Sybil Corbet, Lady of Alcester, Concubine #5 Of Henry I Of England

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Shows that Sibyl Corbet was probably NOT daughter of Isabel:

Mistress (5): ([1110/15]%29 SIBYL Corbet, daughter of ROBERT Corbet of Alcester, co Warwick & his [first] wife --- (-after 1157). The Complete Peerage deduces her parentage, relationship with King Henry, and her marriage from a charter, dated to [1163/75], of her son "Reginaldus, Henrici Regis filius, comes Cornubiæ" by which he granted property to "Willielmo de Boterell, filio Aliziæ Corbet, materteræ meæ" which he had granted to "Willielmo de Boterells in Cornubia, patri…predicti Willielmi" on his marriage, witnessed by "Nicholao filio meo…Herberto filio Herberti, Baldwino et Ricardo nepotibus meis, Willelmo de Vernun, Willielmo fratre meo…Hugone de Dunstanvill…"[132]. She married ([1115/25]) Herbert FitzHerbert. The [1125/35] birth date range estimated for her son Herbert, born from this marriage, suggests that she married after her relationship with the king. The Pipe Roll of 1157 records a payment to "the mother of Earl Reginald" from an estate at Mienes, Sussex[133].

King Henry I had [four] illegitimate children by Mistress (5):

11. RENAUD [de Dunstanville] ([1110/15]-Chertsey, Surrey 1 Jul [1175], bur Reading Abbey). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Rainaldus, Robertus, Gislebertus" as three illegitimate sons of King Henry I, adding that they were “adhuc iuvenes sine casamero”[253]. He is named as son of King Henry by Orderic Vitalis[254]. The Chronicle of Gervase names "fratre suo Reginaldo comite Cornubiæ" as one of the main supporters of Matilda[255]. The Complete Peerage deduces his mother´s identity from the charter, dated to [1163/75], under which "Reginaldus, Henrici Regis filius, comes Cornubiæ" granted property to "Willielmo de Boterell, filio Aliziæ Corbet, materteræ meæ" which he had granted to "Willielmo de Boterells in Cornubia, patri…predicti Willielmi" on his marriage, witnessed by "Nicholao filio meo…Herberto filio Herberti, Baldwino et Ricardo nepotibus meis, Willelmo de Vernun, Willielmo fratre meo…Hugone de Dunstanvill…"[256]. His birth date range is estimated on the basis of his marriage in [1141]. According to Domesday Descendants[257], "de Dunstanville" was a label only attributed to him by Orderic Vitalis. He inherited large areas of land in Cornwall, by right of his wife on his marriage and was created Earl of Cornwall in [Apr 1141] by his half-sister Maud, after successfully leading a rebellion in her favour in the West Country[258]. The title was later fully recognised by King Stephen. - EARLS of CORNWALL.

12. [WILLIAM (-after 1187). "…Herberto filio Herberti…Willielmo fratre meo…" subscribed the charter, dated to [1163/75], under which "Reginaldus, Henrici Regis filius, comes Cornubiæ" granted property to "Willielmo de Boterell, filio Aliziæ Corbet, materteræ meæ" which he had granted to "Willielmo de Boterells in Cornubia, patri…predicti Willielmi" on his marriage[259]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Willelmus frater comitis Reginaldi" held half of one knight´s fee from "Roberti filii Regis" in Devon[260]. Benedict of Peterborough records that Henry II King of England granted the kingdom of Limerick to "Hereberti filio Hereberti, et Willelmo fratri comitis Reginaldi, et Joellano de la Pumerai nepoti eorum" at a council in Oxford in May 1177, but that "Herbertus et Willelmus, fratres Reginaldi comitis Cornubiæ, et Joellanus de Pumeria nepos eorum" declined it at a council at Marlborough 3 Jun 1177[261]. None of the primary sources so far consulted conclusively indicates whether William was the full brother of Earl Renaud or his uterine half-brother by their mother´s marriage to Herbert FitzHerbert. However, the order in which the individuals are named in the documents quoted above suggests that William was younger than Herbert, in which case it is more likely that he was the uterine brother of the earl. The question has been confused by the possible co-identity between William, brother of Earl Renaud, and Willliam brother of Sibyl Queen of Scotland. However, as discussed above, the chronology is unfavourable for this co-identity to be correct. m ALICE, daughter of ---. "Willelmus de Marisco frater Reginaldi comitis Cornubie" names his wife Alice in a charter[262].]

