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Nicknames: "Tetrada", "Theodrada", "Theodrate"
Birthplace: Italia
Death: Died in Aachen, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
Managed by: Kim Groneman
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About Theodrate d'Italie

The wife of Lambert de Nantes was one of the four daughters of Pepin of Italy: Athalia, Gundreda, Bertha or Theodrade.

According to Winkhaus, one of Pepin's illegitimate daughters married Lambert I, comte de Nantes. (Medlands).

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Italy Kings (covering her birth family):

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ITALY,%20Kings%20to%20962.htm#PepinIItalyB

PEPIN 781-811


CARLOMAN [Pepin], son of CHARLES I King of the Franks & his second wife Hildegard (777-Milan 8 Jul 810, bur Verona, San Zeno Maggiore).

"Pippinus" is named, and his parentage recorded, in the Gesta Mettensium, which specifies that he was his parents' second son[614].  

He was baptised "PEPIN" in Rome 15 Apr 781 by Pope Hadrian, Settipani commenting that his name was changed from Carloman[615] but the primary source which identifies him by this name has not so far been identified.

He was crowned PEPIN King of Italy 15 Apr 781 at Rome[616], named King of the Lombards and installed at Pavia, ruling under the regency of Adalhard.

He invaded the duchy of Benevento in early 793. The 796 victory of "rex Pippinus" against the Avars led by "Cacanus rex" (which reflects the title "Khagan" not his name) is commemorated in a contemporary poem[617]. The Annales Fuldenses record that "Ehericum ducem Foroiuliensem, deinde…Pippinum filium regis" captured the camp of "Hunorum…Hringum" in 796, specifying that "Cagan et Iugurro principibus Hunorum" were killed by their own people[618].

At the partition of the empire agreed at Thionville in 806, Pepin was designated sovereign of Italy, Bavaria, Carinthia (except Nordgau) and Alemannia south of the River Danube. He subjugated Istria, the towns of Dalmatia, and Venice in [810][619].

The Annales Fuldenses record the death "810 VIII Id Iul" of "Pippinum filius eius regem Italiæ"[620]. The Annales Sancti Emmerammi record the death "810 Id Iul" of "Pippinus"[621].

Mistress (1): (from [795]) --- .

Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that Pepin's son Bernard was born "…ex concubina"[622]. However, other sources do not refer to the fact that he was illegitimate. The question is not beyond doubt.

Assuming that he was illegitimate, the name of King Pepin's mistress is not known. Settipani quotes a name list in the Liber confraternitatum augiensis which reads "Karolus maior domus, Pippin rex, Karlomannus maior domus, Karolus imperator, Karolus rex, Pippin rex, Bernardus rex, Ruadtrud, Ruadheid, Svanahild regina, Bertha regina, Hiltikart regina, Fastrat regina, Liutkart regina, Ruadheid, Hirminkar regina"[623]. He makes the obvious links between "Karolus maior domus…Svanahild regina", "Pippin rex…Bertha regina" and "Karolus imperator…Hiltikart regina, Fastrat regina, Liutkart regina", deducing that the last named "Ruadheid" must be linked logically to "Pippin rex".

However, this link is not inevitable. It is based on three assumptions: firstly that the second "Pippin rex" was Pepin King of Italy (he is the most likely candidate, but it could also be Pepin King of Aquitaine, son of Emperor Louis I); secondly that there are no female names linked either to "Karolus rex" or to "Bernardus rex", which cannot be proved; and thirdly, that all the females listed were partners of the males listed, which is certainly not the case in view of the absence of Emperor Louis I "le Pieux" who is assumed to be the husband of "Hirminkar regina".

Rösch suggests Bertha as the possible name of King Pepin's wife, citing Stromeyer[624]. Settipani suggests that she was a close relative of Adalhard Abbé de Corbie and his half-brother Wala to explain the appointment of the former as regent for her son Bernard King of Italy in 813.

King Pepin had one illegitimate child by Mistress (1):

1. BERNARD ([797]-Milan 17 Aug 818, bur Milan, San Ambrosio).

Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names "Bernhardus filius Pippini ex concubina"[625].

He was confirmed 11 Sep 813 at Aix-la-Chapelle as BERNARD I King of Italy.

