Andries Brink, SV/PROG - Andries Brink, SV/PROG - Dutch or Danish?

Baie dankie Craig. I will put it in the about section and change accordingly. Remember at the time of arrival the officials and many people couln't spell poorly. This is really a great breakthrough and I will also change in my own PAF.
Judi

I also have had the Denmark origin preferenced for the stamvader! Great to have the names of his parents listed. Thanks
Kim

This serves to confirm the facts that my mother told me about her father, Daniël Brink. He always said that his ancestors spoke Danish as a home language and this fact was carried from generation to generation. They certainly did not research family origins - it was just accepted as a fact that the Brink-progenitor was Danish.

Can we re-vist this please?

What are the sources that we're using to link Andries Andersen Brink, SV/PROG to parents Anders Hansen Brink and
Ingeborg Maria Brinch

I'm not finding any.

We don't seem to have any primary sources to back up either theory of his arrival in SA (let alone his birth place)

1. He's a of 16 yr old (Danish) survivor of the shipwreck of De Hoop on Dassen Island. (de Hoop was a Dutch Galiot owned by the Dutch East India Company. She was wrecked on Dassen Island 31 November 1734 during a strong north-west storm. ) *http://www.angelfire.com/folk/brinkfamily/files/hoofstuk3.pdf *https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC2E8Y0_ss-dassen-island?guid=2...

2. He arrives on the Abbekerk from Texel on 12 November 1735 https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?17688
http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=1474798

The VOC Abbekerk doc that has his name as Quartermaster isn't saying that he was on the Abbekerk though? http://www.eggsa.org/documents/main.php?g2_itemId=1474798
I don't think?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brink-420#_note-5

One of the Sources on his wkitree profile says:

Gegewens uit die VOC argief:

Detailgegevens: Gegevens van Andries Brinck uit Waarden
Datum: indiensttreding: 15 Junie 1735
Datum uit dienst: 20 Maart 1736
Functie bij indiensttreding: Kwartiermeester
Reden uit dienst: Vrijburger
Uitgevaren met het schip: Abbekerk
Plaats of schip: Kaap de Goede Hoop
Maandbrief: Nee
Schuldbrief: Ja
Gegevens van de vaart
Schip: Abbekerk
Inventarisnummer: 6016
Kamer: Amsterdam
Folio: 22
Vertrek: 15 Junie 1735
Aankomst: Batavia 27 Feb 1736
DAS-en reisnr: 2993.1
Kaap: 12 November 1735.

His father in law Andries Grové, SV/PROG has a Danish origin and arrives from Texel - to become a VOC employee - so that suggests that the son in law could easily have been Danish and arrived on the Abbekerk from Texel as well:

Arrived in the Cape(Cape Town, South Africa) from Norway on 29 April 1719, on the ship called 'De Amstelveen'. The ship left Texel on 16 Nov 1718.He worked for the V O C (Compagnje) onder the lead of KJ Slotsbo.Changed his name to Andries. In 1722 he became an admin clerk in the VOC, and soon after applied to become a Free Settler(Vryburger) In 1724 he bacame a Free Settler and he lived in Drakenstein.He received a 'Heemraad' appoinment near Riebeeck Kasteel in 1726. He received the farm 'Fontaines Gift' from Governer Jan de la Fontein, after helping the latter in a sea rescue. The farm is near Malmesbury today. In 1745 he bacame member of the 'Burgerraad'

He is the first generation Grové immigrant from Norway. Arrived in Cape Town in 1719 on the ship 'De Amstelveen', which left Texel,on 16 Nov 1718. He was emplyed by the VOC and served under K J Slotsbo. In 1722 he is emplyed as a clark in the VOC, and in 1722 he applied to become a Free Settler. He became one, and is recorded to have lived in Paardeberg, Drakenstein by 1724. In 1726 he gets a 'Heemraad' appointment near Riebeeck Kasteel in Tongasdrif, district Bergrivier. He is awarded the gift of a farm called 'Fontaines Gift' , by Governer Jan de la Fontaine, is recognition of bravery during heavy seas near Mosselbay, saving Fontaine's life. The farm is still called 'Fontaines gift' today, and is near Malmesbury. In 1745 he bacame a member of the 'Burgerraad'