13. [GUNDRED. The 1129/30 Pipe Roll records "Gunderede sorori Ragin. de Dunestanvilla" accounting for land in Wiltshire[263]. According to C. Phillips[264], this connection with Wiltshire makes it more likely that "Ragin. de Dunstanvilla" was a member of the Wiltshire Dunstanville family rather than the Earl of Cornwall. If that is correct, Gundred was not the daughter of King Henry I. This conclusion is also supported by the birth date ranges estimated for the earl of Cornwall ([1110/15], see above) and his uterine brother Herbert FitzHerbert ([1125/35], see UNTITLED ENGLISH NOBILITY D-K), which render it unlikely that they would have had a sister who is recorded as a land-holder in 1130. "…Reinaldus de Dunstanvilla…" subscribed a charter dated 28 Jun 1121 under which "Willelmus filius regis" donated "terra…Grenta de Stoca" to Bath St Peter[265]. The Dunstanville family is shown in the document UNTITLED ENGLISH NOBILITY D-K.]

14. [ROHESE (-[1176]). The parentage of Rohese is uncertain. Renaud Earl of Cornwall granted Roseworthy manor in Cornwall to his sister "Rohesia de Pomeria" in a charter[266]. The wife of Henry de la Pomerai was therefore the daughter of Sibyl Corbet, either the king´s daughter or Rohese, daughter of Herbert FitzHerbert who later married Sibyl. m (1146 or before) HENRY [I] de la Pomerai, son of JOSCELIN de la Pomerai & his wife Emma --- (-[1156/64]).]

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NOTE: Below entry from Medlands shows that Sibyl who married Alexander of Scotland was daughter of Mistress 4 and most probably NOT Sibyl Corbet:

From: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#_T...

King Henry I had two illegitimate children by Mistress(4):

9. SIBYL ([1090/95]-Island of the Women, Loch Tay, Perthshire 12/13 Jul 1122, bur Island of the Women, Loch Tay). William of Malmesbury records the marriage of Alexander to the unnamed illegitimate daughter of King Henry, but adds "there was…some defect about the lady either in correctness of manners or elegance of person"[193], which appears to imply mental retardation. Her name is confirmed by various charters, including the charter dated to [1120] under which "Alexander…Rex Scottorum filius Regis Malcolmi et Reginæ Margaretæ et…Sibilla regina Scottorum filia Henrici regis Angliæ" made grants[194]. Considering the date of her marriage, it is unlikely that she was born much later than [1095]. The Complete Peerage[195] suggests that she was the daughter of Sibyl Corbet, both because of her name and also because of the possible co-identity of "…Willelmo fratre reginæ…", who witnessed the charter dated 1124 under which "Alexander…Rex Scottorum" granted jurisdiction to the prior of Scone[196], and "…Willielmo fratre meo…" who witnessed the charter dated to [1163/75] under which "Reginaldus, Henrici Regis filius, comes Cornubiæ" granted property to "Willielmo de Boterell, filio Aliziæ Corbet, materteræ meæ"[197]. However, this co-identity is not ideal from a chronological point of view. William, brother of Renaud Earl of Cornwall, died after 1187. If he was the same person as the brother of Sibyl Queen of Scotland, he could only have been a child when he subscribed the Scottish charters in which he is named. The documents give no indication of his youth, and in any case it is probable that the queen´s [full] brother would have been born around the same time as her. In addition, as noted below, it is possible that William, brother of Earl Renaud, may have been his uterine brother, in which case it is unlikely that he would have been chosen to accompany the queen to Scotland. Another factor is that the birth of Herbert FitzHerbert, son of Sibyl Corbet by her marriage, is estimated to [1125/35] (see UNTITLED ENGLISH NOBILITY), which is clearly inconsistent with his having been the half-sister of the Scottish queen. In conclusion, it is preferable therefore to show the queen´s mother as unknown. m ([1107]%29 ALEXANDER I “the Fierce” King of Scotland, son of MALCOLM III "Caennmor/Bighead" King of Scotland & his second wife Margaret of England ([1077/78]-Stirling Castle 23, 25 or 27 Apr 1124, bur Dunfermline Abbey, Fife).

