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Birthplace: Barton Stacey, Hampshire, England
Death: Died in East Hampton, Long island (Present Suffolk County), New Netherlands (Present New York)
Occupation: (Immigrant)
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About Thomas Talmadge, Sr.

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Re: can anyone verify this theory?

Posted by: Michelle Rock (ID *****1642) Date: August 18, 2007 at 18:55:29

In Reply to: can anyone verify this theory? by A. Talmadge of 356

My grandmother is a Talmadge. This is the info I have found:

Born in England, Thomas Talmadge migrated to the US in 1631 about a ship named "plough" 10 People were aboard the ship.

Another report says he came in 163o along with the fleet that carried Governor Winthrop.

He landed in Charlestown moved to Boston and then to Lynne. He became a freeman in 1634 by the "Genall Court."

He was allotted 1 of 200 acres of farmland to his son also "Thomas Talmadge" was alloted one of 20 acres. This was in 1638

On sept 3, 1640 a letter of attorny by the emigrants was executed in Boston.

In 1640 Thomas Sr was said to be residing in South hampton LI. This town was founded that year and people moved from Lynn, Mass. He had a home lot in 1642.

On MAy 10, 1649 he was number 13 in the list of townsmen. By 1657 he is not on the list and is believed to have moved to East Hampton. (new york)

The History of East Hampton (CT)

Settlement and Incorporation of the Town

The first large group of settlers emigrated by sea in 1739 from Eastham, Mass. along Cape Cod, into Long Island Sound and up the Connecticut River to Middle Haddam Parish. The name Middle Haddam was derived from the two adjacent towns, Middletown and Haddam. Led by Isaac Smith some of the early settlers from Eastham left Middle Haddam to push on to the seven hills near Lake Pocotopaug on which the town of East Hampton now stands. It is believed that James Wright was the first settler of the town when he built a house and barn during the first quarter of the eighteenth century on property his father had bought from Chief Terramaugus in 1675. John Clark is believed to have been the second settler, building his home on Clark Hill about 1737.

In 1746 the settlers named their growing community Easthampton parish in honor of their original home in Eastham, Mass. In 1767 the new township of Chatham was incorporated by the General Assembly and separated from Middletown of which it had been a part. At the time of its incorporation, the township of Chatham was named, from the importance of its shipbuilding industry, in allusion to Chatham England. Included in its bounds were the parishes of Middle Haddam, Easthampton, East Middletown, and Cobalt. In 1841 the East Middletown parish was set off from Chatham to become a new township named Conway and later named Portland.

Long usage decreed the divided name of East Hampton to which the title of the whole township of Chatham was altered in 1915.

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The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England 1620-1633

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The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England 1620-1633

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Talmage Genealogy believes he was born by abt. 1580.

Death by 9 Dec 1653

Extract from Will of John Talmadge, Vicessimo Tertio., Jan. 1638

John Talmadge, Newton Stacey, Parrish of Barton Stacey, yeoman. Legatees the poor, the church , William Talmadge cousin, Thomas Talmadge cousin, Robert Talmadge cousin, Christian Wormlum , Jane Talmadge: children John Herring, senior, William by wome John Herring the younger, Robert Herring, Edward, Dorrithie, Alice, Margerie Herring Richard Canyinges the younger, Margorie Canyinges, Ann Lacy, children of Richard Pitman, sister, Alica Lespe (?) every one of my godchildren (not named).

Overseers Richard Pittman, Richard Cannings,. and William Dowling of Wherwell:

Residue to Symon Talmadge my godson, sole executor, if not alive, then William and Thom as Talmadge. who are the brothers of Symon Talmadge..

Witnesses: William Dowling, Joanni Herring, Ricci Cannings. There is an inventory of the property.

THOMAS TALMADGE. He was an Englishman and brother of John Talmadge of Newton Stacey, Hants, as described by several of his children in the letter of attorney below. Compare this wit h Will of John Talmadge above.

