Need some help finding Dutch ancestors back in the Netherlands

Started by Private User on Wednesday, November 14, 2012


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Private User
11/14/2012 at 10:11 AM

If you would like to find out where your Dutch ancestors came from or would like to find their families back in the Netherlands you can place a help request here.

11/24/2012 at 11:58 AM

@ Gert Petrus Jacobus Snyman and wife Anna Jacoba Cecilia Jacobs
Gert Petrus Jacobus Snyman (+/-1839 -14 Aug 1919 and wife Sarah Johanna Dorothea Cloete (+/- 1848 - 25 Aug 1925)

Sarah Johanna Dorothea Snyman ( ± 1881) married 4 Junie 1917 (Petrusburg) She was 36 years and he 48 years Arie Gerhardus Swiegers

Gert Petrus Jacobus (Gebore ± 1883)
Married: 5 Mei 1919 (Petrusburg) He was 36 years and Hendrina Carolina van Niekerk was 22 years.

Jacobus Johannes Snyman
Married: 27 May 1913 (Koffiefontein). He was 28 years and Catharina Maria Marais 20 years old.

I do have the some of the relatives born for Jacobus Johannes Snyman and Catharina Maria Marais. Do not have the link to when they have arrived in South Africa

11/25/2012 at 9:55 PM

Yes please! I’m looking for descendents of my great grandfather’s sibligns.

Wiltje Douwes Schaap
Birth: September 16, 1840 (Irnsum, Rauwerderhem, Friesland, Netherlands)
Death: October 21, 1918 (Irnsum, Friesland, Rauwerderhem, Netherlands)
Husband of Antje Pieters Faber (16 July 1841 – 20 January 1929)

Sybren Wiltjes Schaap, SV/PROG (Immigrated to South Africa)
Birth: May 9, 1874 (Irnsum, Rauwerderhem, Friesland, The Netherlands)
Death: November 22, 1965 (Tzaneen, Lowveld, Limpopo, South Africa)
Husband of Elinor Christina Moulder

Douwe Wiltjes Schaap (He was a principal at a school)
Birth: February 28, 1867
Husband of Adriaantje Dirks Wijngaarden
Father of Wiltje Schaap and Sijke Schaap

Eeltje Schaap (He owned a bakery)
Birth: February 14, 1878 (Irnsum, Rauwerderhem, Friesland, The Netherlands)
Death: 1962 (Sneek, Friesland, The Netherlands)
Husband of Geertje Post

Luitzen Wiltjes Schaap
Birth: May 27, 1876 (Rauwerderhem, Friesland, The Netherlands)
Death: November 22, 1945 (Irnsum, Friesland, The Netherlands)
Husband of Feikje Ates Dijkstra

Tsjalling (Tjalling) Schaap
Birth: May 21, 1871 (Idaarderadeel, Roordahuizum)
Death: December 8, 1933 (Leeuwarden, Friesland, The Netherlands)

Japke Faber (Schaap)
Birth: September 10, 1880

I am planning a trip to Friesland next year and would love to meet the family!!

11/26/2012 at 2:08 AM

1) Huwelijksakte Baarderadeel, 1902

Man : Luitzen Wiltjes Schaap, oud 25 jaar, geboren te Rauwerd Ouders: Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

2) Huwelijksakte Rauwerderhem, 1867

Man : Wiltje Douwes Schaap, oud 26 jaar, geboren te Irnsum Ouders: Douwe Luitjens Schaap en Akke Tjallings de Vries

3) Huwelijksakte Rauwerderhem, 1903

Man : Eeltje Schaap, oud 25 jaar, geboren te Rauwerd Ouders: Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber Ouders: Cornelis Jans Post en Symentje Douwes Sytsma

4) Geboorteakte Idaarderadeel, 1871

Tjalling Schaap, geboren 21 mei 1871 Zoon van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

5) Geboorteakte Idaarderadeel, 1872

Pieter Schaap, geboren 25 november 1872 Zoon van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

6) Geboorteakte Rauwerderhem, 1821

Wiltje Schaap, geboren 2 mei 1821 Zoon van Luitzen Aukes Schaap en Ruurdtje Douwes

7) Geboorteakte Rauwerderhem, 1867

Douwe Schaap, geboren 28 februari 1867 Zoon van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

8) Geboorteakte Rauwerderhem, 1869

Pieter Schaap, geboren 25 april 1869 Zoon van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

9) Geboorteakte Rauwerderhem, 1874

Sybren Schaap, geboren 9 mei 1874 Zoon van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

10) Geboorteakte Rauwerderhem, 1876

Luitzen Schaap, geboren 27 mei 1876 Zoon van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

11) Geboorteakte Rauwerderhem, 1878

Eeltje Schaap, geboren 14 februari 1878 Zoon van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

12) Geboorteakte Rauwerderhem, 1880

Japke Schaap, geboren 10 september 1880 Dochter van Wiltje Douwes Schaap en Antje Pieters Faber

11/26/2012 at 4:31 AM

Thanks Fred!

