Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, Sr (1690 - 1781) MP

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Birthplace: Edwards Hall, Cardiff, Wales
Death: Died in Maryland, St Mary's County, USA
Occupation: Merchant - Aquired goods for British during Rev.War, came to US in 1662, Father of 8 children, Clergyman
Managed by: Caroline Crouse
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About Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, Sr

Sir Thomas Nathaniel Edwards was born on 14 October 1690 in Stafford, (England) Wales and died 2/11/1781 in Maryland.

Parents: Robert Thomas Edwards (1662-1739) and Margaret Cuelin (1666-1738)

Married:

  1. on 17 March 1713 to Isabel (Elizabeth) Downing . She was born in 3/12/1693 in Cardilf, Glamorganshire, Wales and died 1783 in Maryland.

The 9 known child of Thomas Nathaniel Edwards and Isabel Downing are as follows:

  1. Joseph Edwards
  2. Robert Edwards, II. b. 2/24/1714 Robert (1716-1788) was a Captain in the Royal Navy
  3. Joshua Edwards b. 1718
  4. William Edwards b. 4/08/1720
  5. Thomas Edwards b. 7/07/1723
  6. Leonard Edwards b. 1725
  7. John Crawford Edwards b. 2/10/1726
  8. Jacob Edwards b. 1729
  9. Martha Edwards b. 1731 d. 1799

Notes

At the beginning of the Revolutionary War, SIR THOMAS, although very old, was active in supporting the English government and became personally responsible for goods bought in New York for the British Army. At about that time he died, and Robert Edwards II administered the estate. It is documented that he resided in St. Mary's County, Maryland as early as 1678.

I have been trying to make some sense of this fable, and have come to the conclusion that much of the genealogy of the EDWARDS family has been altered over the years to try and support one claim or another to the 77 Acres of prime Manhattan Real Estate which is at the crux of the tale. This land includes much of the financial centre of New York, including the ill-fated World Trade Centre, and had been valued at up to $680 Billion US (before Sept. 11th).

The first version I saw of my family history had my 6G-grandmother, Elizabeth EDWARDS as being a daughter of Thomas Nathaniel and Isabella Elizabeth DOWNING, hence a sister of Robert, and a rightful heir of the "Edwards Fortune". The trouble is, that there is apparently no record that they had a daughter Elizabeth. I think that was an ancient attempt at horning in on any possible inheritance.

Links

Sources

Captain Bill Book Three - A Geneaology of the Catawba River Valley of SC; FTM's Family Archives, Disk#11, Tree#4088.

Thomas Hall was born in Wales. He had 7 brothers and one sister.

There is a story of Edwards Estate, that many claim was never passed down but taken from the government. It's estimated to be in the millions and is in the ownership of Trinity Church.

However other sources claim that the property was sold to a William Beekman, after the death of Thomas.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=ybLx4i4o6yQC&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=robert+edwards+estate&source=bl&ots=K1W4zL_ZwX&sig=77jVgzoeN-hXus_P6F69Cqxq0Yk&hl=en&ei=ppNNTc3XNMTngQfu8aniDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&sqi=2&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=robert%20edwards%20estate&f=false

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It is said that Thomas Nathaniel Edwards was the son of William in his old age, and he also inherited the title of Baron from his grandfather, Joshua Edwards. As far as we know, Thomas Nathaniel did not come to America, although one researcher in the hunt for the Edwards Fortune claimed to have found a record that he purchased land on Manhattan Island before the Revolutionary War, supported by the English government, and died in New York. Children of Thomas Nathaniel Edwards and Isabella Downing are Robert, Joshua, William, Thomas, Leonard, John, Jacob, and Martha.

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Thomas Nathaniel EDWARDS, born Oct 14, 1690 in Glen Morganshire, Wales, England; died Oct 1781 in Maryland. He was the son of Robert EDWARDS and Margaret CULLEN. He married Isabella Elizabeth DOWNING Mar 12, 1712/13 in Denbigh (Dlwyd) Wales.

