Suggestion to reduce duplications

my main problem is when you have reseached the correct way and so you know yout info is correct yet you colaborate with people who have also done reseach and also appear to be correct ,so we are giving different sets of parents who happeb to be brothers and and sisters so the grandparents are correct on both sides. So the two lines are right but from different set of children. So we have the right two families but coming in different ways.

That's genealogy for you! If it wasn't a puzzle to figure out, in the face of conflicting evidence, we'd lose interest.:):)

Geni will get to the point where it can present conflicting but valid evidence better. In the meantime we have some decent workarounds. This is about presenting history in a comprehensible manner.

Barbara a non PRO can accept the merge request (shows in the request section of mail) but only a PRO can initiate it. So in your PRO account, generate a merge request to her profile. In her account, accept it. Make sure both accounts show in the Family Group. Hope I got that right.)

Erica, I am signed on as my daughter, Beth Dwyer, but this is Barbara Shepard, I can't complete merges that show up.

58 requested merges, but I can't complete a single one, without being asked to upgrade~!

Erica, so it has to show up in the MAIL? I looked in the 'merges' part.

Bethiah (Bauer) Dwyer's Merge Center
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Tree Matches (8)
Requested Merges (58)
Tree Conflicts (0)
Data Conflicts (0)

Here is what it looks like

Erica, well that's why I don't like merging and colabroration.

Erica, well that's why I don't like merging and colabroration.

Barbara as yourself you should be, as a PRO in the same Family Group as your daughter, be able to complete those merges from merge center. I do not work enough in the Family Group to be more explicit unfortunately.

Judy you like to work in the public historic tree and yes, you are constrained as a Non PRO. However you can correct data and resolve conflicts for all those profiles you manage. Why don't you? I've gladly fixed little typos and tried to add value to profiles you manage. It saddens me you seem unwilling to return the favor - or as we like to say - perform random acts of genealogical kindness.

Barbara see this post http://www.geni.com/discussions/111634?msg=809164

One option is to have certain fields in a profile remain private if people wanted to share information and memories about their loved ones. I have not come across any of those of recently deceased people. Most of the stuff I see in the info places are for long dead people and pastings from wikipedia.

Mike Stangel can you shed some light on this?

Is the second profile in such a request a private profile?

Geni is making an error displaying the Pro icon on that merge because being Pro would not help. They should probably show some other symbol like the padlock.

Not even Geni curators have access to merge with private profiles without family group access.

Private User I am in your Family Group, so I was able to take a closer look. Beth's profile appears to be marked as private. I am also not seeing any duplicates (tree matches) or pending merges (blue dots) anywhere near that part of the tree.

Can you send me a link to at least one of the 58 merges (or of both profiles that you are trying to merge together) that you have been trying unsuccessfully to complete?

Erica, I did that on one but to be honest with you when there are several people invilved I feel strange doing it. If they are manager too they can re correct it if they want so that defeats the change. I don't like yo mess with other people's work just like having my work messed with. The real historical ones I don't bother with. I just like to look at them and follow them back if it's something I don't have. Most of my tree I do have but sometimes you happen on something new. The woman who helped me find my Canadian French f intevendamily, I was really stuck, was God sent. Once she explained how things workd and found my great great grandparent, I knew who they were but didn't know how to track the. Turned out I had some of it but thought I was doing it wrong. Anyway once she intervend Thank you thank you thank you, I was off and running. If I am ever able to get the money to join I will happer;y add all of them, about 100 more people. Since my spell check at the mement is not on new lap top I hope to have less typoa. Can't promise anything and I thank anyone who fixes them. Fix away, please!

David Kaleita: this is Barbara Shepard, on Beth's profile, I just accepted your request to join your family group and to collaborate with you. I also changed some of the settings. Maybe you can see what I am talking about now. Thanks, Beth aka Barbara! haha

David Kaleita: here are some of the merges. I just copied and pasted them, so don't know how they will come out on here.

