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Jean Prieur du Plessis

Stamvader/Progenitor (c.1638-1708)

Birth Jean Prieur du Plessis was born circa 1638.

(Pieter Coertzen, The Huguenots of South Africa 1688-1988 (28 Wale Street, Cape Town: Tafelberg Publishers Limited, 1988), pp. 156, 160)


Married x Madeleine Menanteau circa 1688 Married xx Marie Buisset on 29 August 1700 at Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

Family - Madeleine Menanteau born c 1668, died between 1694 - 1700

Children

  • Charles Prieur du Plessis b. 1688, d. 18 Sep 1737
  • Jean Louis du Plessis+8 b. 13 Feb 1691
  • Judith du Plessis+7 b. c 1694

Family - xx Marie Buisset born c 1678, died 1751

Children

  • Maria du Plessis b. 1702
  • Anna du Plessis bapt 22 Jun 1704
  • Pieter du Plessis b. Jul 1708

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du Plessis Help Requests and Queries

Andries Johannes du Plessis looking for the parentage of Andries Johannes du Plessis born 26 August 1836 Died 22 March 1896 - married to Sophia Johanna Swanepoel. See Discussion.

Danielle le Marais is researching these two:

  1. Regarding Judith Anne (du Plessis de Mornay) I have been, despite extensive research, unable to find her name connected to any of the du Mornay genealogical sites, such as Racineshistoire..She is certainly Not the daughter, of Philippe de Mornay, & his wife Charlotte Arbaleste..I have traced back earlier lines, & found nothing leading to this name either...Where did her name originate from?...If there was indeed a Judith Anne de Mornay, who definately existed, then the only conclusion I can reach, is that she was a descendant of Martin de Mornay de la Tour de Mornay, who was the illegitimate son of Pierre "le Jeune" de Mornay (died 1423), who was the son of Pierre de Mornay (died 1404) & Jeanne de Vendome See Discussion
  2. ....I have already found incorrect ancestry on the du Plessis line, as the line leading to Francois du Plessis & Francoise de Charge, was a different Francois du Plessis...An earlier line from the eldest son, Pierre du Plessis (not Sauvage) of Guillaume du Plessis & Charlotte de la Celle,..I have already posted information regarding this..It makes me wonder now about Jean du Plessis..He obviously existed, but were there records to show that he was indeed the son of Francois II du Plessis (1510-1560) & Francoise de Charge? See Discussion

The House of Le Plessis – Richelieu 13th/14th Century

Guillaume I., um 1200, Seigneur du Plessis, des Breux et de La Vervolière.

1.Pierre I., Seigneur du Plessis etc.

1. Guillaume II., Seigneur du Plessis etc.

1. Pierre II., † um 1331, Seigneur du Plessis etc.

1.Guillaume III., † 1373, Seigneur du Plessis etc; ∞ Charlotte, Tochter von Jean de La Celle.

1. Pierre III., Seigneur du Plessis, des Breux, de La Carrelière, de Forges et de Thou, † 1401; ∞ Ragonde Vigier. – Nachkommen siehe unten

2.Sauvage, † 1409, Seigneur de La Vervolière, de La Valinière et de Favardines ∞ 10. Juli 1388 Isabeau, Dame de Belarbe, † 1401, Tochter von Jean Le Groing, Seigneur de La Mothe-au-Groing – Nachkommen siehe unten

3.Jean

4.Jeanne ∞ Guillaume de Maignac, Seigneur du Solier

5.Catherine, Dame de Rives ∞ Huguet de Puygiraut

2.Pierre

3.Eustache ∞ Ithier de Torsac

4. Alips ∞ Philippe de La Châtre

2.Jean

1.Pierre I. ∞ Jeanne, Tochter von Goulu de Mausson

1.Jean ∞ Philippe Barbine

1. Pierre II.

2. Jean, † 1263, de iure uxoris 7. Earl of Warwick ∞ I Chrétienne, Tochter von Hugues Stanford; ∞ Margaret de Newburg, Countess of Warwick, Tochter von Henry de Beaumont, 5. Earl of Warwick (Haus Beaumont)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Le_Plessis-Richelieu

(South African) Descent Line from Guillaume III d 1373

1. Ragonde Vigier

1. Catherine Frétart

1. François

2. Mandé, Seigneur du Plessis, des Breux, de Roys, de La Carrelière, de Faye et de Thou ∞ Marie, Tochter von Gui, Seigneur de La Tousche

1. Jeanne, Tochter von Alain de Rouyères, Seigneur de Brunhac

1.