Isabella Elizabeth DOWNING, born Mar 12, 1688/89 in England; died Abt. 1785 in Edwards Hall,Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales. She was the daughter of George Thomas DOWNING, Jr and.Katherine CECIL.

At the beginning of the Revolutionary War, Thomas, although very old, was active in supporting the English government and became personally responsible for goods bought in New York for the British Army. At about that time he died, and Robert Edwards II administered the estate.

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  • Posted by: Roy Newsom Date: March 21, 2000 at 10:04:13
  • In Reply to: Elizabeth Isabella Downing by Connie Edwards Webb
    • The "Bible" for the Edwards family is:
  • 'Anthony J. Christensen, Arthur Edwards and His Descendants, (Spanish Fork Utah: Mac Anthony Corp.,1991).
    • The following is quoted from that book:
  • ' "Thomas Edwards was born on 14 October 1690 in South Wales.Thomas and Isabella Downing were married in Wales on 12 March 1714. Their eight known children were all born in Wales. It is not known exactly when or where Thomas Edwards and his family first came into the new world, but family tradition maintains that he sailed here with his family about the 1740's or 1750's. It appears that he may have entered the port of New York then moved westward into the Welsh Tract in southeastern Pennsylvania, then southwesterly along the well trodden migration route into northern Maryland. It is claimed that Thomas Edwards died during 1778 at Swansea, Maryland. Swansea, which is not now on the register of named places in Maryland, was a name given to their small settlement in northern Maryland, no doubt in memory of Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales.
  • Our Edwards family in America was first identified in the meager records of the colony of Maryland. From Maryland, several of the sons of Thomas and Isabella Edwards moved south along the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, the common migration route just east of the Blue Ridge Mountains. A notable exception was Robert.
    • Robert Edwards was born 24 February 1716. The reason for gathering of much of the data regarding some of the family branches and posterity of 'Thomas Edwards and his wife Isabella Downing can be attributed to Robert, their oldest son. This data was derived mostly from bible records and family histories. The stimulus for gathering that family data came about because of a tract of property in New York City on Manhattan Island that had been acquired by Robert Edwards, the eldest son of Thomas and Isabella Edwards', and leased by Robert for ninety-nine years to a Mr. Cruger. The property, which came to be known as the Edwards Estate, attracted the attention of many Edwards family members throughout America during the latter 1800's and early 1900's. .....
    • Joshua Edwards, born 7 July 1718 in Wales, the second son of 'Thomas and Isabella', came to America in the 1740's, married Rebecca Ward about the year 1744, and was listed in the court records of Prince Georges County, Maryland in the year 1747, when he witnessed a deed of sale from John Edwards to Evan Shelby, who would later have connections with Tennessee. Later in life, Joshua Edwards moved his family south to Chatham County, North Carolina, where he died in the year 1823.
    • William Edwards, born 9 April 1720, the third son of 'Thomas and Isabella', married in Baltimore County, Maryland, then later moved south to North Carolina.
    • Thomas Edwards, born in 1723, the fourth son of 'Thomas and Isabella', followed the Shenandoah Valley to Franklin County, Virginia, where he lived during the 1740's, reared a family, then died in Hampshire County (now West Virginia) in 1791.
    • Leonard Edwards, born in 1725, was the fifth son of 'Thomas and Isabella'.
    • John Edwards, born in 1727, was the sixth son of 'Thomas and Isabella' settled at Fauquier County, Virginia, then later moved south into South Carolina where he died in 1801. He was the progenitor of the Middle Tennessee Edwards families.
    • Jacob Edwards, born in 1729, was the seventh son of 'Thomas and Isabella'.
    • Martha Edwards, called "Patsy," born in 1731, was the only daughter of 'Thomas and Isabella'."
  • http://genforum.genealogy.com/downing/messages/1074.html
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THERE ARE SOME CONTRADICTIONS IN THIS BOOK ABOUT THE PARENTAGE OF THOMAS NATHANIEL'S WIFE ISABELLA / ELIZABETH WHETHER SHE IS THE DAU. OF SIR GEORGE DOWNING OR EMMANUEL DOWNING. SINCE IT LISTS SIR GEORGE AS BEING BORN 1623, EMMANUEL WAS GEORGE'S FATHER, I SUSPECT THEY WERE IN ERROR AND IT MAYBE GEORGE, GRANDSON OF EMMANUAL AND SON OF GEORGE WHO IS ISABELLA'S FATHER