King Pepin had five [illegitimate] children by [Mistress (1)]. Einhard, who names these daughters, makes no mention of whether they were legitimate or not. If they were illegitimate, it is not known whether they were full sisters of Bernard.

2. ADELAIS ([798]-after 810).

"Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[626].

She was taken from Italy to the imperial court in 807[627].

same person as…? AEDA .

The Carmen de Primordiis Cœnobii Gandersheimensis names the wife of "Liudulfus" as "Oda…Francorum…de stirpe potentum, filia Billungi…atque Aedæ"[628]. Her precise origin is mentioned in the charter dated 885 by which "Oda comitissa, Pipini regis Italiæ ex filia neptis, Hliudolfi Ducis vidua" founded Kloster Calbe an der Milde, although the accuracy of this document is not known[629].

m BILLUNG, son of ---.

3. ADULA ([800/810]-after 810).

"Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[630].

She arrived at the imperial court before 814.

4. GUNTRADA ([800/810]-after 810).

"Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[631].

She arrived at the imperial court before 814.

5. BERTAIDE ([800/810]-after 810).

"Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[632].

She arrived at the imperial court before 814.

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6. THEODRADA ([800/810]-after 810).

"Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[633].

She arrived at the imperial court before 814.

[According to Winkhaus[634], one of the last four daughters married LAMBERT I Comte de Nantes, son of WIDO Comte et Marquis de Nantes & his wife --- (-Ticino 30 Dec 836), but the source on which this is based has not been identified.]

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References:

[614] Pauli Gesta Episcop. Mettensium, MGH SS II, p. 265.

[615] Settipani (1993), p. 211.

[616] RFA 781, p. 59.

[617] Tituli Sæculi VIII, XI De Pippini regis Victoria Avarica, MGH Poetæ Latini ævi Carolini I, p. 116.

[618] Annales Fuldenses 796, MGH SS I, p. 351.

[619] Settipani (1993), p. 211.

[620] Annales Fuldenses 810, MGH SS I, p. 355.

[621] Annales Sancti Emmerammi Ratisponensis maiores 810, MGH SS I, p. 93.

[622] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 22, MGH SS II, p. 596.

[623] Settipani (1993), pp. 167-8, quoting Liber confraternitatum augiensis, MGH Lib Confr II, 460, p. 292.

[624] Rösch, S. (1977) Caroli Magni Progenies (Verlag Degener & Co, Neustadt an der Aisch), p. 67, citing Stromeyer, M. (1963/67) Merian-Ahnen aus dreizehn Jahrhunderten (C.A. Starke).

[625] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 22, MGH SS II, p. 596.

[626] Einhard 19, p. 454.

[627] Settipani (1993), p. 212.

[628] Carmen de Primordiis Cœnobii Gandersheimensis, MGH SS IV, p. 306.

[629] Riedel Mark 1 [the full reference is not given], p. 25, quoted in Raumer, G. W. von (1836) Regesta Historiæ Brandenburgensis, Tome I (Berlin), p. 24.

[630] Einhard 19, p. 454.

[631] Einhard 19, p. 454.

[632] Einhard 19, p. 454.

[633] Einhard 19, p. 454.

[634] Winkhaus, E. 'Ahnen zu Karl dem Großen und Widukind' in 765 (773) Ahnenstämmen (1950-53), cited in Rösch (1977), p. 67. This marriage is not in Settipani (1993), p. 212.

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Central Italy (covering her, or one of her three other sisters', possible married life):

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20ITALY.htm#LambertIdied836B

LAMBERT, son of WIDO Comte et Marquis de Nantes & his wife --- (-Ticino 30 Dec 836).

The primary source which confirms the parentage of Lambert has not yet been identified. He succeeded as Count of the Breton march.

The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names "Walam et Warnarium, necnon et Lambertum sed et Ingobertum" as missi [in 813], recording that "Warnarius comes…accito nepote Lantberto" acted without the knowledge of "Wala et Ingelberto"[808].

He was expelled from Aachen with his uncle Werner in 814 by King Louis I after the death of Emperor Karl I, Werner being killed in the conflict which followed[809].

The forces of "Count Lambert" defeated and killed Wihomarc who had rebelled in Brittany in 825[810].

