Thierry d'Autun, comte d'Autun ["(c.745 - ", "793)", " "] MP

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Nicknames: "Teudoin", "Theodoen", "Theodoric", "Thierry"
Birthplace: Autun, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France
Death: Died in Toulouse,,,France
Occupation: Comte d'Autun, Comte de Reims, Comte de Madrie, Comte de Ripuairie
Managed by: Francisco Miguel de Araujo Parreira Barrão Martins da Rocha Antunes
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About Thierry d'Autun, comte d'Autun

From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Burgundian Nobility (including his parents and brother's family):

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Teudoindied826

THEODERIC [I], son of --- (-[791/15 Dec 804]).

The origin of Comte Theoderic is not known. An interesting speculation is a relationship with the early Saxon leader Widukind, as explained above. Comte d'Autun. Einhard indicates that Theoderich was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 the king sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis"[25], the relationship probably being through the wife of Theoderic [I] (see below). "Carolus…rex Francorum et Langobardorum" gave a judgment by charter dated to [Dec 775] which names "fidelibus…Widrigo, Odrigo, Theodrico, Bernehardo, Albuino, Aginhardo, Berngario comitibus et Anshelmo comite palacii nostri"[26]. Einhard records that Charles I King of the Franks sent "Theodorico comite et Meginfredo camerario suo" to "aquilonalem Danubii ripam" in 791[27]. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[28].

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1) TEUDOIN (-826 or after).

"Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone.

Comte d'Autun 804/26.

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2) GUILLAUME ([750/55]-Gellone [28 May [812/13]/21 May 815]). Comte de Toulouse, Marquis de Septimanie.

(Two sons, one grandson)

i) BERNARD ([795]-executed Toulouse Saint-Sernin 844). "Willelmus…comes" names "filiabus meis et filiis Barnardo, Witchario, Gotcelmo, Helimbruch" (version two: "filios meos et filias Witcario, Hildehelmo et Helinbruch") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone, Bernard being named in only one of the versions[29]. Flodoard refers to "Bernardo comiti Tolosano, propinquo suo [Teodulfo comite]"[30]. Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "quondam duce Bernhardo, qui erat de stirpe regali" was accused of violating "Iudith reginam" but comments that this was all lies[31]. Comte d'Autun until 830. Marquis de Septimanie until 831. He was installed as Count of Barcelona in 827 or before. Einhard's Annales name "Bernhardus…Barcinonæ comes" in 827[32]. The Annales Fuldenses record that "Barnhardus comes Barcinonensis" was made camerarius in the palace in 829[33]. Emperor Louis I appointed "Bernard Duke of Septimania" as his chamberlain and entrusted his son Charles to him, but he "recklessly abused the imperial power…and undermined it entirely". He was banished to Septimania in [Apr 830] by the emperor's sons who rebelled against their father[34]. The Annales Bertiniani record that "præfatus Bernardus" fled to Barcelona in 830[35]. The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "Bernhardus" fled into exile in Spain and was deprived of his honours [in 831][36]. The same source records that "Werinus et Bernhardus comites" gathered a force in Burgundy and reached "Matronam fluvium" [in 834][37]. The Annales Bertiniani record that "Bernardus comes marcæ Hispanicæ" was sentenced to death in 844[38]. The Annales Xantenses record that "Bernhardus comes" was killed "a Karolo" in 844, after which "filio Bernhardi" and "Pippinus rex Aquitainiæ, filius Pippini" defeated the king's army[39]. The Annales Fuldenses record that "Karolus" killed "Bernhardum Barcenonensium ducem" in 844 "incautem et nihil ab eo suspicantem"[40].