  • 'Cipher/Code of Dishonor; Aaron Burr, an American Enigma By Alan J. Clark M. D., Alan J. Clark
  • http://books.google.com/books?id=huV6qTlRgEcC&pg=PA210&lpg=PA210&dq=Sarah+Isabella+Downing&source=bl&ots=ex-U00jBhZ&sig=Y45W1u3s81K7JlA3oLra2_SUj2Q&hl=en&ei=fBiwTuXNJ6iZiQKg79TqDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Sarah%20Isabella%20Downing&f=false
  • Pg. 36
  • Senator Timothy Pickering was descended from Sir Henry Pickering (born 1634) whose wife was Philadelphia Downing. Her father, Sir George Downing's (b. 1623) sister, Mary Downing (husband Anthony Stoddard was ancestor of Aaron Burr's mother Esther Edwards.
  • Pg. 42
  • Both the Robert Edwards and Timothy Edwards families came from Hartford, Connecticut and were related back in England through Mary Downing Stoddard (husband Anthony), half sister of Sir George Downing of 10 Downing Street.
  • Pg. 141
  • These Edwards were from Edwards Hall in Glamorganshire, Wales. Thomas Edward's grandson, 'Sir Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, son of Robert, married Elizabeth Downing whose father was Sir George Thomas Downing, born 1623, M.P. (Member of Parliament), who was keeper of ..... Pages 142 to 143 are not shown in this preview.
  • Pg. 210
    • Robert Edwards Family
    • WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR (1066-1087)+Matilda of Flanders
      • I
      • Henry I+(Edith) Matilda of Scotland
  • Geoffrey Downing+Elizabeth Wingfield 1st Earl of Gloucester, Robert de Caen (Edwards)
  • Geo. Downing+Dorcas Blois I Thomas Hall+Elizabeth Drury, m2 Anna Metford-Quick+m1 Wm. Quick
  • George Downing+Bellamy Thomas Edwards+Elizabeth Hall
  • Emmanuel Downing+Lucy Winthrop Robert Edwards+Margaret Cruelin
  • Sir George Downing, Mary Dowing, 'Isabella Downing+Thomas Edwards'
  • +Francis Howard +Anthony Stoddard Robert Edwards, Joshua E., Thomas E.,
  • Philadelphia Downing+Sir Henry Pickering I William E., Leonard E., Jacob E., Martha (Frankie) E.
  • John Pickering+Elizabeth Prudden I
  • I Rev. Solomon Stoddard b. 1640 William Edwards+Agnes+Mary Eure
  • I +Esther Warren Richard Edwards+Elizabeth Tuttle John Pierpont+Thankful Stowe
  • Timothy Pickering Esther Stoddard+Timothy Edwards Rev. James Pierpont + Mary Hooker+Abigail Davenport+Sarah Haynes
  • Rev. Jonathan Edwards+Sarah Pierpont
  • Esther Edwards+Rev. Aaron Burr
  • Tapping Reeves+Sally Burr, Aaron Burr+Theodosia Bartow Prevost+Elizabeth Jumel Bowne
  • Theodosia Burr+Joseph Alston
  • Aaron Burr Alston
  • Theodosia Burr dau. of Aaron Burr+Theodosia Bartow Prevost+Elizabeth Jumel Bowne
    • Aaron Burr son of Esther Edwards+Rev. Aaron Burr
      • Esther Edwards dau. of Rev. Jonathan Edwards+Sarah Pierpont
        • Rev. Jonathan Edwards son of Esther Stoddard+Timothy Edwards
          • Timothy Edwards son of Richard Edwards+Elizabeth Tuttle
            • Richard Edwards son of William Edwards+Agnes+Mary Eure
              • William Edwards son of 'Thomas Edwards+Isabella Downing'
                • 'Thomas Edwards' son of Robert Edwards+Margaret Cruelin
        • Esther Stoddard dau. of Rev. Solomon Stoddard b. 1640 + Esther Warren