Thomas Talmadge came to America, 1631, in the ship Plough, which carried ten passengers . Another report says he came in the fleet with Governor Winthrop in 1630, see Savage, iv or ix, 252. He landed at Charlestown, moved to Boston and then Lynne. May 14, 1634, the "Genall Court" made "Thomas Talmage" a freeman. In 1637 a committee composed of Daniel Howe, Richar d Walker and Henry Collins, was appointed to lay out farms, and in 1638 they allotted one of two hundred acres to "Thomas Talmage" and one of twenty acres for "Thomas Talmage his son". On Sept.3, 1640, a letter of attorney by the emigrants seems to have been executed at Boston.

Mr. S. C. N. Talmage in his Talmage Genealogy, 1901. writes that Thomas Lechford was an English lawyer Who came to Boston, 1638, and returned to England, 1641. He was the first practising lawyer in Massachusetts and kept a notebook of legal memoranda which has been published and contains these entires, page 294, old 167:

"William Talmage, of Boston, in New England, Thomas Talmage, Robert Talmage and Richar d Walker, husband of Jane Talmage, deceased, sonnes and daughter of Thomas Talmage, brother of John Talmage of Newton Stacey, in the county of Southampton, deceased, make a letter of attorney to Richard Conying and William Dowlying, overseers of the will of the said John Talmage , deceased, to receive of the executor and administrator of the last will and testament of Symon Talmage, our brother, and of John Talmage aforesaid, the summes of money due unto us by the will of the said John Talmage (and a certificate under the public seal. (L.S.).

Page 311 new, old 175: A letter of Attorney by William Talmage, Thomas Talmage and Robert aforesaid and Richard Walker, to Mr. Ralph King to receive the money of the said overseer, dated Sept. 3,1640. Ralph King was a draper of Watford, England.

We next hear of Thomas, Sr., at Southampton, Long Island. This town was founded 1640, and most of the people came from Lynn, Mass. Thomas arrived shortly after the town was settled and in 1642 Thomas Talmage, Sr. was granted a home. By order of the court of March 7, 1644, the town was divided into four wards and Thomas, Sr., lived in the first, while Thomas, Jr., and Robert lived in the second ward. Among the freemen March 8, 1649, is Thomas Talmage, and on May 10, 1649, he was number 13 in the list of Townsmen. He is not in the list of inhabitants 1657 and he must have left about 1650, going to Easthampton, of which his son, Thomas, Jr., was one of the founders in 1649. On May 24, 1651, Thomas Talmage, Sr., was fined for absence from Town Meeting at Easthampton. He probably died 1653 for on Dec. 9, 1653, the town records show it was "ordered that the share of whale in controversy between Widowe Talmage shall be divided even as the lott is,," and in February, 1654, Thomas Talmage (no Sr. or Jr. attached to name), was given five acres of land. Also it is recorded "...possessor of the land formerly granted to Thomas Talmage, senior, deceased," and on same page Thomas Talmage (no Sr. or Jr . attached to his name), is mentioned as living. There is no date on this page, but the following contains records dated May 24, 1655.

In a letter dated 8 Mar 1631/2 the Company of Husbandmen in London informed their members in New England that "Goodman Talmage and his wife take it very very unkindly that you should keep his malt and not let his sons have a small quantity of 'Plattewer' at his request to be paid at return. This confirms that Thomas Sr. was still in England in 1632, but that at least two of his sons had arrived by that time. We know that William was in New England by this date, and he was probably accompanied by Thomas Jr.

On 11 March 1638/9 Thomas Sr. was one of the inhabitants of Lynn who petitioned the colony go vernment to allow them to build a bridge to pass over the river.

On 7 March 1643/4 Thomas Sr. was in the first ward in Southampton with respect to the profits from whales washed up on shore. Thomas Jr. and Robert were in the second ward.

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THOMAS TALMAGE

ORIGIN: Barton Stacey, Hampshire

MIGRATION: 1633

FIRST RESIDENCE: Lynn

REMOVES: Southampton by 1642, Easthampton by 1651

CHURCH MEMBERSHIP: Admission to Lynn church prior to 14 May 1634 implied by freemanship.

