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Billung von Sachsen, -

Nicknames: "van Saksen", "von Sachsen", "de Saxe", "of Saxony"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Saxe/Sachsen (present Niedersachsen, Frankish Empire (within present Germany)
Death: Died in Saxe/Sachsen (present Niedersachsen, Frankish Empire (within present Germany)
Immediate Family:

Son of Amelung de Saxe
Husband of Athalia
Father of Oda Billung

Occupation: Princeps, Frankish Prince, Count of Thuringia, hrabia
Managed by: Private User
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About Billung von Sachsen, -

Ben M. Angel notes: First, it's not Stubenskorn, but Stübeckshorn. Try and identify where Stubenskorn is on the map, any map, even ones from the 9th century.

Stübeckshorn, the one associated with Hermann Billung as his birth place, is now part of the German city of Soltau, within that city's Hoetzinger District:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%BCbeckshorn

Second, a lot of what passes for guides appears to have little or no attribution. There are exceptions; the German Wikipedia page for the Billunger has a very comprehensive description of the Billung family tree, both Older and Younger parts:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billunger

This follows fairly close to the FMG information for the Billungs, (with significant additional information in German from the Mittelalter Genealogie website). For FMG Medlands entries related to this family:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#_Toc155952301

This entry, for the Billung that straddles the 8th and 9th centuries, is for the Prince (Unknown) Billung, who married Aeda, daughter of Pepin I, King of Italy, and is father of Oda, wife of Liudolf and mother of the Liudolfinger family. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MERGE ANYONE FROM THE TENTH CENTURY WITH THIS PROFILE. That is a different Billung (the one that actually fathered Hermann Billung at Stubeckshorn). Thank you.

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The following is unattributed information on the Billung family, some of which doesn't corroborate with source-backed information listed above in some area (I'm guessing that this is the Czech guy, who sometimes has good information, but never posts his sources - a very good way to let bad information slip past...):

Billung von Stubenskorn, *ca 890, +ca 951; m.Ermengarde of Nantes (*ca 900)

   * A1. Wichman; m.ca 930 Frédegunde of Franks, dau.of Charles III Simple of Franks
   * A2. Poppo, Ct of Thuringia, *ca 910
   * A3. Hermann Billung, Mkgf of Lower Elbe 936, Duke of Saxony (960-973), *ca 915, +27.3.973; m.Hildegarde von Westerburg (*ca 925)
         o B1. Duke Bernhard II of Saxony (988-1011), *ca 940, +Corvey 9.2.1011; m.ca 974 Hildegarde von Stade (+1011)
               + C1. Duke Bernhard III of Saxony (1011-59), *ca 995, +29.6.1059; m.1020 Eilika von Schweinfurt (*1000, +ca 1055)
                     # D1. Duke Otho Ordulf of Saxony (1059-72), *1020, +28.3.1072; m.1042 Wulfhild of Norway (+1071)
                           * E1. Duke Magnus of Saxony (1072-1106), *ca 1045, +1106; m.1071 Sofia of Hungary (+1095)
                                 o F1. Wulfhilde, *1075, +1126; m.Duke Heinrich IX of Bavaria (+13.12.1126)
                                 o F2. Eilika, *1080, +16.1.1142; m.Duke Otto of Saxony (+1123)
                           * E2. Bernhard, +young
                     # D2. Gertrud, *Schweinfurt ca 1028, +Veurne 4.8.1113, bur Veurne; 1m: ca 1050 Floris I of Holland (+28.6.1061); 2m: 1063 Robert I of Flanders (*1031 +13.10.1093)
                     # D3. Ida, heiress of Laroche, +31.7.1102, bur Namur; 1m: Frederic II of Lower Lorraine (+1065); 2m: Albert III de Namur (*before 10.8.1035 +22.6.1102)
         o B2. Mathilda, *ca 944, +25.5.1008; 1m: ca 963 Ct Godefroid of Verdun (+995/1005); 2m: Ct Baldwin III of Flanders (+962)

Friedrich, Pfgf of Saxony; m.Agnes N

   * A1. Adalbert, Archbp of Hamburg (1043/45-72), +Goslar 16.3.1072

Rulers of Saxony

INDEX PAGE

Last updated 20th January 2005

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Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann,_Duke_of_Saxony

Hermann Billung (900 or 912 – 27 March 973) was a Margrave of Saxony and one of the most well-known members of the House of Billung.

Hermann was the son of Billung von Stubenskorn (c. 860-967) and Ermengarde of Nantes (b. 900). Hermann is generally counted as the first Billung Duke of Saxony, but his exact position is unclear. King Otto I appointed Hermann margrave in 936, granting him a march north of the Elbe between the Limes Saxoniae and Peene Rivers. Having more autonomy than his contemporary margrave Gero, Hermann exacted tribute from the Polabian Slavs inhabiting the March of the Billungs. He often fought against the West Slavic tribes of the Redarians, Abotrites, and Wagrians.

