Baruch ha Nasi de l'Estoile, ha Nasi - Mother?

Started by Randy Schoenberg on Thursday, July 25, 2013
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I am curious about the source for his mother, since she is the missing link to a tree that goes back to King David.

Never herd of.

I'm cutting her off, and will add MP'd N.N.' as Contessa's parents. Actually, I'm even more puzzled by the following profile on her path higher up...Son of Yokhanan HaSandlar, traditionally 22 generations to Yehoshua Zimri, Rashi's ancestor.
I suspect that if this were legitimate, we'd already seen a full line of 22 generations instead of a single wrap-up.

I was asking about Baruch's mother (not wife), who now has a birth date after her husband's death.

Is there any evidence that this person existed?

Why not ask Amos David Boasson - "the duplicator"?

or Rahel Jarach-Sztern?

Can you get Rahel or her husband to respond? I've tried. Maybe in French?

I try...

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Malka Mysels and Yigal Burstein -- If you look at Private User's comments on Randy's various posts about this line, the line's connection to the Horowitz line has no basis in fact.

The two of you do most of the work in rabbinical families. Can you handle this? Thanks.

I would be happy to detach the line but don't know where to do so.

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The manager was online this week, so I want to see if she answers before we sever it.

Randy Schoenberg I found an interesting recent source that compiled various archival lists from Paris in the 1200s and 1300s.

See: https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-03331538/document

I see a row for Contess and her husband Baru. No other family association.

A few rows higher up, I see Vivant de Miauz and his family. One set of profiles on Geni has Vivant as the father of Contesse - i.e. Vivant de Miauz - it is clearly a partial duplication of the tree here.

I wonder if what is going on here is the conflation of a number of different families that happened to be living in Paris in the middle ages, and that were not necessarily related to each other?

Randy Schoenberg Yigal Burstein we probably should do some severing here.

The document (https://hal.science/hal-03331538/document) provides a source for "Baru le'Mestre" and his wife Comitessa (no children listed) in 1292 in Paris.

Nothing about parents of *either* of them.

Clearly David Astruc de l'Estoile cannot be their child if born in 1350.

Avraham Hacohen "El Alfaquin" is at least plausible as Baru's father based on the timeline (i.e. somebody married and living in Paris in 1292 could be the child of somebody who died in 1294). No evidence found for the connection though.

Will try to work on it.

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