FREEMAN: 14 May 1634 [ MBCR 1:368]. Southampton, 8 March 164[8/]9 [ SoTR 55], 8 October 1650 [ SoTR 17].

EDUCATION: He signed his petition to the government.

OFFICES: Essex jury, 27 June 1636, 27 June 1637 [ EQC 1:3, 6].

Committee to lay out land in Southampton, 17 February 1647[/8?] [ SoTR 43-44].

ESTATE: Received parcels of two hundred acres and ten acres in 1638 Lynn grant [ EQC 2:270].

On 6 March 164[4/]5 reference was made to the eight acre lot of Thomas Talmage Sr. in Southampton [ SoTR 35]. In list of Southampton "townsmen" [proprietors], 10 May 1649 [ SoTR 56].

BIRTH: By about 1580 based on estimated date of marriage.

DEATH: Easthampton by 9 December 1653 (when "Widow Talmage" received a share in a whale at Easthampton [ Talmage Gen 19, citing Easthampton TR]).

MARRIAGE: By about 1605 _____ _____; not seen in any New England record.

CHILDREN:

i SIMON, b. say 1605; m. by 1638 Katharine Hay, daughter of Bartholomew Hay [Arthur White Talmadge, Talmadge Genealogy... (Grafton Press 1909) 21].

ii WILLIAM, b. say 1607; m. (1) by 1632 Elizabeth ______ (in late 1632 "_____ Talmage the wife of William Talmage" was admitted to Roxbury church as member #57; "She was a grave matron, a godly woman, & after her husband was removed to Line [i.e., Lynn], after a few years she died & left a gracious savor behind her" [ RChR 77]; Elizabeth Talmage d. Lynn 20 December 1660); m. (2) by 1666 Elizabeth Pierce, daughter of John Pierce (eldest child b. Boston 22 September 1666 [ BVR 101]; on 2 June 1670 "John Peirce of Boston ... bricklayer" and "his son-in-law William Talmage of the same carpenter" agreed that John Pierce would "keep & maintain the said William Talmage & his two young daughters" for sixteen years, in return for the lease of Talmage's property in Boston [ SLR 7:242]).

iii THOMAS, b. say 1609; m. by 1643 Elizabeth _____ (named in his will [ Talmage Gen 24]). (See TAG 17:20-22 for a clue to Elizabeth's identity.)

iv CHRISTIAN, b. say 1616; m. (1) say 1636 _____ Wormlum (named in uncle's will); m. (2) between 1646 and 1655 EDWARD BELCHER (her daughter Belcher was heir of William above).

v JANE, b. say 1618; m. say 1638 RICHARD WALKER (still called "Talmadge" in uncle John's 1638 will); she d. by 1640 [ Lechford 294].

vi ROBERT, b. by 1619 (joined siblings in appointing an attorney 1640); m. by about 1649 Sarah Nash, daughter of Thomas Nash (called "Sarah Talmage" in the will of her father, 1 August 1657 [Smith-Hale 537, citing NHPR ]).

ASSOCIATIONS: In his will, dated 23 January 1638[/9], "John Talmadge of Newton Stacey of the parish of Barton Stacey in the county of South[ampton] [i.e., Hampshire], yeoman," among other bequests left legacies to "my cousin William Talmadge," "my cousin Thomas Talmadge," "my cousin Robert Talmadge," "Christian Wornam," and "Jane Talmadge"; residue unto "Simon Talmadg[e] my godson" and he to be executor, but if he died before the testator then "William Talmadg[e] and Thomas Talmadg[e] to be the executors ... who are the brethren of Simon Talmadg[e] aforenamed" [Archdeaconry Court of Winchester, Original Wills, 1638].

Barton Stacey was the parish where Rev. STEPHEN BACHILER resided in the 1620s. Although there does not appear to be any genealogical relationship, the Talmages would certainly have known the Bachilers.

COMMENTS: In a letter of 8 March 1631/2 the Company of Husbandmen in London inform their members in New England that "Goodman Tamage and his wife take it very unkindly that you should keep his malt and not let his sons have a small quantity of plattewer' at his request to be paid at return" [ WP 3:71]. This confirms that Thomas Talmage was still in England in 1632, but that at least two of his sons had already arrived by that time. We know that William was in New England by this date, and he was probably accompanied by Thomas Junior.

