brother in law

Started by Peter Dennis..Gone fishing! on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
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2/19/2013 at 2:48 PM

William Smith and John Comfield were brothers-in -law . How were the so related ... thjrough williams wife or johns wife?

2/19/2013 at 11:22 PM

Thanks for posting the query, Peter. Any answers from out there?

2/19/2013 at 11:23 PM

Also post the profile links here - that will mean this discussion will be cross-noted on each of their profiles too.

2/20/2013 at 4:25 AM

link to william
William Smith, SV/PROG
there is no link to John Comfield .
I do not know how to add an unrelated profile.

2/20/2013 at 5:13 AM

Do you mean that John isn't on the tree?

2/20/2013 at 5:31 AM

He was not . But i found the missing info ..He married William's sister Elizabeth (Eliza)
So i have added him.

2/20/2013 at 6:09 AM

But the thick plottens..

More questions than answers pop up..

My primary interest is in William SMITH (leader of the William Smith Party).
If you have Nash, see pages 121 and 122, but he is also listed in all the
1820 Settler books and lists. He came out to SA with his wife
Ann/Anna/Hannah, and one of my brick walls is that I do not know her maiden
name - I cannot find her maiden name mentioned anywhere. Even her first name
is uncertain - she is not often mentioned, and when she is, she is referred
to as "Ann" or "Anna" or Hannah, or just as "Mrs SMITH".

The "William SMITH Party" travelled on the "Northampton", and his party
consisted of (and persons I am mainly interested in):

- William SMITH and his wife Ann/Anna/Hannah UNKNOWN. I am particularly keen
to find out the maiden name of William's wife.

- William's brother John Josiah SMITH.

- William's sister Elizabeth and her husband John COMFIELD, and their
daughter Eliza (born at sea).

- Robert Wood BAGOT and his wife Letitia, and their son Edward. Also their
step children Harriet and Robert O'CONNOR. Harriet later married John Josiah

- Morse Jones in his book "Roll of the British Settlers in SA" mentions a
John JAKINS, aged 12, being in the care of William SMITH. Nash doesn't
mention him at all.

Now why would an apparent stranger, John JAKINS, be in the care of William
SMITH? One possibility is the John JAKINS is some relation of his wife, and
thus John JAKINS becomes a possible link to the maiden name and other family
members of "Mrs SMITH". I have found some possible links, but nothing that
is conclusive and that fits the other facts well enough.

Ann/Anna/Hannah SMITH died on 22 Dec 1830 at the age of 34, and is buried in
the Old Grahamstown Cemetery, in Grahamstown, together with infant daughter
Amelia. The inscription has her name as "Hannah", so I am assuming that
"Hannah" is her given name, and that "Ann" and "Anna" are shortened forms.

But the thick plottens - also buried in the same grave is William Salter
SANDERS. I still haven't the faintest idea how he fits into the picture, but
there is definitely a link there somewhere, because quite a few SMITH
descendants have been given second names of "Salter" and "Sanders" - too
much of a coincidence. All research down this road has also ended in a

I have personally visited and photographed this grave (actually more of a
"monument" than a grave) to Hannah and Amelia SMITH and William SANDERS in
Grahamstown. Unfortunately, and very sadly, vandals have scratched and spray
painted on it. The inscriptions on the two plaques read:-

1) | IN | MEMORY | OF HANNAH. | Wife of William SMITH | Who Departed THIS |
Life 22 Dec. 1830 Aged 34 | Years. Also Their Daughter | ~ AMELIA ~ | Who
Died 26 Days After | Her Beloved MOTHER, | Aged 2 Years 4 Months | Be Ye
Also Ready. |

2) | IN | MEMORY | of | Wm. SALTER SANDERS. | Lieut. Royal Africans Corps. |
who died | 17th August 1830. | Aged 38 Years | Death is Swallowed | up in
Victory. |

John Smith
Pretoria, South Africa

2/20/2013 at 7:05 AM


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