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Started by Private User on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

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Private User
2/15/2012 at 1:05 PM

Hi , I am not quite sure where to place this double surname , can you advise?
Tomas Ligaspi Almazan

Annemarie

2/15/2012 at 1:26 PM

Private User

I'm not sure how you get it as a double surname. The surname (from the parents) is Almazan.

The name Lisgaspi does not appear as a surname any place else in the tree,so it looks like a middle name to me.

What is in the about does not explain why you think it is a surname and there is no source uploaded to refer to.

Private User
2/15/2012 at 2:34 PM

Private User do you have some insight for your fellow curators?

Private User
2/15/2012 at 4:12 PM

If I may intrude...

According to the profie, Mr. Almazan was born very close to the end of the Spanish American War. Spanish double surname standards are different from those of Americans and Filipinos. It is possible that his mother's side was still using the Spanish way of surnaming, giving him a maternal "apellido."

But it is obvious that the father's side had already assimilated to the Filipino naming standard, that is that the last name was considered the surname while the penultimate name was somewhat of a middle name. So instead of looking it as a double "apellido," perhaps you should see it as a matronymic middle name followed by a paternal surname.

Hope that helps :)

Private User
2/15/2012 at 5:20 PM

It helps me, Ines. And you're going to help find his family, right? ;)

Private User
2/15/2012 at 5:21 PM

Ines is correct. My suggestion

First ... Thomas (very likely, Tomas in baptismal records)

Middle ... Lisgaspi (very likely misspelled and should be "Legaspi". The first does not conform to the language norms indigenous to the Ilocos region or to Spanish) This would be his mother's maiden name.

Last ... Almazan (a Spanish habitational name, which was included in the 1849 edict, requiring Filipinos to choose a new surname from a catalog -- the Claveria decree -- to facilitate local administration).

Private User
2/15/2012 at 5:31 PM

From a cursory search, I found a record which MAY be Tomas here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH18-HB6

The record shows that a certain Tomas Almazan, a young married man of 22, moved to live with his cousin in Hawaii some time before the 1930s, which coincides with the American occupation of the Philippines.

Private User
2/15/2012 at 5:44 PM

I just looked at the record and it reflects that his mom is a "de la Cruz" which is strange. "Legaspi" is definitely a surname and I have never seen it as a part of a double-barreled first name.

Is it possible that he was a child from a previous marriage?

Private User
2/15/2012 at 5:56 PM

Reading his profile further, I see there is an allusion to step-siblings "Nieves, all in the Philippines". Looks like there are hidden branches to this tree still ... :D

Private User
2/15/2012 at 7:04 PM

I thought this could be an interesting tree! I am a 25th cousin to his wife from the Netherlands which means he is in the "big tree."

Private User
2/16/2012 at 12:12 AM

I am not familiar at all with the Phillipino naming patterns, so yes it it possible that Lisgaspi is a middlename, although to me as a stranger to these names it looked like a second surname.
The record you found on Geni, Mona is Thomas he came from Hawai before he met and married my relative.
His obituary mentions step-siblings yes, so there are hidden branches.
For now we just go the Almazan name then , I will try to find more information about this family, get a proper tree going and then I will add a surname to the project.
Thank you all this turned out in a very interesting conversation :)

Private User
2/16/2012 at 12:12 AM

I am not familiar at all with the Phillipino naming patterns, so yes it it possible that Lisgaspi is a middlename, although to me as a stranger to these names it looked like a second surname.
The record you found on Geni, Mona is Thomas he came from Hawai before he met and married my relative.
His obituary mentions step-siblings yes, so there are hidden branches.
For now we just go the Almazan name then , I will try to find more information about this family, get a proper tree going and then I will add a surname to the project.
Thank you all this turned out in a very interesting conversation :)

Private User
2/16/2012 at 12:12 AM

I am not familiar at all with the Phillipino naming patterns, so yes it it possible that Lisgaspi is a middlename, although to me as a stranger to these names it looked like a second surname.
The record you found on Geni, Mona is Thomas he came from Hawai before he met and married my relative.
His obituary mentions step-siblings yes, so there are hidden branches.
For now we just go the Almazan name then , I will try to find more information about this family, get a proper tree going and then I will add a surname to the project.
Thank you all this turned out in a very interesting conversation :)

Private User
2/16/2012 at 12:12 AM

I am not familiar at all with the Phillipino naming patterns, so yes it it possible that Lisgaspi is a middlename, although to me as a stranger to these names it looked like a second surname.
The record you found on Geni, Mona is Thomas he came from Hawai before he met and married my relative.
His obituary mentions step-siblings yes, so there are hidden branches.
For now we just go the Almazan name then , I will try to find more information about this family, get a proper tree going and then I will add a surname to the project.
Thank you all this turned out in a very interesting conversation :)

Private User
6/4/2012 at 11:48 PM

A little late to this conversation stream but to answer the Philippine naming pattern, it is an adaptation of the Spanish style where the children take on the mother's surname as their middle name. This is such a custom that, even though it is not law, when I went to the proper government agency in Manila to get a copy of my birth certificate, the agent balked and argued with me that my middle name was incorrect and what is my middle name? (My mother followed my American side in the naming of her children, so none of us carry her surname in our names.) As a result they claimed to not be able to find a record of my birth. Later, I went to my hometown (on another island) and went through the same process with the agent there arguing that I needed my mother's surname in my middle name. I refused and firmly stuck to the name on my birth certificate. It took three months before I finally got my birth certificate showing my name as my mother gave it, following the American custom.

6/9/2012 at 5:01 PM

Hello, if I may butt in the on this conversation........
I 2010, I started a Geni Discussion Article titled, "Mother's Maiden Names". Regarding Filipino names, I have always written full names when writing to relatives which includes one first given name(s), a mother's maiden name, and a family surname. Among Filipino names there are so many repetitive first names as in Maria, Juan, Pedro, Miguel, Teresa, etc. Without the mother's maiden surname, it is almost difficult at best to know who is the child of a specific mother with the Mother's Maiden Name, and especially if the family surname(s) are also repeated in the same and subsequent generations. When filling our the Form for an individual, there is a blank space titled Maiden Name. Many of my relatives confuse this Maiden Name space as their surname, and sometimes they write a middle name, so a Mother's Maiden Name or Maiden Name or Middle name means different things. My given first name is HAROLD; My mother's Maiden Surame before she married my father) is LUMICAO; My Family Surname is LIBAN. Thus: HAROLD LUMICAO LIBAN. How can I share my Discussion Topic to this Discussion?

Private User
6/10/2012 at 5:16 PM

Hi Harold! Please add the link to that discussion on this thread. Sounds interesting!

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