On 11 March 1638[/9] Thomas Talmage was one of the inhabitants of Lynn who petitioned the colony government to allow them to build a bridge to pass over the river [ WP 4:104].

On 7 March 164[3?/]4 Thomas Talmage Sr. was in the first ward in Southampton with respect to the profits from whales washed up on shore [ SoTR 32]; Thomas Talmage Jr. and Robert Talmage were in the second ward.

The ages given above for the children of the immigrant are all estimates, and so are subject to change. Nevertheless, the gap of seven years between Thomas and Christian is worthy of note, and may indicate that Thomas Talmage had two wives in England.

Some sources give Thomas Talmage a son Davis or David, born about 1630 [ Talmage Gen 28; Smith-Hale 530]. This seems to be based on two records only. The town records of Easthampton are said to contain an entry that reads "Davis and Thomas Talmage shall have the land granted unto them," 24 May 1655 [ Talmage Gen 28]. This may be simply an incomplete record, in which the first grantee of land has surname Davis, and the first name is lost or omitted. The second record claimed is the death of "David or Davis" in May 1708, aged 78 [ Talmage Gen 28]. Without seeing the actual death record, this constitutes very slender support for inclusion as a child of Thomas Talmage. Furthermore, in his will of 23 January 1638[/9] John Talmage names the six children of his brother Thomas listed above, but does not names a David or Davis.

Sorce - The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III

Abbr:

NHPR - New Haven, Connecticut, Probate Records

MBCR - Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay in New England, 1628-1686, Nathaniel B. Shurtleff, ed., 5 volumes in 6 (Boston 1853-1854)

EQC - Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 1636-1686, 9 volumes (Salem 1911-1975)

SoTR - The First Book of Records of the Town of Southampton... (Sag-Harbor, New York, 1874)

TALMAGE Gen - Arthur White Talmadge, The Talmadge, Tallmadge and Talmage Genealogy, Being the Descendants of Thomas Talmadge of Lynn, Massachusetts, With An Appendix Including Other Families (New York 1909)

RChR - Roxbury Land and Church Records, Sixth Report of the Boston Record Commissioners (Boston 1884), pp. 74-191

BVR - Boston Births, Baptisms, Marriages, and Deaths, 1630-1699, Ninth Report of the Boston Record Commissioners (Boston 1883=semi rpt. Baltimore 1978)

SLR - Suffolk Deeds, Volumes 1 through 14 (Boston 1880-1906). Citations to later volumes are from the microfilm copies of the originals.

TAG - The American Genealogist, Volume 9 to present (1932 )

Lechford - Note-book Kept by Thomas Lechford, Esq., Lawyer, in Boston, Massachusetts Bay, from June 27, 1638, to July 29, 1641, Edward Everett Hale, Jr., ed. (Cambridge 1885=semi rpt. Camden, Maine, 1988). Citations herein refer to the pagination as printed (and not to the manuscript pagination) and will therefore differ from the index entries of the 1885 edition.

WP - Winthrop Papers, 1498-1654, 6 volumes, various editors (Boston 1925-1992)

Source Note The Talmadge, Talmage and Tallmadge Genealogy by Arthur White Tallmadge, 1909.

In the year, 1629, many small groups of English broke away from the English Church that was established by the Tudor's and Stuart's. While individually insignificant, the groups formed a collective group that was quite large. Greater independence in religion was sought and this finally led to Civil War.

One group of dissenters were called "The Husbandman" or "The Company of the Plough." The members of this group were primarily made up of merchants. The leader of this group was Stephen Bachiler, a Puritan Minister. He was living at Newton Stacey. One of the members of this group was Thomas Talmage, the first Talmage in our family to come to America.