"Lambert" was one of the supporters of the rebellion of co-Emperor Lothar I in 833/34, and consequently lost his position in the Breton march[811]. The Annales Fuldenses record fighting with "Mahtfredo et Lantberto", during which battle "Uodo comes Aurelianensium et Theodo abbas sancti Martini Turonensis" were killed[812].

In 834 he was sent to Italy where Lothar gave him land and installed him as LAMBERT I Marchese and Duke of Spoleto.

The Annales Fuldenses record the earthquake at Ticino in Italy "837 III Kal Ian" in which "plures ex primoribus Italiæ" were killed including "Lantbertus et Hugus"[813]. The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "Wala Corbeiensis abbas, Matfridus, Hugo, Lantbertus, Godefridus, itemque filius eius Godefridus, Agimbertus comes Pertensis…sed et Richardus" died between "Kal Sep usque ad missam sancti Martini" [in 836][814].

m [--- of Italy, daughter of PEPIN I King of Italy & his mistress ---.

According to Winkhaus[815], one of the last four daughters of Pepin King of Italy married Lambert Comte de Nantes, but the source on which this is based has not been identified.]

Comte Lambert & his wife had [eight] children:

1. LAMBERT (-killed in battle 1 May 852, bur Savenai).

The Chronicon Fontanellensis names "Lambertus comes et Wernarius frater eius" when recording that they fought in Brittany[816] but the primary source which specifies Lambert's parentage explicitly has not yet been identified.

He established himself as Comte de Nantes in 843, asserting his independence from Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks, and distributed the honores of the Breton march among his supporters.

2. DODA (-after [846]).

"Soror Lamberti…Doda" is named "S Clementis civitatis Nanneticæ Monasterio…Abbatissa" in an undated passage[817].

Abbess of Saint-Clément at Nantes and at Craon [846].

The Chronicle of Nantes names "Lamberti soror…Doda" as abbess of St Clement, Nantes[818].

3. GUIDO [Wido] (-[860]).

The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. He accompanied Emperor Lothar north of the Alps in 840 and was granted Kloster Mettlach, but renounced it in 842 before returning to Italy[819].

He was invested in 842 as GUIDO II Duke and Count of Spoleto, Lord of the Abruzzi. He supported his brother-in-law Siconulf Prince of Salerno in his war with Radelchis Prince of Benevento[820].

m ([843/44]) ---. The name and origin of Guido´s wife is not known.

Duke Guido & his wife had four children:.

4. WERNER [Warnarius] (-executed 853).

The Chronicon Fontanellensis names "Lambertus comes et Wernarius frater eius" when recording that they fought in Brittany and that Werner was captured by "Gausberto comite"[842].

Comte en Bretagne.

5. [--- . The identity of the father of Guido IV Duke of Spoleto and his sister Ita is not known. Their descent from Lambert I Marchese and Duke of Spoleto is confirmed by the Chronica Mon. Casinensis which records that Ita´s grandson "Gisulfus…Salernitanus princeps filius Guaimarii" donated property possessed by "Lambertus dux et marchio…in comitatu Marsicano, et Balva, et Forcone, et Amiterno, necnon et marchia Firmana et ducatu Spoletino" to the monastery[843].

The estimated birth date attributed to Ita means that it is unlikely that she could have been the daughter of a brother of Emperor Guido. The most likely possibility is therefore that they were the children of one of the emperor´s paternal uncles, possibly the same person as one of the other possible sons of Lambert I who are shown in this document.

m ---.]

Two children.

6. [---. m ---.]

[One child]: Konrad, d. before 926 who m. Ermengarde.

7. [---. m ---.]

a) GUNFERIO .

Seigneur d'Erbauges, in Brittany.

The Chronicle of Nantes records how "Lambertus" granted "Gunferio nepoti suo, regionem Herbadillicum" after he became comte de Nantes[851]. The precise relationship between the two men has not yet been identified.

8. [ITTA (-after [Nov/Dec] 849).

The Chronicon Salernitanum names "Sikenolfus…suæ coniugis Ittæ" when recording that she survived her husband[852]. The origin of Prince Siconulf's wife is not known. Erchempert names "Guido dux Spoletanorum, Siconulfi cognatus" when recording that the former attacked the latter, dated to [843/43][853]. The Chronicon Salernitanum also names "Sikenolfus…suum cognatum Guidonem" when recording the same event[854].