          • Rev. Solomon Stoddard b. 1640 son of Mary Downing + Anthony Stoddard
            • Mary Downing dau. of Emmanuel Downing+Lucy Winthrop
            • ' Isabella Downing dau. of Emmanuel Downing+Lucy Winthrop
              • Emmanuel Downing son of George Downing+ Bellamy
                • George Downing son of Geo. Downing+Dorcas Blois
                  • Geo. Downing son of Geoffrey Downing+Elizabeth Wingfield
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    • The Edwards Family Descendancy
  • 1 Robert Edwards, b. 1662 Edwards Hall, Cardiff, Glen, Wales, d. 1738 NY
  • + Margaret Cuelin, b. 1666, d. 1738
    • ' 2 Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, b. 14 Oct 1690 Edwards Hall, Cardiff, Wales, d. 11 Feb 1781 North Carolina
    • ' + Sarah Isabel Downing, b. 1692 Llandaff, Cardiff, Whales, d. 1783, m. 17 Mar 1714 Denbighshire, Wales
      • 3 Robert Edwards, b. 1716 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales, d. 18 May 1788, Glamorgan County, Wales
      • 3 Joshua Edwards, b. 12 Mar 1718, Cardiff, Wales, d. 19 Mar 1805, Halifax, NC, m. 26 Aug 1754, Randolph, NC
      • + Rebecca Ward, b. 1725, Glen Morganshire, Wales, d. 1790, Halifax, NC
        • 4 James Edwards, b. 23 Aug 1757, Randolph, NC, d. 20 Dec 1832
      • 3 William B. Edwards, b. 09 Apr 1720, Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales, 20 Jun 1801, Gallatin, KY
      • + Polly Cramer, b. 1723, Orange Co, NC
      • + Jane Taylor, b. England
      • 3 Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, b. 07 Jul 1723, Edwards Hall, Cardiff, Glen, Wales, d. 30 Jan 1791, Culpepper, VA
      • + Elizabeth Dent
      • + Jennie Dickens
      • + Elizabeth Nichote
      • 3 Leonard Edwards, b. 08 May 1725, Glen Wales, d. 03 May 1795, Span, Johnson, Georgia
      • + Mary Glasscock
      • + Elizabeth Nightingsle
      • 3 John Crawford Edwards, b. 1727, d. 1830 Bladen, NC
      • + Ruth Turbyfill, b. 1730, VA, d. Lincoln Co, NC, m. 1760, VA
      • 3 Jacob Edwards, b. 08 Aug 1729, Glen Morganshire, Wales, d. 12 Mar 1780, NC
      • + Effie Spears
      • 3 Joseph Washington Edwards, b. 1730, d. 1784, Halifax, NC
      • + Maryann (Unknown)
      • 3 Martha Edwards, b. 1731, Edwards Hall, Cardiff, Glen, Wales, d. 1799
      • 3. Soloman Edwards, b. 1732, d. 1765, VA
  • http://history.loftinnc.com/Edwards_Flora_1901.htm
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-------------------- Thomas inherited the title of Baron from his grandfather, Joshua Edwards

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Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, Sr's Timeline

1690
October 14, 1690
Cardiff, Wales
1714
March 12, 1714
Age 23
Stafford, Wales
1715
August 7, 1715
Age 24
Burbage, Wiltshire, , England
1715
Age 24
Cardiff, United Kingdom
1716
February 14, 1716
Age 25
Edwards Hall, Llewynn, Cardif, WALES
1716
Age 25
Cardiff, Cardiff, UK
1718
March 12, 1718
Age 27
Cardiff, Glamorgan, , Wales
1720
April 8, 1720
Age 29
Denbighshire, Wales
1723
July 7, 1723
Age 32
July 7, 1723
Age 32
Wells, Somerset, , England