I have a question though. I see that every town in Friesland has an ijsbaan. BUT when I look at pictures, it is a big open green field with sheep grazing on it!! How is it an Ijsbaan when there's grass?? Do they flood it with water in the winter to turn it into an ijsbaan?!?

11/26/2012 at 9:27 AM

That's awesome! I'm thinking now that I should visit in winter rather than summer!

11/26/2012 at 9:47 AM

Braam, if it's your first visit to Friesland, you will understand, in winter, where the name comes from. It really comes from "Freeze Land" :-)
From a historical perspective, I simply remain amazed how people could thrive in such a cold and barren land. Then again, from the historical perspective, I suspect that the Spanish powers over the Low Countries just felt that 'Freeze Land' was a plain STOP :-)
I looked at your tree, and added a few more people. I suspect that you know how to use - and I'm sure you'll find some more connections there (but perhaps not under the Schaap surname).
How about the Schoeman family?

11/26/2012 at 10:06 AM

Braam, in this website you can find almost all original documents since 1811 in Friesland:

11/26/2012 at 10:58 AM

George, I have managed to connect with a few of my Schoeman cousins. I also recently undertook a DNA test with FTDNA (still waiting for them to receive the samples in the USA) to see if I can trace ancestors further back than the progenitor Heinrich Schumacher who came to South Africa. My main focus for now is the Schaap family as it is the family that I know best and had the most involvement with growing up. I almost consider myself more a Schaap than a Schoeman.

I must have inherited the Schaap genes, because I flourish in cold weather. The colder the better. It is ironic that my Frisian great grandfather decided to settle in one of the hottest towns in South Africa (to my discomfort!) where we regularly experience days above 40degrees celsius. Then again, I don’t think I have experienced that type of extreme cold, so for all I know I might not even like it. Just thought it would be easier going in November/December as I’m going on a choral tour to the Netherlands and thought I could kill two birds with one stone.

Fred, I know allefriezen quite well and have managed to get a lot of information there. There is, however, a point where it stops and I cannot find any living relatives. There are a few potentials that I discovered on Facebook (who’d have thought to use Facebook as a genealogy source!) but I am not 100% sure that they are the people I’m looking for and I’m afraid that they might not take too kindly to me contacting them on their Facebook profiles. I tried contacting one Schaap relative in August who I am fairly sure is related to me and I have yet to hear anything back from her. Que sera…

11/26/2012 at 11:00 AM

Oh yes, George, so far I have only looked at Sybren's brothers. I will eventually get to his father's brothers and sisters. Thank you for the van der Werfs. Will have a look at them.

11/26/2012 at 11:56 AM

Braam, I am a Bergman but I am raised in the family of my mother Vlietman. I started on Faceboek a page Vlietman genealogy and all over the world I found Vlietman descendants who are all family to each other and I only had to ask their mothers and grandmothers names to connect them with the Vlietman tree. I invited them to Geni with their Facebook emailaddress that is for everyone easy to compose. You see on their facebookpage in the address their facebookname and with that you start, followed by et voila you can invite the person to the profile you make for them!

11/26/2012 at 9:39 PM

Thanks Fred, I will give that route a try.

2/16/2013 at 10:36 PM

HI, need help or advice. I have been building our Family tree here in the Philippines and I have found out that our ancestors are from Netherlands actually my old relatives said that our ancestors where 3 brothers, German speaking. I have learned that Eisma originated in Netherlands

"Eisma means son of Eisse (which is a dutch firstname). The Eisma's owned a province once called the Eisma-staate (the Eisma (e)state) in Friesland, in the north of The Netherlands. They were rich farmers and belonged to the aristocracy."

and to make matter worse none of my relatives remember their names. My question is will there be a chance to find their names?

Dutch Eisma - ?
GGGFather - Sesario Eisma - 1850 est.
GGFather - Tomas Eisma - 1883 est.
GFather - Felipe Eisma - unknown died at war
Father - Alfredo Eisma - 1921

Private User
2/17/2013 at 5:19 AM

A good place to ask questions or seek for help is also:
where a lot of people with Dutch ancestry a/o international experience can help you out tracing the right archives to complete or enrich your documentation.

