Using Ele Toldot at LBI

Started by Randy Schoenberg on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
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The Ele Toldot at Leo Baeck Inst is a goldmine of information, with a page listing parents, spouses, children and documentation for every identified individual (mostly from the gravestones in Frankfurt cemeteries and vital records).

I go to http://www.lbi.org/digibaeck/results/?qtype=pid&term=258967

At the very bottom, I click on View Object

Then on the Copyrights page I click on the lower right corner on Continue

On the next page, on the left side, there is a menu and I click on the little + next to Part C. Hauptteil (Personalregister)

That gives a list of date ranges for the profile pages for each person buried in the Frankfurt cemetery and other family members.

Click on one of the date ranges and you will get the Copyrights screen in the window to the right. Click Continue in the lower right corner and then it will download the pdf of that file

You can scroll up and down using the bar on the right side.

When i click in the lower right corner of that screen, I get a menu of options to zoom in and out and save and print.

I use screen shot (see Apple-Shift-4 on a Mac or http://www.awesomescreenshot.com on a PC) to take a shot of the image and use it to upload as a photo to the profile page of the person on Geni.

I hope this helps. If you need any more help figuring out how to use it, please contact me on Geni at Randy Schoenberg or send me an e-mail at randols@bslaw.net.

This may give you and others more on the abreviations

> from GERSIG Digest for Friday, April 28, 2006.
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> 1. Re:Ettlinger's 'Ele Toldot' - help understanding the sources
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> Some of them are very common:
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> Ho is the book of epitaphs by Chief Rabbi Markus HOROVITZ "Die Inschriften des alten Friedhofs" Frankfurt 1901. The epitaphs are numbered in chronological order. Ettlinger often makes correction to the error of this books. He wrote that 15 to 25% of the epitaphs have some error. It covers the years 1272-1828.
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> sk is the Sefer haKabranim, register of the burial people. It is an outstanding source. It gives the kinship of the deceased to the people already burried nearby. When names are repeated in the same family, this helps ort out who is who. This register was copied by Rabbi UNA and partially published by him. Last entry is 9/14/1828.
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> MF is the Memorbuch of Frankfurt. Before WWII they were two copies. One is now at the Jewish National and University Library, Jerusalem .It is digitized and on-line.
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> http://jnul.huji.ac.il/dl/pinkasim/ffdm It covers the years 1631-1828
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> Jb is Judenbronnenrohrbuch recording tax on Jewish weddings. There is no existing Jewish sources for wedding so this document is also very important.
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> Li is jedenlisten, covering 1380-1802. So the number is the year.
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> AU Abschaffung der uebermenge der Juden. I don't remember the details. I think it is a request to expel the jews and it gives details about the community.
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> Et. stands for Ettlinger. This is an early unpublished work Ettlinger prepared on the community based on tax documents of the period 1697-1805.
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also from another list

> Ho.757: Ho. Means Horowitz, Grabsteiner (korrigiert) edited version of Horovitz grave registry.
> sk.284-11: sk means Sefer Hakabranim (book of buriers), 284-11 means entry no. 11 on page 284
> MF.34-17: MF means Frankfurter Memmerbuch (Frankfurt's Jewish community memory book) 34-17 means "Gemeindeexemplar" (copy of the community)entry 17 on page 34.
> Re.1604 Rechenbuecher.
> Jb.1604 Judenbronnenrohrbuch (?)
> Be.1613 Bedebuech 1613. Correct. (Prayer books).
> Li.1619 Verschd. Staedt. Judenverzeischnisse (Various city records).
> AU.S.13 page 13 of what? Actually A=DC (with umlaut) Abschaffung der Uebermenge der Juden.
> Et.153-1,7 means Ettlinger, Die Frankfurter Staettigkeitsjuden 1697 /1805.
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Pierre

Terrific. I am adding the Ele Toldot page as a photo for each profile, so everyone can review the source information that way.

Now I am having trouble getting Ele Toldot at LBI to work. Is anyone else having problems?

Switched from Safari to Chrome and now it is working again. Odd.

I am having problems with Safari on PC. Can't get it to work.

Google Chrome seems to be the only thing that works for Ele Toldot. Go to https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/ to download.

I have only been using the Ele Toldot from the website of the Center for Jewish History in NY. I eventually found the abbreviations list in one of the introductory volumes. But I was looking for an explanation of the Source listed as Ug. E. And that page is so faint it is almost impossible to read... from the little I could make out... something like well noted sources some of which are in good condition and some in very poor shape. Some frames are accorded number such as E. 43/49 E. 55/56 D. 7 D. 14 but this was not enough to clarify the meaning. Does anyone know more about this?

I don't. Can you help identify the page so I can look at it too?

Hi all!
I am looking for the SK = Sefer haKabranim and the Jb = Judenbronnenrohrbuch , does anyone know if they still exist? and if they are available online?

Hi all, in case others might benefit from these, the following sources mentioned above are available free for download at the following locations:

MF - Memorbuch Frankfurt: https://www.europeana.eu/en/item/229/urn_nbn_de_hebis_30_2_245016

Ho. - Horowitz, "Die Inschriften des alten Friedhofs der israelitischen Gemeinde zu Frankfurt"
https://books.google.com/books/about/%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8_%D7%90%D7%9...

Best,
Dan

The second is not downloadable for me. Whether something is downloadable from Google Books seems to depend on location.

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