(a) BERNARD "Plantevelue" (Uzès 22 Mar 841-[20 Jun 885/16 Aug 886], maybe 6 Jan 886). The Manual of Dhuoda records the birth "XI Kal Apr", in the year following the death of Emperor Louis, at "Uzecia urbes" of the second child [Bernard] of Doda and her husband Bernard[41]. The Annales Bertiniani name "rex markiones Bernardum scilicet Tolosæ et iterum Bernardum Gothiæ, itemque Bernardum alium" in 868[42]. Lay Abbot of Brioude 857/68. Comte d'Autun 864/69, deposed. Comte de Rodez 864/74. Comte d'Auvergne after 872. The Annales Bertiniani name "Bernardum Arvenicum comitem" in 877[43]. He obtained the county of Mâcon during the wars between the Carolingians and the Bosonids[44]. The 13th century obituary of the Eglise primatiale de Lyon records the death "VIII Id Jan" of "Bernardus comes"[45].

ii) THEODERIC [IV] (-soon after 826). The Manual of Dhuoda names (in order) "Willelmus, Chungundis, Gariberga, Vuithbergis, Teddericus, Gothzelmus, Guarnarius, Rothlindis" as relatives of Bernard, husband of Doda[46], which suggests that the last four named were the children of Guillaume by his second wife "Vuithbergis", assuming that all four were his children. Comte d'Autun. "Theodericus comes in Augustiduno civitate" issued a charter dated Dec 815 subscribed by "Dotinus, Ado, Bligario vicecomite, Girbaudus vicarius"[47]. "Fredelus advocatus Hildebrandi comitis" is named in a judgment of "Theodericus comes" in a charter dated Mar 818[48]. The judgment of "Theoderico comite" ordered the restitution of property at Baugy claimed by "Fulchardus advocatus…Nivelongo comiti" in a charter dated Apr 818[49].

References:

[25] Einhardi Annales 782, MGH SS I, p. 163.

[26] DD Kar. 1, 110, p. 155.

[27] Einhardi Annales 791, MGH SS I, p. 177.

[28] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

[29] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

[30] Flodoardus Remensis Historia Remensis Ecclesiæ III, XXVI, MGH SS XXXVI, p. 338.

[31] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 36, MGH SS II, p. 597.

[32] Einhardi Annales 827, MGH SS I, p. 216.

[33] Annales Fuldenses 829, MGH SS I, p. 360.

[34] Scholz, B. W. with Rogers, B. (2000) Historiarum libri, Carolingian Chronicles: Royal Frankish Annals and Nithard's Histories (University of Michigan Press), I.3, p. 131.

[35] Annales Bertiniani I 830.

[36] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 46 and 47, MGH SS II, pp. 634-5.

[37] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 50, MGH SS II, p. 637.

[38] Annales Bertiniani II 848 and 850.

[39] Annales Xantenses 844, MGH SS II, p. 227.

[40] Annales Fuldensium Pars Secunda, auctore Euodolfo 844, MGH SS I, p. 364.

[41] Bondurand, E. (ed.) (1887) Manuel de Dhuoda 843 (Paris), Introduction, 5, p. 52.

[42] Annales Bertiniani III 868, footnote 1 naming "tertius Bernardus qui honoribus privatus fuerat 864 in conventu Pistensi filius erat Bernardus Septimaniæ ducis qui in 844 a Carolo Calvo occisus est".

[43] Annales Bertiniani III 877.

[44] Annales Fuldenses 880, cited in Bouchard (1987), p. 261.

[45] Obituaires de Lyon I, Eglise primatiale de Lyon, footnote 2 identifying the entry with Bernard "Plantevelue".

[46] Manuel de Dhuoda LXXII, p. 237.

[47] Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire X, p. 24.

[48] Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire XII, p. 28.

[49] Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire XIII, p. 29.

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From the French Wikipedia page on Theoden d'Autun:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoen_d%27Autun

Theodoen, Teudoin ou Thiouin est un comte d'Autun des VIIIe et IXe siècles de la famille des Guilhemides. Il est fils de Thierry Ier, comte d'Autun, et d'Alda, elle-même fille de Charles-Martel.

Biographie

Il n'est cité comme comte d'Autun dans la charte que son frère Guillaume établit le 15 décembre 804 lors de la fondation de l'abbaye de Gellone avec deux autres frères, Alleaume (ou Adalhelm) et un Thierry qui n'est pas mentionné dans toutes les chartes[1],[2].

Mariage et enfants

Son épouse n'est pas connue. On sait qu'il est père de [1],[2] :

Thierry II, comte d'Autun

peut-être d'Abba, mariée à Warin et mère d'Isembart (en) (800 † 858), comte d'Autun de 853 à 858.

