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The Problem with Adelais / Adela / Alix :^) -- a common name for 10th-11th c women

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  • Aélis de Montdidier-Roucy, [marr. Conon Falcon de La Sarraz, sire de Grandison] (c.1050 - c.1114)
    Alternative Birthdate: 1049 Adelheid de Roucy (Hildouin IV de Montdidier2, Hildouin III de Montdidier1) was born ABT 1050. She married Foulques de Grandison. He was born ABT 1050 in La Sarraz, Wa...

I've decided to tackle the 10th-11th century Adele / Adela / Adelais / Adelaide / Alix / Alice problem. I'm going to just focus on these ladies and try to disambiguate them and get their relationships cleared up. The number of women named Adel* de Vermandois is truly mind-numbing, and I'm so tired of undoing bad merges!

Would any of you who come across any Adeles (or variations) born between c850-1100 please drop them into this project?

While these names are often used interchangeably in the early middle ages, I just found another stunning reminder that we need to be careful with these seemingly interchangeable medieval names! A case I just came across--three sisters who were daughters of Hildouin de Montdidier IV:

  1. Ada de Montdidier-Roucy, married Geoffroy, seigneur de Guise (1070 † 1141), and Gaultier d'Ath, puis à Thierry, seigneur d'Avesnes
  2. Adélaïde de Montdidier-Roucy (v.1035 † v.1068), married Arnoul I, († 1106), comte de Chiny.
  3. Aélis de Montdidier-Roucy, married Conon Falcon de La Sarraz, sire de Grandson.

They've pretty much been merged together so I'm working on separating them.

Not too creative with naming in the 11th century, were they? ;^)

Thanks,

Pam Wilson

P.S. There is another project with the same topic that Erin Spiceland started, and since Geni is not able to merge projects, we're working both of them--so see the Adelaide....etc. affiliated project as well.