Grace Frizer Ashton (Meese) - Birth, Marriage and Death Dates of Grace Frizer Ashton (Meese)

Started by Private User on Sunday, July 7, 2013


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Private User
7/7/2013 at 12:29 PM

Greetings, I would like to see if we could compare the birth, marriage and death dates of Grace. I'm going to insert a lineage sheet for her under "Media" I'm showing her as my 9th Great Grandmother. The dates shown here would have her father as 1 year old when Grace was born according to my records. Any feedback with documentation would be greatly appreciated. Michael Malone in Orlando

7/7/2013 at 1:11 PM

I struggled with that data as well. I am heading out to Asheville, NC for the week and do not know if I can get the data to you as I will be in meetings most of the time. If I do have a moment, I will send the information to you. I also have some more information about The Clyfton's in 989 AD and Scotland, which creates a confusing scenario. I would like to set up a web meeting for a few of us to discuss some of the documents. September may be a good time. I just came across some other conflicts with the Clifton's as well that I knew about and forgot. More later!! Have a great week.

7/8/2013 at 12:18 AM

This is one source: I have had conversations regarding birthdates and it seems that MANY of the tribes daughters and girls married as early as 8 years old, so I am still looking into this data. I believe that my DNA test from 23andMe and the data I found can put me in a good place to have the tribe test me to see if I am of the blood line. I plan to visit the tribe in the near future and discuss it with them.;id=8386 more to follow

7/8/2013 at 12:20 AM

JSTOR: The William and Mary Quarterly, Vol. 7, No. 2 (Oct., 1898), pp. 115-119

You will find that William and Mary Quarterly has a lot about the Clifton line. More to follow.

7/8/2013 at 12:24 AM

This is a lot to offer here, but I do not have any other way of getting this information to you. Ancestral Records and Portraits: A Compilation from the Archives of Chapter ... - Colonial Dames of America. Chapter I, Baltimore, Grafton Press - Google Books

7/8/2013 at 6:01 PM

You may want to read this information

Private User
7/10/2013 at 2:43 PM

Rhonda, I have a cousin I would like to include if there is a web meeting... she is a 30+ year veteran with the Clifton line and most all of my information came from her.

7/11/2013 at 5:32 AM

Of course!! What we need is documented information such as records that I have been working to find. I will be back in Florida Friday and can catch up a bit. We have a new project for Wounded Warriors from the government. So I think I will be in Florida for a while setting it up. In my extra time, I will send MORE amazing documents for you to review. What is your cousin's name?

Private User
7/12/2013 at 4:18 AM

That would be Kathy Clifton !

7/13/2013 at 7:28 AM

I will send everything along this weekend dealing with Grace.

Private User
7/13/2013 at 3:48 PM

OK thanks !

7/14/2013 at 5:59 AM

How do I attach a word document. It is important data regarding the name Calli and Clifton and shows that they are the same. It is Public Record Office
(now known as National Archives of England) Kew, Surrey that provides details about the Clifton family and happens with them.

Private User
7/14/2013 at 10:14 AM

Do you want to attach it to a persons file or to this communications? I highlight then control C and paste control V.

Private User
7/14/2013 at 10:21 AM

If you want to forward it you can to my email address michaelmalone007 at

7/14/2013 at 1:03 PM

I found this data, that will really change things. I have come to a conclusion that Osbert had a brother. There are too many people with the same name, but different birthdates and death dates that are different. I am revising my Clifton line tree as I discover new people:

MANORS: Eartham was probably included in Aldingbourne at the time of the Domesday Survey. Its early history is obscure, but the overlordship of about 14 hides lay with the Bishop of Chichester. These hides were attached for purposes of manorial finance to the manors of Aldingbourne (11hides), Bishopstone (2 hides), and Preston (1 hide),and notices of their holders appear in four lists, that ofpersons responsible for the upkeep of the park palings at Aldingbourne (c. 1260), (fn. 5) the Feodary (c. 1290), (fn. 6) and the Scutages of 1300 (fn. 7) and 1310. (fn. 8) One hide recorded under Bishopstone was part of 20 hides held in1260 by Lucy de Clifton. She was daughter of Reynold (who held this estate c. 1255 (fn. 9) ) and granddaughter of another Reynold, (fn. 10) who was presumably representative of the Walter de Clifton who in 1166 held 1½ knights' fees of the Bishop of Chichester. (fn. 11) Lucy married Gaudin de Blancmuster (de Albo Monasterio) and died without issue after April 1286 (fn. 12) and before the end of1287. (fn. 13) In 1290 and 1300 this hide was held by 'the heirs of Lady de Clifton', but their identity is uncertain and the descent of this hide is unknown.

From: 'Eartham', A History of the County of Sussex: Volume 4: The Rape of Chichester (1953), pp. 152-154. URL:

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Thomas de Clifton seems to have held 4 oxgangs of land in Great Fieldplumpton in 1289–that would be a fourth partof Plumpton; De Banco R. 80, m. 125 d.
In 1299 Egelina widow of Walter deClifton claimed dower in a messuage, &c.,ana 4 oxgangs of land in Great Fieldplumpton against Gilbert de Singleton,who called Thomas de Clifton to warrant him; ibid. 127, m. 114d. Afterwards Thomas called John son of Walter deClifton to warrant him; ibid. 138, m. 99.Isabel widow of William de Clifton claimed dower in two messuages, &c., and4 oxgangs of land in Field Plumpton in1324–5 against William son of William deClifton, and recovered; Assize R. 426,m. 8.
Nicholas del Marsh in 1327 complained that John son of Walter de Cliftona nd William his son had carried off certain goods of his at Great Plumpton; DeBanco R. 269, m. 63 d. Then in 1345Joan widow of John son of Walter dePlumpton claimed dower in a messuageand 4 oxgangs of land in Great Fieldplumpton. against William son of Johnde Plumpton; ibid. R. 342, m. 336 d.
This was probably the estate of six messuages, 4 oxgangs and 8 acres of land,and 60 acres of pasture, which was in1359 settled upon Robert Griffin and Joan his wife and their heirs male, with remainders to Thomas Tittele, to the issue of Joan, and to Sir William deClifton; Final Conc. (Rec. Soc. Lancs, and Ches.), ii, 160.
It may be added that Denis son of Nicholas del Marsh was plaintiff and William de Clifton defendant in a dispute as to land, &c., in Westby in 1322;De Banco R. 244, m. 128.
10Duchy of Lanc. Inq. p.m. ii, no. 7.It is recorded that Thomas de Lathom' died seised of the service of Robert deClifton, who held of him the manor of Field Plumpton in socage, rendering yearly 6s. 8d., which manor Thomas held of the manor of Penwortham by the said service.' This last clause seems to be erroneous, but it is possible that the Robert de Clifton here named as tenantwas the Robert Griffin of the last note.

From: 'Townships: Westby-with-Plumptons', A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 7 (1912), pp. 174-176. URL: Date accessed: 14 July 2013.

11/28/2017 at 1:30 PM

Was she a daughter of Col. Henry Meese, Sr.

I don't see Grace listed as a child on his profile.

Have you all resolved the chronology? I see two different generations !

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