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From Wikipedia:

Hermann Billung (900 or 912 – 27 March 973) was a Margrave of Saxony and one of the most well-known members of the House of Billung.

Hermann was the son of Billung von Stubenskorn (c. 860-967) and Ermengarde of Nantes (b. 900). Hermann is generally counted as the first Billung Duke of Saxony, but his exact position is unclear. King Otto I appointed Hermann margrave in 936, granting him a march north of the Elbe between the Limes Saxoniae and Peene Rivers. Having more autonomy than his contemporary margrave Gero, Hermann exacted tribute from the Polabian Slavs inhabiting the March of the Billungs. He often fought against the West Slavic tribes of the Redarians, Abotrites, and Wagrians.

By 953 Otto I, who was also Duke of Saxony, began entrusting more and more of his authority in Saxony to Hermann during his absences. However, Hermann was never named as duke in royal documents. Instead, he is named as a military leader, count, and margrave. His son Bernard inherited and strengthened his father's position and managed to be recognized as duke.

Hermann had property around Lüneburg and founded the monastery of St. Michael in that city. He died in Quedlinburg.

Hermann Billung was probably married twice, first to a woman named Oda (who died on 15 March in an unknown year), and second to Hildegarde of Westerbourg.

He had five children:

   * Bernhard I (died 1011), Duke of Saxony
   * Liutger (died 26 February 1011) Count in Westfalengau, attested in 991, buried in St. Michaels in Lüneburg, married Emma (died 3 December 1038), buried in the Bremen Cathedral, daughter of Immed IV (Immedinger), sister of Bishop Meinwerk of Paderborn.
   * Suanhilde (born between 945 and 955, died 28 November 1014, buried in the monastery of Jena, reburied after 1028 in the Georgskirche of Naumburg in Saale, married 1st in 970 Thietmar I (died after 979) Margrave of Meissen, married (2) before 1000 Ekkehard I (murdered 30 April 1002 in Pöhlde); in 992 Margrave of Meissen, buried in the monastery of Jena, reburied after 1028 in the Church of Georg Naumburg (Saale)
   * Mathilde (born between 935 and 945, died 25 May 1008 in Ghent St. Peter), married 1st in 961 to Balduin III, Count of Flanders (died 1 January 962), married second Gottfried der Gefangene (died on 3/4 April after 995) in 963/982, Count of Verdun (Wigeriche), buried in St. Peter's in Ghent
   * Imma, in 995 Abbess of Herford

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From the Celtic Casimir online family tree:

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/2/3032.htm

Children:

1. Swanhilde VON SACHSEN+

2. Hermann Billung VON SACHSEN Duke of Saxony+

Billung VON SACHSEN Count of Saxony 578

Born: Abt 890, Stubeckshorn, Niedersachsen

Died: 26 May 967

From German medieval genealogy site:

http://www.genealogie-mittelalter.de/billunger/billing_graf_915/billing_graf_915.html

Billing Graf

Sohn des Grafen Ekbert

Goetz Hans-Werner: Seite 167

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"Das Herzogtum der Billunger - ein sächsischer Sonderweg?"

Die BILLUNGER, deren Name sich von Billung, dem erst später in der Chronik des Lüneburger Michaelsklosters genannten, angeblichen Vater Hermanns, ableitet [2 Vgl. Hömberg Seite 16, der die Nachricht als falsch zurückweist. Dagegen sucht Reinhard Wenskus, Sächsischer Stammesadel und fränkischer Reichsadel (Abhh. Göttingen, phil.-hist. Kl. 3,93) Göttingen 1976, Seite 178 ff., besonders Seite 234ff., die Richtigkeit der Nachricht aus den BILLUNGER-Namen zu erweisen. Andere Verwandtschaftsbezüge weisen danach auf Ecbert, die Hessi-Sippe und die BARDONEN.], stellten in fünf unmittelbar vom Vater auf den Sohn aufeinanderfolgenden Generationen die sächsischen Herzöge. Als deutlich abgrenzbares Geschlecht begegnen uns die BILLUNGER erst seit der ersten Herzogsgeneration mit dem Grafen Wichmann (+ 944) und seinem jüngeren Bruder Hermann, über deren Vorfahren nichts Genaues bekannt ist. Die Herkunft des zweifellos zum sächsischen Hochadels zählenden Geschlechts bleibt daher dunkel. Insgesamt gibt es drei mögliche Traditionslinien:

- Die BILUNGER-Namen (Hermann, Wichmann und Amelung) führen im frühen 9. Jahrhundert eher in hessisches Gebiet zwischen Werra und Fulda im Einflußbereich des Eigenklosters Kaufungen [3 Vgl. dazu Sabine Krüger, Studien zur sächsischen Grafschaftsverfassung im 9. Jh. (Studien und Vorarbeiten zum Historischen Atlas Niedersachsens 19 = Veröffentlichung der Historischen Kommission Hannover, Oldenburg, Braunschweig, Schaumburg-Lippe und Bremen ") Göttingen 1950, besonders Seite 79 ff.] (diese "Sippe" wird vielfach als "ältere BILLUNGER" bezeichnet). [4 Vgl. etwa Karl Jordan, Lexikon des Mittelalters Band 2; Spalte 192f.]