Feel free to ask a 'membership' there, so you can follow new developments too. And if you are able to understand Dutch reading or writing, we welcome you too at the
or --when you like to help to add new found sources-- :

We are proud to have a rich internet-history with lots of good digital 'libraries', not only from wiki-pedia, but also from respected institutions, f.i. with a storage of biographies. We only need each other's friendship & co-operation to make this 'schat aan publieke informatie' readable and understandable for people abroad.

2/18/2013 at 8:28 AM

Hi Job Sesario Eisma is my Great Great Great Grand Father I was hoping if I could nknow his Father which is a Dutch

2/18/2013 at 8:39 AM

The only problem job is none of my relatives knew the name and I was the only one who's trying to seek for the names.

I found this on the Eisma Axmear Genealogy paper

Gilles Fekkes Eisma, born around 1658, was commander at sea and
living in Haarlem. His brother, Dirk, born 1653 in Bolsward, is
presumably the city pharmacist in Haarlem; and you can find him on a
painting from 1692 from the Collegium Medico-Pharmaceuticum from
which he was a member. It is unknown if Gillis and Dirk were
married and left children behind.

But Since I have no clue I don't know how to start

2/18/2013 at 3:51 PM


It is difficult.
You could try:
It could be someone there has information that can help you.

Private User
2/18/2013 at 4:14 PM

Alvin Eisma

Sesario is likely Cesar. Quite a few Cesar Eisma in Frisia. Have you checked ?

Private User
2/18/2013 at 4:20 PM
10/23/2013 at 2:18 AM

I would like help to trace the family of my fathers mother, Gertrud Kox born Buderich 5/9/1911 died circa April 1953. She was the wife of Petrus Bastianus van Waard born August 14, 1909, died September 16, 1945 Haarlem, Netherlands. Married on 30/ Dec 1931

I live in New Zealand so finding and confirming information is difficult I have searched many databases but have not been able find and birth or death record

Private User
10/23/2013 at 2:23 AM

Jacques Robert van Waard Büderich is in Germany but the problem is that there are 3 places in Germany with this name, one Büderich part of Wesel, one Büderich a part of Meerbusch, and one part of Werl.

Private User
10/23/2013 at 2:29 AM

And because she was born in 1911 it is possible that this record is not available yet

11/7/2013 at 11:10 PM

We have not been able to determine Getrude Kox' home town and at this point in time can onlyoffer an educated guess that it may be "Büderich a part of Meerbusch" if only because of the modern day concentration of the Kox surname to the Netherlands border nearer to there. We are still looking at this end for any info that may aid our search. My paternal grandmothers' part of our family tree is the only part left to develop and we would dearly love to complete it

best regards

11/8/2013 at 3:03 AM

Stamboom van Waard
auteur Fred van Waard (one of my familymembers):
Fred van Waard
Piet Van Waard
Geboren 14-08-1909
Overleden 16-09-1945
Gehuwd 30-12-1931
Gehuwd met Truus Kox
Geboren 05-09-1911
Overleden 00-04-1953

11/8/2013 at 10:21 PM

Greetings Fred
I am the grandson of one of Fred van Waard's fathers brothers i.e. I am Fred van Waards cousin once removed. I thank you for the information. Ialready have it as Fed van Waards profile is my family tree.
What I don't have for Getrude Kox is the specific info such as exact date of death, place of burial, a defined place of birth etc etc.
I have been a bit bewildered in trying to determine where to look. I ave tried many online databases etc looking for any info I can but I am a bit lost at the moment. Just trying to find out where to look in the German online sites has given me a few sleepless nights here in New Zealand.

jack van waard

11/9/2013 at 11:57 AM

HI jack! Did you contact Fred van Waard allready? It is not yet possible to see the marriage document, because that isn't yet 75 years old. But Fred as a direct familymember and also you are allowed to see it, but then it must be requested to the municipality where the civil register is and that is the municipality where she married. In that document are mentioned both parents of the bride and the groom.

4/10/2014 at 10:29 AM

Poging om die Engelbrecht stamboom van Jan Johannes Engelbrecht, SV/PROG 1704 - 1739, husband of Johanna Guillaumet, father of Hermanus Engelbrecht; Wilhelmus Engelbrecht; Glaudina Engelbrecht and Josias Engelbrecht verder terug te spoor voordat hy oorgekom het na Suid Afrika.

Private User
4/10/2014 at 10:32 AM

Daniel Hendrik Engelbrecht
Ik kan je medemanager maken van de Engelbrecht-profielen die ik beheer. Is dat een start? groeten, Jeannette.

4/10/2014 at 10:43 AM

Baie dankie Jeannette!

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