10. WILLIAM ([1090/95]-after [1129/33]). "Willelmus frater reginæ…" witnessed the possibly spurious charter dated to [1120] of "Alexander…Rex Scottorum…Sibilla regina Scottorum…"[198]. ["Willelmus filius regis" donated "terra…Grenta de Stoca" to Bath St Peter by charter dated 28 Jun 1121, subscribed by "Patricius de Caurz, Hubertus de Sancta Susanna, Winebaldus de Baalun, Alexander de Alnoth, Reinaldus de Dunstanvilla, Giffardus de Salforda…"[199]. It is not certain that the donor was the same William as the brother of the queen of Scotland, although the presence of the latter in Scotland would not exclude him having land interests in Wiltshire.] "…Willelmo fratre reginæ…" witnessed the charter dated 1124 under which "Alexander…Rex Scottorum" granted jurisdiction to the prior of Scone[200]. Maybe Constable of Scotland until about 1122. It is assumed that he was born within the same timeframe as his sister, on the assumption that the king´s relationship with their mother was relatively short-lived. As discussed above under his sister Sibyl, William has been identified as the brother of Renaud Earl of Cornwall who is recorded as alive in 1187. This appears difficult to sustain from a chronological point of view. In any case, as discussed more fully below, it is more likely that William, brother of Earl Renaud, was the earl´s uterine brother, his mother´s son by her marriage to Herbert FitzHerbert. "William the king´s son" subscribed a charter of Robert de Tosny dated [1129/33][201].

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Note:

   Sibyl (or Adela or Lucia) Corbet, living 1157, daughter and coheir of Robert Corbet, mistress of Henry I, lady of Alcester, co. Warwick and of Pontesbury and Woodcote, co. Salop (by Henry I she was mother of ReginaldFitz Roy, Earl of Cornwall). [Ancestral Roots]

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   The following additional info was supplied by Curt Hofemann,curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

   no evidence to prove that Henry I married Sibyl [Ref: Sheppard Apr65 p96]

   It is because of Henry I's personal propensities that we know something of two Corbet women who occur in the records of this period. Of his numerous mistresses Sibyl Corbet, elder daughter of Robert fitzCorbet of Longden, must have been a favourite since she bore four,possibly five, of Henry's illegitimate children. [Ref: CP XI Appendix D]

   She had a younger sister Alice. Where, when and how the liaison began between Henry and Sibyl is a mystery. He had already had children by various mistresses: among the oldest must have been Juliane, who married Eustace de Pacy lord of Breteuil in 1103, and rebelled against herfather; and Robert, born of an unknown woman of Caen, who was created earl of Gloucester by his father in 1122. [Ref Corbet citing: CP V:683:the suggestion that he was the son of Sibyl Corbet is probably correct]

   The known children by Sibyl Corbet were Rainaud de Dunstanville, his brother William and sisters Gundred and Rohese; it is also possible, but not certain, that Sibyl was the mother of the king's illegitimate daughter Sibyl who was married to Alexander after he became king of the Scots in 1107. [Ref: Corbet citing: A.C. Lawrie, Early Scottish Charters,Glasgow 1905:charter XXXVI to Scone Priory, Alexander I, c. 1120, witnessed by Queen Sibyl and her brother William; she died 12 June 1122 on an island in Loch Tay to which Alexander granted charter XLVII, to canons of Scone]

   Note 1: Sheppard = Walter Lee Sheppard, Royal Bye-Blows II: The Illegitimate Royal Offspring from Edward III To Queen Anne, NEHGR vol 21,1967.

   Note 2: Corbet = The Corbett Study Group,http://website.lineone.net/~corbett_group/First/people.htm

   specifically: The Anglo Norman Corbets by Barbara Coulton.

   Regards,

   Curt

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   The following material was excerpted from The Corbet Study Group, J.C.Nobel, online at

   http://website.lineone.net/~corbett_group/First/people.htm:

   The Anglo Norman Corbets by Barbara Coulton

   Prominent at Matilda's 'court' were several connections of the Corbetfamily through Sibyl and her sister Alice. Sibyl had married Herbert fitzHerbert, a son of the chamberlain of Henry I; Alice married a kinsman of Brien fitz Count, of Wallingford, one of the empress's main supporters: he was William Boterel of Botreaux. Sibyl's son Herbert fitzHerbert married Lucy, daughter of Miles earl of Hereford. . . .

   We do not know when or where Sibyl and her sister Alice died, but there is an odd footnote to their history in an old account of Asthall church in Oxfordshire. "On the north side of the church ... is the effigy of afemale figure recumbent, on a stone coffin, situated within an elegantly Gothic arch. It is said to contain the remains of Alice Corbett, concubine to King Henry I., the daughter of Sir Robert Corbett of Warwickshire." So a memory lingered, though confused.

   Note: Was this "confused" effigy of Sibyl rather than Alice? Or was Alice also a mistress of Henry I?

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http://www.mathematical.com/corbetsybilla.html

Lady Sybilla Corbet of Alcester was born in 1077 in Alcester in Warwickshire. She married Herbert FitzHerbert, son of Herbert 'the Chamberlain' of Winchester and Emma de Blois. She died after 1157 and was also known as Adela (or Lucia) Corbet.