1. (I) François I., Seigneur du Plessis, des Breux, de La Milaudière, de La Carrelière et de Thou; Madeleine, Tochter von Philippe de Champropin, Seigneur d'Oncières

1. Françoise, Tochter von Joachim de Chergé, Seigneur de Buxeil

2. Claude

3. Thoinette oder Thiennette

4. Charlotte

5. Suzanne

6. Renée

7. Jeanne

2. (I) Hervé

3. (I) Antoine

4. (I) Jacques

5. (I) Marie ∞ Robert Châteignier

6. (I) Françoise ∞ Jacques de La Tour, Seigneur de La Place

7. (II) Gilles

8. (II) Antoinette

3. Antoinette ∞ 28. Juli 1436 Neugon de La Barde

4. Claudine ∞ Louis d'Harcourt, Seigneur de Montlouis

2. Héliot, Seigneur de Forges

3. Marguerite ∞ Guyot de La Lande

4. Hélène ∞ I Naudin Badetrant ∞ II Perrot de La Lande, Seigneur de Vaul

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Le_Plessis-Richelieu:

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Guillaume III d 1373

1. Sauvage, † 1409, Seigneur de La Vervolière, de La Valinière et de Favardines; ∞ 10. Juli 1388 Isabeau, Dame de Belarbe, † 1401, Tochter von Jean Le Groing, Seigneur de La Mothe-au-Groing – Vorfahren siehe oben

1. Sauvage

2. Geoffroi, Seigneur de La Vervolière, de La Valinière, du Petit-Puy et de Hautmont; ∞ Perrine, Dame de Richelieu, Tochter von Jean de Clérembault, Seigneur de Richelieu

1. François I., Seigneur de Richelieu, de Beçay, de La Vervolière et du Petit-Puy ∞ 21. November 1456 Renée, Tochter von Jacques Eveillechien, Seigneur de Saumoussay

1. François II., Seigneur de Richelieu, de Beçay, de La Vervolière, du Petit-Puy et de Neufville; ∞ I 25. Januar 1489 Guyonne, Tochter von Jean, Seigneur de Brée (Stammliste der Montmorency); ∞ II 31. März 1506 Anne, Dame du Chillou, Tochter von Guyon, Seigneur du Chillou. (Haus Le Roy)

1. (I) Aymée; ∞ Léon de Barbançois, Seigneur de Sarzay.

2. (I) Jeanne; ∞ 28. Oktober 1514 Mathurin du Theil, Seigneur de Frène.

3. (I) Renée

4. (II) Louis I., Seigneur de Richelieu, de Beçay, du Chillou et de La Vervolière, † 1551; ∞ 16. Januar 1542 Françoise, Tochter von Antoine, Seigneur de Saint-Amand (Haus Rochechouart).

1. Louis II., X 1555, Seigneur de Richelieu, de Beçay, du Chillou et de La Vervolière,

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2. François III., Seigneur de Richelieu, de Beçay, du Chillou et de La Vervolière, † 10. Juli 1590; ∞ Susanne, Tochter von François, Seigneur du Boissier (Haus La Porte)

1. Henri, X 1619, Seigneur de Richelieu, de Beçay, du Chillou et de La Vervolière; ∞ Marguerite Guyot, Dame d'Ansac.

2. Alphonse-Louis, * 1582, † 24. März 1653, genannt Le Cardinal de Lyon, Erzbischof von Aix 27. April 1626-27. November 1628, dann Erzbischof von Lyon 27. November 1628-24. März 1653, Kardinal 19. November 1629, 24. März 1632-24. März 1653 Großalmosenier von Frankreich

3. Armand-Jean, * 5. September 1585, Bischof von Luçon 18. Dezember 1606-4. Dezember 1642, Kardinal 5. September 1622, August 1631, Duc de Richelieu, Marquis und Juli 1634, Duc de Fronsac, Pair de France (Patentbrief für Richelieu August 1631, für Fronsac Juli 1634, registriert für Richelieu 4. September 1631, für Fronsac 5. Juli 1634)

4. Françoise † 1615 ∞ I Jean de Beauvau, Seigneur de Pimpeau; ∞ II 28. August 1603 René de Vignerot, Seigneur du Pont-Courlay, † 1625 (Haus Vignerot)

5. Nicole, † 30. August 1635; ∞ 25. November 1617 Urbain, Marquis de Brézé, † 1650 (Haus Maillé)

3. Benjamin, Abbé de Montier-la-Celle 1573-1608

4. Louise, Dame de Beçay; ∞ 24. April 1565 François, Seigneur du Cambout, † 1625 (Haus Le Cambout)

5. Jeanne ∞ I Pierre Fretart, Seigneur de Sauve ∞ II Charles, Baron de Marconnay

5. (II) François, Seigneur de Beaulieu ∞ Françoise, Tochter von Pierre de Trion, Seigneur de Legurat

