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From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on George Forbes:

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Vice-Admiral George Forbes, 3rd Earl of Granard [1]

  • M, #106716,
  • b. 21 October 1685,
  • d. 29 October 1765
  • Last Edited=10 Apr 2011
  • Consanguinity Index=0.0%

Vice-Admiral George Forbes, 3rd Earl of Granard was born on 21 October 1685.[2] He was the son of Arthur Forbes, 2nd Earl of Granard and Mary Rawdon.[2]

He married Hon. Mary Stewart, daughter of William Stewart, 1st Viscount Mountjoy and Hon. Mary Coote, in 1709.[2]

He died on 29 October 1765 at age 80.[2]

Career:

  • He was commissioned before 1706, in the service of the Royal Navy.[2]
  • He was invested as a Privy Counsellor (P.C.) [Ireland] in 1721.[2]
  • He held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) (Whig) for Queenborough, Kent between 1723 and 1727.[2] On 27 February 1725/26 he was called up to the House of Lords as Lord Forbes, although his father did not possess this title.[2]
  • He was Commander-in-Chief of the Caribbean between September 1729 and December 1729.[2]
  • He held the office of Plenipotentiary to the Court of Muscovy in 1733.[2]
  • He gained the rank of Rear-Admiral in 1734.[2]
  • He succeeded to the title of 4th Baronet Forbes, of Castle Forbes, Co. Longford, Ireland [N.S., 1628] on 24 August 1734.[2] He succeeded to the title of 3rd Baron Clanehugh, co. Longford [I., 1675] on 24 August 1734.[2] He succeeded to the title of 3rd Earl of Granard [I., 1684] on 24 August 1734.[2] He succeeded to the title of 3rd Viscount of Granard, co. Longford [I., 1675] on 24 August 1734.[2]
  • He gained the rank of Vice-Admiral in 1735.[2]
  • He held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) (Whig) for Ayr Burghs between 1741 and 1747.[2]

He has an extensive biographical entry in the Dictionary of National Biography.[3]

    

Children of Vice-Admiral George Forbes, 3rd Earl of Granard and Hon. Mary Stewart

  • 1. Lady Mary Forbes [1] d. 27 Nov 1797
  • 2. Lt.-Gen. George Forbes, 4th Earl of Granard+[1] b. 15 Mar 1710, d. 16 Oct 1769
  • 3. Admiral Hon. John Forbes+[2] b. 1714, d. 10 Mar 1796

Citations

  • 1. [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 1628. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
  • 2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume IX, page 240. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

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From the Dictionary of the National Biography:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Forbes,_George_(1685-1765)_(DNB00)

FORBES, GEORGE, third Earl of Granard (1685–1765), naval commander and diplomatist, son of Arthur Forbes, second earl, by his wife Mary, daughter of Sir George Rawdon, bart., of Moira, county Down, was born in Ireland 21 Oct. 1685, and was for a time at the grammar school at Drogheda. His grandfather, Arthur Forbes, first earl [q. v.], died when young Forbes was about 12 years of age.

Coming to London with his grandmother in 1702, he introduced himself to Admiral George Churchill [q. v.], then first of the council to the lord high admiral, Prince George of Denmark, and sought to enter the navy. Churchill eventually appointed him to the Royal Anne at Portsmouth, and got him a lieutenancy in one of the new marine regiments.

Young Forbes was midshipman of the St. George in 1704, and served under Rooke at the capture of Gibraltar, where he was employed on shore as aide-de-camp to the Prince of Hesse-Darmstadt, and in the great sea-fight off Malaga which followed. The same year he became heir to the earldom on the death of his elder brother, Lord Forbes, a captain in the Scots royals, from wounds received at Blenheim (Treas. Papers, xciii. 72, Blenheim Roll).