- Vom späteren Wirkungsbereich her hingegen, den Besitzlandschaften und Grafschaften sowohl im Bardengau an der unteren Elbe als auch im Tilithi- und Weitagau an bzw. westlich der unteren Weser, waren die BILLUNGER Amts- und Rechtsnachfolger der EKBERTINER (jedenfalls ist zur Zeit König ARNULFS hier ein Ekbert als Graf bezeugt), und dieser Name kehrt zumindest in der Wichmannschen Linie des Geschlechts wider.

- Vom eigenen Familienbewußtsein her schließlich, das sich aus dem Totengedenken ergibt und am Nekrolog des billungischen Hausklosters in Lüneburg ablesen läßt, betonte man die Bindungen zu den westfälischen WIDUKINDEN. [6 So Gerd Althoff, Adels- und Königsfamilien im Spiegel ihrer Memorialüberlieferung, Studien zum Totengedenken der Billunger und Ottonen (Münstersche

  Mittelalter-Schriften 47) München 1984, Seite 64ff.] 
 

Kinder:

 Wichmann der Ältere 
 um 900-23.4.944 
 Amelung Bischof von Verden (933-962) 
 um 908-5.5.962 
 Hermann I. Billung 
 900/12-27.3.973 
 

Literatur:

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Goetz Hans-Werner: Das Herzogtum der Billunger - ein sächsischer Sonderweg?, in: Niedersächsisches Jahrbuch für Landesgeschichte 66 1994, Seite 167-197 -

In English:

The Billunger Duchy, a Saxon exception?

The Billunger who went by the name of Billung, is mentioned later in the chronicles of the Luneburg Monastery of St. Michael, and is the supposed father of Hermann Billung [Homberg regards this as untrue, but rather believes Reinhard Wenskus of Saxon and Frankish tribal nobility to be the father; other kinship relationships suggested include that to Ecbert of the Hessi Clan and Bardon]. The chronicles present five direct father-to-son generations of Saxon dukes.

The first generation includes Count Wichmann (c. 944) and his younger brother Hermann. Nothing is known for certain of their ancestry.

There are three possible heritages:

1. The Bilunger name (Hermann, Wichmann, and Amelung) merges into one in the early 9th century in the area between Hessian and Werra Fulda within the sphere of influence of the Klosters Kaufungen [from Sabine Kruger's studies of the Saxon constitutional county in the 9th century - studies and preparatory work for the Historical Atlas of Lower Saxony, published by the Historical Commission of Hannover, Oldenburg, Braunschweig, Schaumburg-Lippe, and Bremen]; this family is often regarded as the "older Billunger" [Karl Jordan's Lexicon of the Middle Ages, Volume 2]

2. From the area of influence within both the counties Bardengau on the lower Elbe and in Tilithi and Weitagau on or west of the lower Weser. These were the official Billunger, and legal successor to the Ekbertiner (to the time of King Arnulf and Count Egbert), and the name comes at least to Wichmann's line.

3. From the family's own records of its deaths from the convent house in Luneburg, which emphasizes the bonds with the Westphalian Widukind. [Gerd Althoff, noble and royal families in reflection of their memorial tradition, including studies commemorating the dead Billunger and Ottos - Munster medieval writings, published in Munich 1984].

Children:

Wichmann the Elder (900 to 23 April 944)

Amelung, Bishop of Verden 933-962 (908 to 5 May 962)

Herman Billung (900 or 912 to 27 March 1973) -------------------- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~greenefamily/lape/pafg262.htm#27724 -------------------- Billung (Billing) var greve av Sachsen.

Han var gift med Aeda av frankisk slekt.

Tekst: Tore Nygaard

Kilder:

Mogens Bugge: Våre forfedre, nr. 54. Bent og Vidar Billing Hansen: Rosensverdslektens forfedre, side 28, 68.

-------------------- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~greenefamily/lape/pafg280.htm#28046

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unbekannter Prinz Billung von Sachsen's Timeline

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780
Saxe/Sachsen (present Niedersachsen, Frankish Empire (within present Germany)
816
816
Age 36
Stammesherzogtum Sachsen (within present Germany), Frankish Empire
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Age 70
Saxe/Sachsen (present Niedersachsen, Frankish Empire (within present Germany)
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June 18, 1993
Age 70
August 3, 1993
Age 70
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