"The Company of the Plough" wanted to send a group of settlers to New England to propagate their ideas under a blanket of religious freedom. The company turned to Sir Ferdinando Gorges, a principal figure in the "Council of Plymouth", and obtained a land patent on June 25th, 1630. They were granted a tract of land that contained two islands in the Sagadock River. It was about 40 miles long and 40 miles wide. With their newly won land grant, the group purchased a small ship and a group of about 10 men and their families set forth for the New World on the newly christened "Plough."

Thomas Talmage, his wife and children were among this group of passengers. Unfortunately they found the land grant to be useless for the land was wild and sterile. The group gave up after a short time and decided to try their luck near Boston, by the town of Lynn, MA.

Governor John Winthrop was a friend of Stephen Bachiler and he also headed to America about the same time, only he headed up a much larger group of settlers that came over in a group of ships. In Governor Winthrop's History, on the date of July 6th, 1630, this entry is found: "A small ship of 60 tons arrived this day at Natascot, Mr. Graves, Master. She brought 10 passengers from London who came with a patent for Sagadock, but not liking the place they came hither. Their ship drew ten feet of water and went up to Watertown, but she ran on the banks twice on the way. These were the company called Husbandman and their ship The Plough."

After Stephen Bachiler arrived in 1632, the London Company sent him a letter from a group of church brethren addressing a few issues, one of which stated: "Goodman Talmadge and his wife take it very unkindly that you should keep his malt and not let his son have a small quantity of plate ware at his request to be paid at return. How you will answer this unkindness we know not, but we desire you to give no occasions for unkindness. Here is now the people themselves come unto you. We assure you they are downright straight dealing people. If they find you loving and kind and upright toward them you will have their company and if not I pray you consider you will not only lose them, but wonderful discouragement it will be to others for time to come."

The birth of Thomas Talmage has been listed as early as 1587 and as late as 1595. He was a little older than his brother John, who died in 1640. John left his estate to William and Thomas Talmage Jr., the sons of Thomas. After arriving in Lynne, Thomas was made a freeman in 1634. In 1638 he was allotted a two hundred acre plot of land. His son Thomas was granted a twenty acre plot. By 1642 Thomas had moved to Southampton. He was granted a home lot there. The last record of Thomas in Southampton was in 1649. He left about 1650 for the town of Easthampton. His son, Thomas Jr., was one of the founders of the town. Thomas was fined in 1651 for missing a Town Meeting. Thomas most likely died in early December of 1653, for his widow is listed in a controversy over the land. Her son, Thomas Jr., was granted five acres of the estate in early 1654.

Thomas Talmage Jr., also known as Captain Thomas Talmage, kept a diary of the family history. The following information was taken from that diary. Thomas Jr. states in his diary that his family came to America to escape religious persecution. He talks about the founding of Lynn, Ma in 1638 where his father was granted 200 acres and he was granted 20 acres. Part of the town charter was that if a man was advancing 50 pounds he would get 200 acres and all others would receive 20.

William, the oldest son, was not part of the men allotted land and has been listed as joining the colony at Charlestown. He came to America with Governor Winthrop's fleet.

Simon elected to stay in England and never came to live in America. He died shortly before his uncle John. Thomas Jr. would become the Town Recorder in East Hampton, a town he helped to found. At the time of Thomas Jr.'s death he was the richest man in East Hampton. Thomas wrote "The Book of Records", and in this book was a listing for "Elizabeth" the widow of Thomas Talmage Sr. (1653) This is also when Thomas Jr. discontinued his use of Junior when signing his name.

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Thomas Talmadge, Sr.'s Timeline

1595
October 17, 1595
Barton Stacey, Hampshire, England
1611
1611
Age 15
Newton Stacy, Hampshire, England
1613
1613
Age 17
Newton Stacy, Hampshire, England
1615
1615
Age 19
Wherwell, Hants, England
1617
1617
Age 21
Barton Stacy, Hampshire, England
1620
1620
Age 24
Wherwell, Hants, England
1621
1621
Age 25
Wherwell, Hampshire, England
1622
1622
Age 26
Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
1630
1630
Age 34
Wherwell, Hampshire, England
1653
December 9, 1653
Age 58
East Hampton, Long island (Present Suffolk County), New Netherlands (Present New York)