Sybilla was a mistress of King Henry I. By Henry I, Sybil was definitely mother of Sybil and Rainald, possibly also of William and Rohese. Some sources suggest that there was another daughter by this relationship, Gundred, but it appears that she was thought as such because she was a sister of Reginald de Dunstanville but it appears that that was another person of that name who was not related to this family. Chilren with Henry I:

1.Sybilla de Normandy, married Alexander I of Scotland.

2.William Constable, born before 1105. Married Alice (Constable); died after 1187.

3.Reginald de Dunstanville, 1st Earl of Cornwall.

4.Gundred of England (1114–46), married 1130 Henry de la Pomeroy, son of Joscelin de la Pomerai.

5.Rohese of England, born 1114; married Henry de la Pomerai.

6.Elizabeth of England married Fergus of Glloway and had issue.

[G. E. Cokayne, in his Complete Peerage, Vol. XI, Appendix D pps 105-121 attempts to elucidate Henry I's illegiimate children. For Mistress Sybil Corbet, he indicates that Rohese married Henry de la Pomerai [ibid.:119]. In any case, the dates concerning Rohese in the above article are difficult to reconcile on face value, her purported children having seemingly been born before their mother, and also before the date of her mother's purported marriage.]

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Wikipedia:

Lady Sybilla Corbet of Alcester was born in 1077 in Alcester in Warwickshire. She married Herbert FitzHerbert, son of Herbert 'the Chamberlain' of Winchester and Emma de Blois. She died after 1157 and was also known as Adela (or Lucia) Corbet. Sybil was definitely mother of Sybil and Rainald, possibly also of William and Rohese. Some sources suggest that there was another daughter by this relationship, Gundred, but it appears that she was thought as such because she was a sister of Reginald de Dunstanville but it appears that that was another person of that name who was not related to this family.

Sybilla de Normandy , married Alexander I of Scotland

William Constable, born before 1105. Married Alice (Constable); died after 1187.

Reginald de Dunstanville, 1st Earl of Cornwall

Gundred of England (1114–46), married 1130 Henry de la Pomeroy, son of Joscelin de la Pomerai.

Rohese of England, born 1114; married William de Tracy (b. 1040 in Normandy, France d. 1110 in Barnstaple, Devon, England)son of Turgisus de Tracy. They married in 1075. They had four children 1)Turgisus II de Tracy b. 1066, 2) Henry de Tracy b. 1068, 3) Gieva de Tracy b. 1068 d. 1100, 4)Henry of Barnstaple Tracy b. 1070 d.1170.

[G. E. Cokayne, in his Complete Peerage, Vol. XI, Appendix D pps 105-121 attemps to elucidate Henry I's illegiimate children. For Mistress Sybil Corbet, he indicates that Rohese married Henry de la Pomerai [ibid.:119]. In any case, the dates concerning Rohese in the above article are difficult to reconcile on face value, her purported children having seemingly been born before their mother, and also before the date of her mother's purported marriage.]

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Lady Sybilla Corbet of Alcester was born in 1077 in Alcester in Warwickshire, England. She died after 1157 and was also known as Adela (or Lucia) Corbet. Sybil was definitely mother of Sybil and Rainald, possibly also of William and Rohese. Children: 1. Rohese FitzRoy FitzHerbert b: 1114 in Blaen Llyfni, Brecknockshire, , Wales 2. Mabille Mabilie Richilde D'Angleterre b: ABT 1095 in England 3. Constance FitzHenry Princess Of England b: 1098 in Selby, Yorkshire, England 4. Reginald I Earl of Cornwall De Dunstanville b: 1110 in Kent, England 5. Robert I Earl of Gloucester De Caen b: 1090 in Caen, , Normandy, France 6. Sibyl Elizabeth of Scotland b: 1091 in Westminster, Middlesex, England

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Sibil is the ancestress of the Herbert's, Earls of Pembroke, the Finches, Earls of Winchelsea.

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Lady Sybilla Corbet of Alcester was born in 1077 in Alcester in Warwickshire, England. She died after 1157 and was also known as Adela (or Lucia) Corbet. Sybil was definitely mother of Sybil and Rainald, possibly also of William and Rohese. Children: 1. Rohese FitzRoy FitzHerbert b: 1114 in Blaen Llyfni, Brecknockshire, Wales 2. Mabille Mabilie Richilde D'Angleterre b: ABT 1095 in England 3. Constance FitzHenry Princess Of England b: 1098 in Selby, Yorkshire, England 4. Reginald I Earl of Cornwall De Dunstanville b: 1110 in Kent, England 5. Robert I Earl of Gloucester De Caen b: 1090 in Caen, , Normandy, France 6. Sibyl Elizabeth of Scotland b: 1091 in Westminster, Middlesex, England

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