In 1705 he was second lieutenant of the Triton frigate, one of the most active cruisers in the navy, which captured twenty-three French privateers in the Channel alone in fifteen months. He was in her at the siege of Ostend in 1706, where he served on shore, and first became known to his future friend, the Duke of Argyll [see Campbell, John, Duke of Argyll and Greenwich], who commanded in the trenches.

On returning home Forbes found his commission awaiting him as captain of the Lynn frigate, in which he served as convoy to the Baltic trade. The Lynn being ordered to the West Indies, Forbes was transferred to the Gosport, and on 3 Jan. 1707 to the Leopard of 50 guns.

On 6 March 1707 he was appointed brigadier in the 4th troop of horse-guards, of which the Duke of Argyll was captain and colonel. The brigadiers of the horse-guards—styled in their commissions ‘corporals,’ and in society ‘captains’—were commissioned officers ranking with lieutenants of horse (Cannon, Hist. Rec. Life Guards, p. 169).

Forbes did duty with his troop until appointed to command the Sunderland of 60 guns, part of the western squadron under Lord Dursley, afterwards third Earl Berkeley. In 1708 Forbes became exempt of his troop and a brother of the Trinity House. In May 1709 he left his ship to do duty with his troop at Windsor, where ‘his sprightliness of genius and politeness of manner recommended him to Queen Anne’ (Memoirs of the Earls of Granard, p. 86), at whose desire he was appointed to the Grafton of 70 guns.

Forbes, who in the meantime had married, sailed for the Mediterranean with Sir John Norris in 1710. Charles III of Spain (afterwards the emperor Charles VI) then had his court at Barcelona, and Norris stationed some ships off the coast of Catalonia, the command of which was assigned to Forbes, who was directed to co-operate as much as possible with the Spanish court, and was permitted to reside on shore. Two Genoese ships of war, of 50 and 70 guns respectively, were at Cadiz taking in specie, alleged to be for the use of the French faction in Italy.

The Spanish king proposed that Forbes should put out to sea and seize the vessels on their return voyage. Forbes explained that England was at peace with the Genoese republic; but being pressed by the king, and the queen offering him her sign-manual for his indemnification, he started with his own ship, the Grafton of 70 guns, and the Chatham of 50 guns, Captain Haddock, took the Genoese ships into Port Mahon, discharged the officers and crews to shore, landed the specie, amounting to 1,600,000 dollars, and returned with the ships to Barcelona. Charles III, greatly pleased, made Forbes a grant of the duty payable at the mint for coinage of the amount, and urged him to go back to Minorca and fetch the specie. Forbes, doubting the legality of the capture, excused himself until he should receive instructions from home, or from General Stanhope, the British ambassador and commander-in-chief in Spain, and, to avoid any appearance of backwardness, set out to confer with Stanhope.

He joined the part of the allied army under Marshal Staremberg, and was slightly wounded while charging with Brigadier Lepell's regiment at the battle of Villaviciosa, 10 Dec. 1710. Stanhope had surrendered at Brihuega the day previous. Forbes returned to Barcelona, and found orders from home forbidding the disposal of the Genoese treasure, which sorely disconcerted the Spanish court. Forbes came to England bearing an autograph letter from Charles III to Queen Anne. Eventually, the British government decided to retain the capture and indemnify the Genoese republic. In the end Forbes accepted 6,000l. in lieu of what had promised to prove a large fortune. Full details of the transaction are given in ‘Memoirs of the Earls of Granard,’ pp. 87–93.

In January 1711 the Duke of Argyll was appointed to the command in Spain. He set out in the spring, leaving Forbes, who was to serve with him, in London to solicit supplies for the army, which was short of money. Forbes obtained an order for 800,000 dollars of the Genoese treasure, and set off, riding through Holland, Germany, the Tyrol, and Italy to Genoa, where he took ship, with such despatch that he reached Barcelona in 21 days from England. He served with the army in Spain during that year, at the head of 300 cavalrymen drafted from home, whom Argyll purposed to form into a new regiment of horse under Forbes's command. The regiment was never completed, as peace negotiations were too far advanced. A return of the army in Spain, dated 19 Feb. 1712, is in ‘Treasury Papers,’ cxliv. 23, and is the only paper of any interest entered under Forbes's name in the ‘Calendars of State Papers’ for the period.