Thomas Levy

Barbara Jean Shepard

4/25/2012

Barbara Jean Shepard

View Pending Merge

Frank Thompson

Barbara Jean Shepard

4/25/2012

Barbara Jean Shepard

View Pending Merge

John Levy

Barbara Jean Shepard

4/25/2012

View Pending Merge

Clarence Levy, Jr.

Barbara Jean Shepard

3/2/2012

Barbara Jean Shepard

View Pending Merge

Fay Innocenzi (Thompson) Innocenzi

Barbara Jean Shepard

3/2/2012

Julie Innocenzi

View Pending Merge

Anthony Innocenzi

Barbara Jean Shepard

3/2/2012

Julie Innocenzi

View Pending Merge

William Levy, Sr.

Barbara Jean Shepard

1/30/2012

Barbara Jean Shepard

View Pending Merge

Maureen Thompson

Barbara Jean Shepard

12/27/2011

Barbara Jean Shepard

View Pending Merge

David : I guess they came out crappy!

Private User I just looked at nearby merges for Clarence Levy, Jr. All the profiles are private so can't be merged except by family group members. Have you tried to contact the managers?

Are these merges with other claimed OR INVITED profiles?

What is puzzling is that you, Barbara Jean, can't see them ... have you looked at your "relatives" list? (under the Family -> Lists).

As Pro (yourself) you can see the merge requests if you first select Bethiah's profile (or one of her kids), then, under the Action menu, select "View Nearby Merge Issues". That should get you (as yourself) the list of merges.

When I did that and looked at "J. Levy" I see that the two profiles involved are managed by "brian levy" and "Rober Levy" .... assuming they are both in the same Family Group, one of them has to approve the merge --- if you can't!

re: "View Nearby Merge Issues" ... I think only shows on an unclaimed profile (under the Action button).

Private User I'm going to have one of our engineers look at this... it appears to be a bug, it certainly wasn't our intent to bait people into becoming Pro (other than maybe giving them a taste of what Pro merge permissions are like, so they might consider it once the limited time for free merges expires)

Taking a look at the first one on your daughter's list (John Levy), it appears that she cannot complete the merge because it needs to be accepted by someone in the other tree. What's different is that she can approve that requested merge, whereas before clicking "Yes, request to merge" would have sent her to a Pro upsell wall. Still, I don't think that requested merge for John Levy should be there at all, because you've already approved your family's side of the merge. We'll investigate and report back.

Part of the problem is that most or all of the claimed profiles in the tree Barbara is trying to merge with appear to be abandoned.

Example:
Private User

Right, the reason they all say "Yes, request to merge" instead of "Yes, merge these profiles" is that the merge is awaiting approval from someone on the other side. The difference since we made the announced change is that clicking Yes will actually DO something instead of hitting you with a pay wall.

I got clarification on why these are showing up in the merge center: the "My Relatives" group in the merge center will show all requested merges in that maximum family group range (3rd great grandparents, 4th cousins, etc). The "Managed by Me" and "Managed by My Collaborators" groups are the ones that hide a requested merge once someone approves the profile on "your side" of the merge.

I love straight-shooters - Good for you Barbara - for saying how it is - and how you feel about the current GENI restrictions & procedures:)

Wow, we've actually come full circle and returned to the original topic of discussion! :)

Barbara, from what Mike is saying it sounds to me that most of the 58 involve profiles that require users in isolated trees to approve the match. That is a snag that affects everyone, BASIC, PRO and Curators alike, but we need to keep in mind that these trees do represent the work of other people.

did everyone noticed that Juile's tree is also a standalone one ?

the curator tool is to see that she hasn't been online since April 2011

is you see a manager or profiles that don't have an option to see if you're related to them and you just see "No path found to J. Innocenzi." and no "blue box" of how you're related that's usually means this is a standalone / unconnected tree

hope that's clear enough?

:-)

Barbara - if I had to remove all the Divorced people from our tree - it would be 100's.

You are part of that tree - part of that history - and it does not matter if there were offsprings or not. That is how history & genealogy work.