Need help with clearing up a couple of profiles

Started by Roger Jacobs on Sunday, September 11, 2011


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9/11/2011 at 6:40 PM

I was told to contact you about some confusion about the relationships on a couple of pages in the Cheney line.
Humphrey Ellinor Cheney
Robert Chaney

David Prins, sent this information in response to a message I sent him concerning the problem.
As far as I can see, Robert's parents are Simon and Eleanor.
It's Robert's son Humphrey who married Alice.
As far as the duplicates on there if anything could be done with those that would help also.

Private User
9/11/2011 at 6:58 PM

Hey Roger -

Not sure how I can help. Would be happy to, though I am not a curator. Are you sure you have the right person?
Private User said that he referred you to me? (I'm honored, of course, but these profiles are outside of my family group).

If you specifically state exactly what needs to be done, I have a Pro membership and would be happy to oblige.


Private User
9/11/2011 at 7:12 PM

Hi Joe

I am as confused as you are here.

I am not sure how you got involved.

Roger referred to me what he thought was an issue that I didn't think was an issue - and I explained why.

Then I noted that there were some duplicates that could be merged in the area and that we could get a PRO to help by listing them at

Instead this thread emerged ...

But since you are offering PRO services Joe, if you look at you will see that Robert Chaney has two sons Humphrey who are the same and two daughters-in-law Alice who are the same.

[I think there were three Humphreys earlier - one has already merged]

There are some parent conflicts in the area as well.

I think Roger would appreciate a bit of a tidy-up if a PRO would oblige.


Private User
9/11/2011 at 7:49 PM

Please hold off any action here. Curator Angus is investigating further.

9/11/2011 at 8:02 PM

Sorry, my mistake, I didn't address it to anyone one person in particular and didn't make myself clear.

9/11/2011 at 8:02 PM

Roger do you mind waiting until I get back some answers from the people who created these profiles.
Royce Cheney
Lester Frank Martin

9/11/2011 at 8:12 PM

Roger my concern are the Ellinors below this part of the Tree

We dont want to orphan them

9/11/2011 at 8:18 PM

Joyce Darlene Tharp

Joyce can you add anything to help us fix the mixup between the Cheneys and Ellinors.

9/11/2011 at 8:29 PM

Angus there's no hurry and thank you for your help, it was just something I happened to see. Is there a Dick Cheney hunting joke to cover this?

9/11/2011 at 9:21 PM

Private User

Hi Enrique, how are you, yes I see what I am discussing..

But I certainly don't understand what you are trying to tell me..

Try Spanish I will get someone to translate for me.

9/12/2011 at 8:34 AM

Private User

Enrique I beg you please do not post in this discussion..I do not want to remove your posts..PLEASE DELETE THEM YOURSELF.

What you are posting has nothing to do with this discussion..

9/13/2011 at 6:20 AM You might look at this website..

9/13/2011 at 6:34 AM

Private User

David would you post the links to the Ellinor ancestry pages that you shared with me.

Private User
9/13/2011 at 1:27 PM

The first website I found a few days ago that matched the Cheneys as currently on Geni that I sent to Angus was as follows:

This SUPPORTS the Cheneys as currently on Geni.


Born: ABT 1421, Cralle Manor, Warbleton, Sussex, England

Died: 22 Jan 1488

Father: Simon CHENEY

Mother: Eleanor NOTTINGHAM

Married: Anne LOVELACE ABT 1449, Queenshithe, London, Middlesex, England


1. Robert CHENEY

2. Humphrey CHENEY


4. Humphrey CHENEY

5. Roger CHENEY

6. Hugh CHENEY

7. John CHENEY


Humphrey CHENEY

Born: ABT 1457, Higham, Milstead, Kent, England

Died: 3 Jan 1526

Father: Robert CHENEY

Mother: Anne LOVELACE

Married: Alice WOOTTON ABT 1489, Boughton, Malherbe, Kent, England


1. John CHENEY



Born: ABT 1490, Higham, Milstead, Kent, England

Father: Humphrey CHENEY

Mother: Alice WOOTTON

Married 1: Elizabeth GYLES ABT 1519, Higham, Milstead, Kent, England


1. William CHENEY

Married 2: Mary GYLES ABT 1521, Higham, Milstead, Kent, England


2. Henry CHENEY (b. 1522)

3. Richard CHENEY (b. 1524)

4. Thomas CHENEY (b. 1526)

5. Simon CHENEY (b. 1528)

6. Robert CHENEY (b. 1530)

7. Margaret CHENEY (b. 1532)

8. Frances CHENEY (b. 1534)

Private User
9/13/2011 at 1:29 PM

Second there is

This shows John Ellinor married Angel Tripp. John is not shown on that website with any parents, unlike on Geni at the moment where he has Cheney parents.

Private User
9/13/2011 at 1:38 PM

Third there are records on Ancestry as follows. These show Ellinors that "match" the first website I found in regard to names, dates, relationships, wives - they just have Ellinor surnames rather than Cheney surnames.

The relevant generations are:







Geni has the top generations as Cheney - then they suddenly become Ellinors.

Of course these are all just websites, not primary sources.

Private User
9/13/2011 at 1:43 PM

Looking at the similarity of the two websites - we can illustrate with Robert Cheney / Ellinor:




Born: ABT 1421, Cralle Manor, Warbleton, Sussex, England

Died: 22 Jan 1488

Father: Simon CHENEY

Mother: Eleanor NOTTINGHAM

Married: Anne LOVELACE ABT 1449, Queenshithe, London, Middlesex, England



Born 1421

Father: Simon Ellinor

Mother: Eleanor Nottingham

Married Ann Lovelace born 1426


So it goes through a few generations and you come to realise you are looking at different names for what otherwise essentially must be the same people, but with conflict on surname of Cheney vs. Ellinor.

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