Inspiration littéraire

Il est mis en scène dans le roman Le poignard et le poison de Marc Paillet, comme comte d'Autun en 796, où il accable d'impôt le peuple, par l'intermédiaire de son vicomte Alric et de son intendant Bodert, qui en profitent pour abuser de ses ordres et faire fortune. De nombreux paysans quittent leur tenure et se réunissent autour d'un rebelle, Doremus. À la suite d'un litige avec l'évêque Martin sur la propriété de quatre manses, Charlemagne envoie deux missi dominici, le comte Childebrand et l'abbé saxon Erwin[3], qui finissent par rétablir l'ordre dans l'Autunois et mettre au jour la culpabilité de Thiouin, qui est contraint de céder le comté à son fils avant d'être jugé au plaid de Charlemagne[4].

Notes et références

1.↑ a et b Foundation for Medieval Genealogy.

2.↑ a et b Settipani 1993, p. 345.

3.↑ Childebrand II a effectivement été envoyé en mission à Autun par Charlemagne à cette date, mais il semble que le comte d'Autun d'alors était Childebrand III, probablement neveu de Childebrand II et de Thiouin.

4.↑ Marc Paillet, Le poignard et le poison, 10-18, coll. « Grands détectives », 1995 (ISBN 2-264-02129-2) .

Bibliographie

Pierre Riché, Les Carolingiens, une famille qui fit l'Europe, Hachette, coll. « Pluriel », Paris, 1983 (réimpr. 1997), 490 p. (ISBN 2-01-278851-3)

Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993 (ISBN 2-9501509-3-4)

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy : Carolingian Nobility (Families of Nibelung, Childebrand and Theodoric)

In English:

Theodoen (Teudoin or Thiouin) was Comte d'Autun in the 8th and 9th centuries, and a member of the Guilhemides family. He is the son of Thierry I, Comte d'Autun and Alda, daughter of Charles Martel.

Biography:

Theodoen is cited as the Comte d'Autun in a charter that his brother Guillaume established on 15 December 804 at the foundation of the Abbey of Gellone with two other brothers, Alleaume (or Adalhelm) and Theirry, who is not mentioned in all the charters.

Marriage and Children:

His wife is not known. We know that Theodoen is the father of:

1. Thierry II, Comte d'Autun

2. Perhaps Alba, wife of Warin and mother to Isembart (800-858), who was Comte d'Autun 853-858.

Literary inspiration:

Theodoen is presented in a historical fiction novel "The Dagger and the Poison" ("Le poignard et le poison") by Marc Paillet. As Comte d'Autun in 796, he overwhelmed the people with taxes, collected through his Vicomte Alric and his son, the steward Bodert, who abuse his orders and make a fortune. Many farmers leave their tenure lands and join a rebel named Doremus. Following a dispute with the Bishop Martin over the property of four manses, Charlemagne sends two Missi Dominici (Envoys of the Lord, a sort of Carolingian circuit court judge) Count Childebrand and Saxon abbot Erwin, who eventually restore order among the Autunois and bring to light the guilt of Thiouin (Theodoen), who was forced to cede the county to his son before being tried in front of Charlemagne.

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From the French Wikipedia pages of the parents of Thierry d'Autun, Thierry I d'Autun and Aude de France:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Ier_d%27Autun

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aude_de_France

The existence of Thierry is mentioned in 782 (according to Settipani in 1993 and Riche in 1983) and again in 804 (according to Settipani in 1993).

Pierre Riché, Les Carolingiens, une famille qui fit l'Europe, Hachette, coll. « Pluriel », Paris, 1983 (réimpr. 1997), 490 p. (ISBN 2-01-278851-3)

Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993 (ISBN 2-9501509-3-4)

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Thierry II, count of Autun's Timeline

745
745
Autun, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France
754
754
Age 9
Reims,Marne,,France
759
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Age 14
762
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Age 17
France
780
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Age 35
France
780
Age 35
Autun, Burgundy, France
783
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Schwaben, Kelheim, Bayern, Germany
793
793
Age 48
Toulouse,,,France
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Age 48
Madrie, Spain
825
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Age 48
Remy, Picardy, France