In 1712 Forbes was appointed to the Greenwich of 50 guns, and became cornet and major in his troop of horse-guards. After the peace of Utrecht he commanded a small squadron of vessels in the Mediterranean, and took up his residence with his wife and child in Minorca, whence he returned home in 1716.

The year after he was appointed lieutenant-governor of the castle of St. Phillipa, Minorca, and acted as governor of the island during the brief hostilities with Spain in 1718. He introduced better order in the island, and abolished the trials for witchcraft, which had been a source of much misery.

On his return home in 1719 Forbes, at the desire of George I, proceeded to Vienna, to carry into effect a long-cherished project of the emperor Charles VI, of forming a naval power either in Naples and Sicily or on the Adriatic, for which purpose Forbes received the rank of vice-admiral in the imperial service with a salary of 12,000 florins a year, and unlimited powers of organisation. But the imperialist ministers looked coldly on the scheme, and adopted a policy of tacit obstruction, which at the end of two years led Forbes to resign his appointment in private audience with the emperor, who presented him with a valuable diamond ring in recognition of his services. Forbes joined the king at Hanover, and afterwards returned home.

In 1724 he was appointed to command the Canterbury of 60 guns on the Mediterranean station, and was employed on shore at the defence of Gibraltar against the Spaniards in 1726–7.

In September 1727 Forbes, who had previously sat in the English House of Commons for the borough of Queenborough, was called to the Irish house of peers under the title of Baron Forbes. In 1729 he was appointed governor and captain-general of the Leeward Islands, a post he resigned at the end of a year.

In 1730 he proposed to the government to lead a colony to Lake Erie, where it would form a barrier against French encroachments from Canada. He was to be fettered by ‘no restrictions beyond the ten commandments,’ and was to have an annual grant of 12,000l. for the use of the colony for seven years. If the government at the end of that time was satisfied to take over the settlement, Forbes was to be created an English peer, with a perpetual pension of 1,000l. a year out of the revenues of the post office. If the government were not satisfied to take over the colony, a grant of the sum was to be made to Forbes and his heirs, with a palatinate jurisdiction, similar to that of Lord Baltimore in Maryland, in which case Forbes was to repay the 84,000l. advanced, and pledged his family estates as security for the amount. Sir Robert Walpole, who disliked Forbes as being ‘too busy and curious,’ admitted the fairness of the terms, but the project was not carried out.

In 1731 Forbes was appointed to the Cornwall of 80 guns, and commanded that ship in the Mediterranean under Sir Charles Wager. This was the last time he served afloat.

In 1733 Forbes was appointed envoy extraordinary and minister plenipotentiary to the Empress Anne of Russia. He negotiated and concluded a treaty—the first entered into by the court of St. Petersburg with any European state—for the better regulation of the customs, and for favouring the introduction of British woollen goods. After his return to England in 1734 the czarina, with whom he was a favourite, offered him supreme command of the imperial Russian navy, which he declined. He obtained his flag rank and succeeded to the title of Earl of Granard on the death of his father the same year.

In 1737 Granard, who was a member of the Irish Linen Company, and took much interest in political economy, was instrumental in introducing improvements in the Irish currency. The details will be found in ‘Memoirs of the Earls of Granard,’ pp. 145–51.

When the popular outcry against Spain arose in 1739, he was offered the command of ‘a stout squadron’ for the West Indies, but declined, believing the ministry not to be in earnest; nevertheless when his senior, Admiral Vernon, who had been laid aside, was brought back over his head and sent out, Granard considered himself superseded, and refused to serve again. His name was retained on the flag list, and half-pay was issued for him for some time, but on 31 Dec. 1742 his resignation was finally accepted. The statement of some biographers that he continued in the service, and was senior admiral at his death, arose from confusing Granard—who was better known in the naval service as Lord Forbes—with his son, Admiral of the Fleet the Hon. John Forbes [q. v.] Granard had retired from the army more than 20 years before he left the sister service.