This has been interpreted in two ways. Hlawitschka and Bougard proposed that the relationship indicated was that Guido of Spoleto had married a sister of Siconulf, daughter of Sico I Prince of Benevento[855]. On the other hand, Taviani Carozzi and Settipani considered that the correct interpretation was that Siconulf´s wife was Guido´s sister[856], and therefore Itta di Spoleto, daughter of . Stasser approves the principle argument in favour of the latter hypothesis, which is based on the Chronicon Salernitanum recording the marriages of three of the daughters of "Sico princeps" and adding that the author could not remember the husbands of the others[857], and the unlikelihood that a marriage of one daughter with Guido of Spoleto would have been forgotten.

The difficulty with both hypotheses is the assumption that "cognatus" should be interpreted only as meaning "brother-in-law", although the word could indicate a more remote family relationship.

m SICONULF Prince of Salerno, son of SICO I Prince of Benevento & his wife --- (-Salerno [Nov/Dec] 849).]

References:

[808] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 21, MGH SS II, p. 618.

[809] Mitterauer, Michael Karolingische Marken in Südosten, p. 69.

[810] RFA 825, p. 117.

[811] Scholz, B. W. with Rogers, B. (2000) Carolingian Chronicles: Royal Frankish Annals and Nithard's Histories (University of Michigan Press) (“Nithard”) I.5, p. 135, and McKitterick (1983), p. 266.

[812] Annales Fuldenses 834, MGH SS I, p. 360.

[813] Annales Fuldenses 837, MGH SS I, p. 360.

[814] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 56, MGH SS II, p. 642.

[815] Winkhaus, E. 'Ahnen zu Karl dem Großen und Widukind' in 765 (773) Ahnenstämmen (1950-53), cited in Rösch, p. 67. This marriage is not in Settipani (1993), p. 212.

[816] Chronicon Fontanellense 850, MGH SS II, p. 303.

[817] Historia Britanniæ Armoricæ, RHGF VII, p. 48, the date 844 added in the margin by the editor next to a preceding passage.

[818] Merlet, R. (ed.) (1896) La chronique de Nantes (Paris) X, p. 29.

[819] Lexikon des Mittelalters, Band IX, p. 67.

[820] Thiele, Band II, Teilband 2, Tafel 389.

[842] Chronicon Fontanellense 850, MGH SS II, p. 303.

[843] Leonis Marsicani, Chronica Monasterii Casinensis II.6, MGH SS VII, p. 707.

[851] Chronique de Nantes VIII, p. 22.

[852] Chronicon Salernitanum 92, MGH SS III, p. 514.

[853] Erchemperti Historia Langobardorum 17, MGH SS III, p. 247.

[854] Chronicon Salernitanum 82, MGH SS III, p. 509.

[855] Stasser (2008), p. 384, citing Hlawitschka, E. ´Waren die Kaiser Wido und Lambert Nachkommen Karls des Großen?´, Quellen und Forschungen aus italienischen Archiven und Bibliotheken, Vol. 63 (1969), pp. 366-86, 384 note 64, and Bougard, F. ´La cour et le gouvernement de Louis II (840-875)´, Le Jan, R. (ed.) (1998) La royauté et les élites dans l´Europe carolingienne (Villeneuve d´Ascq), p. 254 note 26.

[856] Stasser (2008), p. 384, citing Taviani Carozzi, H. (1991) La principauté lombarde de Salerne (IX-XI siècle), 2 Vols. (Rome), pp. 340-4, and Settipani, C. (1998) Les Widonides. Le destin d´une famille aristocratique franque au VIe au Xe siècle (Paris), p. 50.

[857] Chronicon Salernitanum 55, MGH SS III, p. 496.

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Ben M. Angel notes: Theodrada (as spelled in FMG's Medlands) may or may not have been wife to Lambert of Nantes. The only thing that Medlands says is that her or one of her four other sisters/half-sisters was his wife.

Reviewing the different Wikipedia pages for Lambert of Nantes:

In Brezhoneg (language of Breton):

http://br.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_Ia%C3%B1_Naoned

No data, but sources are offered up.

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In Català (Catalan):

http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_I_de_Nantes

Data, but no sources - no conclusion on which wife either.

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In Deutsch (German):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_I._von_Nantes

No conclusion, but lots of sources.