1. Jacquette ∞ François d'Aloigny, Seigneur de La Groye

6. (II) Jacques évêque de Luçon

7. (II) François Pillon, Seigneur de La Jabinière

8. (II) Renée abbé de Nieuil

9. (II) Antoine Le Moine, X 19. Januar 1576

10. (II) Françoise ∞ Georges L'Enfant, Seigneur de La Patrière

11. (II) Anne ∞ 11. Juni 1543 Gabriel de Mauvoisin, Seigneur de La Forêt, † 1557

2. Jeanne ∞ Louis Herpin, Seigneur du Château

2. Pierre, Seigneur de Hautmont

3. Antoinette ∞ Pierre Loubes, Seigneur de Gastevine

4. Jacquette ∞ 1451 Guyot de Giresmes

5. Isabeau ∞ 13. Januar 1451 Jean Herpin, Seigneur du Château

3. Jeanne ∞ Gilles Fretart, Seigneur de Sauve

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Le_Plessis-Richelieu

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Thanks to Alexander Armenis for the following research:

Most of the dates below are suspect:

1.1.1.1.1. Guillaume III Du Plessis (*c.1332) (+aft. 20/04/1373) Chevalier, seigneur du Plessis et de la Vervolière, Valignière et de Carrelière x Charlotte de la Celle, daughter of Jean de la Celle [Chevalier, Seneschal (bailiff) of Carcassone]

1.1.1.1.1.1. Pierre III Du Plessis (*c.1360) (+1401) Seigneur du Plessis et seigneur des Breux et seigneur de La Carrelière et seigneur de Forges et seigneur de Thou. Inherited the Lordships of Breux, la Carreliere and Forges, the private castle and the outhouses of Thou in the Chancellary of Angle on 18/02/1388 x Ragonde Vigiere

1.1.1.1.1.1.1. Jean Du Plessis (*c.1401) (+c.1466) Écuyer, seigneur du Plessis et des Breux, capitaine des Pleces de Angle et du Blanc, escurie du Roy Charles VII x Catharine Fretarde

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2. Mande Du Plessis (*c.1425) [Seigneur du Plessis et seigneur des Breux et seigneur de Roys et seigneur de La Carrelière et seigneur de Faye et seigneur de Thou] x Marie de la Toucshe d.o. Gui seigneur de Tousche

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1. Sauvage Du Plessis (*c.1450) (+c.1502) [Seigneur du Plessis et seigneur des Breux et seigneur de Vaux et seigneur de Roys et seigneur de La Milaudière et seigneur de La Carrelière et seigneur de Thou x (31-01-1474) Françoise l’Evêque xx (15/12/1485) Jeanne de Rouyéres, daughter of Alain de Rouyéres [Seigneur de Brunhac]

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1. Francois I du Plessis (*c.1480) (+shortly bef.1545) x Madeleine de Champropin

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1. Francois II du Plessis (c.1510-1560), Ecuyer, Seigneur du Plessis, des Breux, La Carreliere., et Thou x Francoise de Charge, daughter of Joachim de Charge & Marguerite de Boisleve

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1. Jean Du Plessis [7 years old in 1556] (*1548) x (c.1575) Judith Anne Du Plessis Du Mornay (*c.1555 Buhv, Vexin) daughter of Seigneur de Lienart du Mornay of Poitiers

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1. Charl Du Plessis (*c.1590) (+c.1640) [Medical Surgeon in Poitiers] x Anne Pieur? (*c.1616 Poitiers, Poitou Province)

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1. Jean Prieur Du Plessis (*26/04/1638 St Liénart, Poitiers, Poitou Province) [Medical Surgeon in Poitiers] [Immigrated to South Africa]

Sources include a mash of the following:

  • Dr Coetzee 'Du Plessis' book.
  • Hendrik du Plessis's notes to me
  • And a number of references given in the above.

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Here is a published family registry from 1868 that confirms what we are saying here, namely that there are two men named Francois II du Plessis, the one married once on 22/03/1541 to Francoise de Cherge; while the other Francois II du Plessis married on 25/01/1489 to Guyonne de Laval and on 31/03/1506 to Anne le Roy.

link: http://books.google.co.za/books?id=PzelhioHoMQC&pg=PA332&dq...

NO LONGER A DIRECT CONNECTION TO CHARLEMAGNE

Unfortunately the depressing result of the above corrections is that the du PLessis line is no longer directly connected to Charlemagne, as it was relying, not on the du Plessis connection, but on the de Richelieu connection. And the de Richelieu Francois' line to Charlemagne is through his mother; whereas our Francois ancestor is the de Richeliu Francois' cousin only on the paternal line. Fuller Discussion & tracking of the process by which we discovered this.

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