He had been in treaty with Lord Dundonald for the command of the 4th troop of horse-guards, for which he was to give 10,000l., but broke off the negotiations at the wish of the Duke of Argyll, who desired to see him rise to the head of the navy. By Argyll's interest Granard was returned to the House of Commons for the Scottish burghs of Ayr, Irvine, &c., in 1741, and took a very active part in the stormy discussions which drove Sir Robert Walpole from office 3 Feb. 1742, in consequence of which he was appointed one of the committee of inquiry into the conduct of the ex-minister. But he subsequently separated from his colleagues in disgust, and retired from public life.

He was made a privy councillor of Ireland, and held the governments of Westmeath and Longford.

He died in Ireland in 1765. There is some uncertainty as to the day of his death, two different dates being given in ‘Memoirs of the Earls of Granard,’ and other dates, all within the year, being given in other publications (see Notes and Queries, 6th ser. x. 312; also Ann. Reg., Gent. Mag., and Scots Mag. 1765).

In person Granard was of middle height and spare figure, with a dark complexion, and strongly marked features. In his habits he was very active and extremely abstemious, eating little and drinking nothing but water, customs to which he attributed his good health. He was a great reader, with a very retentive memory, and a quick, intelligent observer. The family manuscripts contain several treatises by him on subjects connected with political economy, geography, and the naval resources of different countries (Hist. MSS. Comm. 2nd Rep. 212).

Granard (then Lord Forbes) married in 1709 Mary, eldest daughter of Sir William Stewart, first earl of Mountjoy, and widow of Phineas Preston of Ardsallagh, co. Meath, by whom she had had two children (see Archdall, Peerage of Ireland, vi. 153). By this lady, who died 4 Oct. 1755, he had three children:

  • 1. George, fourth earl of Granard, who saw a good deal of army service in the Mediterranean in his earlier years, raised the old 76th foot, which was disbanded in 1763, and died a major-general and colonel 29th foot in 1769;
  • 2. John (1714–1796) [q. v.]; and
  • 3. a daughter.

Sources:

  • [The best biography of Admiral Lord Granard is in Forbes's Memoirs of the Earls of Granard (London, 1858). The work contains a few misprinted dates.
  • Supplementary details can be found under date in the Home Office Military Entry Books, and in the Admiralty and Foreign Office Papers in the Public Record Office.
  • Mervyn Archdall's Peerage of Ireland, ii. 148–9;
  • Charnock's Biog. Nav. iii. 330, and other biographical notices contain errors. Some of these are referred to in Notes and Queries, 6th ser. x. 312–13.
  • Granard's papers remaining in possession of the family are reported on in Hist. MSS. Comm. 2nd Rep. 212–16, 3rd Rep. 431, wherein are given extracts from Lord Granard's diary at St. Petersburg.
  • Letters from him at Minorca in 1716–17, addressed to G. Bubb, British envoy in Spain, from Egerton MSS. 2171 f. 144, 2174 ff. 338, 343, 2175 ff. 5, 176;
  • and from St. Petersburg in 1733, to Sir Thomas Robinson, British minister at Vienna, Addit. MSS. 23788 f. 42, 23789 f. 36.
  • These letters, which are very imperfect in their orthography, and all bear the queer cramped signature ‘Gfforbes,’ contain nothing of public interest.]

H. M. C.

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1685
October 21, 1685
Leinster, Ireland
1710
March 15, 1710
Age 24
1712
1712
Age 26
1714
July 17, 1714
Age 28
Minorca, Balaeric Islands, Spain
1765
October 29, 1765
Age 80
Ireland
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