrew Spratt, Reconstruction of Berwick Castle and the Battle of Melrose. - "Shellie Neighbors" sneighbors@wagonerps.org

King Hen. VII who by the Slaughter of King Rich. III in Bosworth-field, obtained the Crown. Harkla-Castle, a Seat of the antient Family of Musgraves, Men of great Renown in this County, for Thomas Musgrave, Knt. Was one of those Gentlemen in these Parts, who, upon that Invasion in the North made by David Brus, King of Scotland, put himself in Arms, and commanding the Van of the Army, gave him Battle, and having routed the Scots, took the King himself and divers of his Nobles Prisoners. He sat in Parliament from 24 Edw. III. To the forty-seventh Year of the same King, but he was the only Baron of the Family. His Descendants still kept up their Grandure, for another Thomas Musgrave, was one of the Knights of the Shire 1 Hen. IV. And in the Reign of King Philip and Queen Mary, Sir Richard Musgrave of this House was so considerable for Honour and Wealth, that Thomas Lord Wharton, who in the Reign of King Henry VIII. Had, with the Assistance of Sir William Musgrave, put 1500 Scots to flight at Carlisle, took his Daughter Anne to Wife. Heartley-Castle, another Seat of the Musgraves, more antient than the former at Harcla-Castle. We find nothing material of the Family relating to their Seat here, but this, That Thomas Musgrave of Queens College, Oxford, who was created Doctor of Divinity in 1685, Octob. 10 was Son of Sir Philip Musgrave, Bart. Of this Place, who was a Person of signal Loyalty to King Charles I. in his Troubles. This Doctor became Archdeacon of Carlisle in 1669, was installed Prebendary of Durham, July 12, 1675. as also Prebendary of Chichester, Nov. 10 1681, and at length Dean of Carlisle upon the Promotion of Dr. Thomas Smith to the Episcopal See in 1684. He died in the Beginning of April 1686. The Manor of Hertley, 13 Rich. II was the Estate of Roger Lord Clifford 4th, who died then possessed of it, and left it to his Son and Heir Thomas. Helbeck

In the chapel of Kirkby Stephen belonging to Hartley Castle is a figure of a man in armour, with a sword girt to his side, a lion couchant, and a truncheon or broken spear at his feet, with some amulets on the breast plate. This is supposed, by some, to be an effigy of Baron Musgrave, who died in 1379; and, by others, a cenotaph, in memory of Sir Andrew de Harcla, who was attainted and beheaded in 1322, by Edward II; but the former supposition is by far the most probable.

1st Lord Musgrave1

Citations

[S37 ] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 347. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.

 Noted events in his life were:

• Death: Kirkby Stephen, , Westmorland, England. Hartley Castle,

• Occupation. See Notes-Great Musgrave, Westmorland, England

Thomas married Baroness Isabel De Clifford (Nee Berkeley) [12232] [MRIN: 3417], daughter of Maurice 'The Magnanimous' De Berkeley [3327] and Baroness Eve La Zouche Of Berkeley [10022], on 17 Jun 1345 in Gloucester, , Gloucestershire, England. (Baroness Isabel De Clifford (Nee Berkeley) [12232] was born in 1307 in Wallingford, , Berkshire, England and died on 25 Jul 1362 in Kirkby Stephen, , Westmorland, England.)

Thomas next married Margaret De Roos [6942] [MRIN: 1275] in 1335 in Youlton, Yorkshire, England. (Margaret De Roos [6942] was born in 1298 in Youlton, Yorkshire, England and died on 17 Oct 1357 in Great Musgrave, , Westmorland, England.)

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Sir Thomas de Musgrave, 1st Lord Musgrave's Timeline

1302
1302
Great Musgrave, Westmoreland, England, (Present UK)
1335
1335
Age 33
Of, Youlton, Yorkshire, England
1345
1345
Age 43
Westmoreland, England, (Present UK)
1350
1350
Age 48
Kirkby Stephen, Westmoreland (Present Cumberland), England
1354
1354
Age 52
Kirkby Stephen, Westmoreland, England, (Present UK)
1372
1372
Age 70
Kirkby Stephen, Westmoreland, England, (Present UK)
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