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In English:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_I_of_Nantes

The conclusion is " Adelaide of Lombardy, the eldest daughter of Pepin of Italy", but no sources are given.

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In Français (French):

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_Ier_de_Nantes

The conclusion is Théodrade d'Italie, with the following footnote:

Fr: Eduard Hlawitschka, donne Rotrudis comme épouse de Lambert et mère de ses enfants. Il fait d'elle une fille de l'Empereur Lothaire Ier

En: Eduard Hlawitschka places Rotrude as the wife of Lambert and mother of his children. This makes her a daughter of Emperor Lothair I.

(Unclear about what this means, as there is no Rotrude referred to in the passage.)

Sources

André Chédeville & Hubert Guillotel La Bretagne des saints et des rois Ve-Xe siècle Editions Ouest France (1984) (ISBN 2858826137)

Noël-Yves Tonnerre Naissance de la Bretagne. Géographie historique et structures sociales de la Bretagne méridionale (Nantais et Vannetais) de la fin du VIIIe à la fin du XIIe siècle, Presses de l'Université d'Angers Angers (1994) (ISBN 2903075589).

Régine Le Jan Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siècle) Tableau généalogique « Les Widonides » p. 441 . Publication de la Sorbonne (1995) (ISBN 2859442685)

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In Galego:

http://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamberto_I_de_Nantes

No information on marriage or children.

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In Russian:

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82_I_(%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0)

The conclusion is Theodrada, likely based on an interpretation of what is said in FMG's Medlands:

Брак и дети (Marriage and children)

Жена: Теодрада, дочь Пипина, короля Италии.

Wife: Theodrada, daughter of Pepin, King of Italy.

Дети:

1. Ламберт II (ум. 852), граф Нанта 843—846, 849—851

2. Гвидо I (ум. 860), герцог и маркграф Сполето с 842

3. Дода (ум. после 846), аббатиса монастыря Сен-Климент в Нанте и Краоне

4. Вернер (Варнариус) (ум. 853), граф в Бретани

Children:

1. Lambert II (d. 852), Comte de Nantes 843-846, 849-851

2. Guido I (d. 860), Duke and Markgraf of Spoleto c.842

3. Doda (d. around 846), Abbess of the Convent of San Clemente in Nantes and Craon.

4. Werner (Warnarius) (d. 853), Comte in Breton

Литература (Literature)

Chédeville André, Guillotel Hubert. La Bretagne des saints et des rois Ve-Xe siècle. — Editions Ouest France, 1984. — 423 p. — ISBN 2858826137

Tonnerre Noël-Yves. Naissance de la Bretagne. Géographie historique et structures sociales de la Bretagne méridionale (Nantais et Vannetais) de la fin du VIIIe à la fin du XIIe siècle. — Angers: Presses de l'Université d'Angers, 1994. — 625 p. — ISBN 2903075581

Le Jan Régine. Tableau généalogique «Les Widonides» // Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe—Xe siècle). — Publication de la Sorbonne, 1995. — P. 441. — ISBN 2859442685

Ссылки (Links)

NORTHERN ITALY: DUKES and MARCHESI of SPOLETO: LAMBERT (англ.). Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Проверено 20 июля 2009.

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In Ukrainian:

http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82_I_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9

No family information.

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Results: The French and the Russian authors seem to like Theodrada, while the English author liked "Adelaide" (presumably Adula, as Adelais is already figured to be bride of Billung), as bride of Lambert of Nantes.

To be honest, none of these produces much confidence in their answers. The Russian version cites sources, but seems to rely on FMG, which placed the marker for Lambert on Theodrada merely because she was the last sister in the list. The other two do not provide sources. (The most thorough, the German, does not go out on a limb to name Lambert's wife.)

Conclusion: Probably best to leave Theodrada as the designated wife for now, until more conclusive evidence is produced (if ever it is).

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As an interesting aside, all of the Wikipedia articles list the cause of death for Lambert as that of an epidemic, while FMG lists it as an earthquake.

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Theodrate d'Italie's Timeline

800
800
Italia
827
827
Age 27
Craon, Mayenne, Pays de la Loire, France
834
834
Age 34
France
836
September 1, 836
Age 36
Aachen, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
837
837
Age 36
Francie occidentale (Present France)
1991
November 26, 1991
Age 36
1992
January 29, 1992
Age 36
May 1, 1992
Age 36
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