cf https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brink-420#_note-5

Beknopte genealogiese gegewens van die Deense Brinks is as volg: Johan Brink *1660 in Slevig x Anne Anders Hansen Brink *1690 in Varde †1724 x Ingeborg Andersdatter in 1711 en hulle kinders was: Andreas Brink * 31 Januarie 1712 Varde ; Anne Brink * 23 Maart 1714 ; Jens Brink *12 Maart 1716 ; Johannes Brink *1 Mei 1718 ; Laurids *1721 waarskynlik oorlede voor doop ; Anna Maria *Maart 1723 =April 1723. Die mees aanvaarbarste teorie is dat stamvader Andries vir ‘n wyle vertoef het in Amsterdam, Nederland van waaruit hy met die Abbekerk vertrek het eers oor die Zuiderzee, tans Ysselmeer en daarna langs Texel, ‘n eiland 80km ten noorde van Amsterdam en so die Noord-see bereik het. Andries se kerk bywoning op 17 Februarie 1735 aan die Lutherse Kerk in Amsterdam is deur myself opgespoor voor sy vertrek. Ek het ook sy skuldbriew bekom, dus is die stories oor gestande skepe nie korrek nie. Arend Brink."

Yes, I think this "from" mistake is much more common than we think... through the entire spectrum of immigrants... origin was "documented" as place where the ship departed from, not as place of birth.

My research about the above mentioned Brinks.
BRINK
BRINKS
Johan Hans Brinch – 1660-1742 Gebore in: Ballum (Denemarke) Sterf in Oktober 1742 in Slesvig, Denemarke. Ballum in rooi aangedui, op die ouderdom van 82.


Hjorring in Denemarke, waar hy stellig gebore is.
Beroep: Boer en Meulenaar in Ballum GETROUD MET >
in
TALER KIRKE, SLESWIG, TONDER, DENEMARKE in 1685 (Albei dus 25 jaar oud) Anna Hansen 1660-1790
Gebore in 1660 in Orten, Varde Landsogn, V Horne, Ribe.
Sterf op 4 Mei 1790 in Orten, Varde Landsogn, V Horne, Ribe en word begrawe in Sct. Nikolaj Kirke, Varde.

KINDERS:
Anders Hansen Brinch 1688-1724; Laust Hansen Brinch 1693-1752; Onbekend 1695-1743;
Peder Hansen Brinck;
Anders Brinch
Anders Hansen Brinch 1688-1724
Ek vermoed die latere ‘Andriese’ in die familie spruit uit ‘Anders’. Gebore in: Ballum, Slesvig, Denemarke, soos sy pa.
Beroep: hy was ‘n meulenaar.
Sterf op 16 November in 1724 in Orten, Varde Landsogn, Vester Horne, Ribe, Denemarke. Dit lyk asof hy sy windmeul verkoop of gekoop het aan/van skipper Søren Jessen van Hjerting, Guldager parish op 6 Julie 1724.
Die miniature dorpie in Varde is die enigste miniatuur dorpie in die wereld wat presies volgens skaal met die tradisionele vakmanskap gebou is. Die Arnbjerg Park is ’n pragtige agtergrond vir hierdie groeiende toeristeaantreklikheid. Dit is ’n miniatuur weergawe van die ou Varde wat vernietig is a.g.v. sekere stadsmense wat per ongeluk brande gestig het in die 19de eeu. Varde word nou herbou op ’n skaal van 1:10 presies soos dit was ongeveer die jaar 1860. TROU MET >
In 13 Julie 1738 te Varde, Ribe, Daler Kirke, Tønder Amt, Denemarke, met Anders Hansen Brink.
Ingeborg Maria Andersdatter
1694-1756
Gebore in 1694 te GAERUP, DENEMARKE

Sterf op 12 April 1756 in Varde, Syddanmark, Denemarke of op 31 Maart 1756 te Östeby, Svarteborg(O).

KINDERS:
Kaptein Andries Hansen Brink (Stamvader-Prog) 1712-1789;
Anne Andersdatter Brink (Klinting/Nielsen) 1714-1767;
Jens Andersen Brink 1716-1790;
Johannes Andersen Brink 1718-1780;
Laurids Andersen Brink 1722-1725; Anne Marie Andersdatter Brink 1723-1796;
N N Brinch ?-1752

Marriage to: Olof Olofsson
Apr 27 1712
Svarteborg (O)

Kaptein Andries Hansen Brink (Stamvader-Prog) 1712-1789. Gebore op 31 Januarie 1712 in Orten, Varde, Syddanmark, Denemarke.
Beroep: Boer, plase De La Fontaines-Gift, 20 12 1738(Ontvang as bruidskat van skoonpa Grove) enUitkyk, 21 9 1746 verkry van sy weduwee skoonma, hy woon daar tot 20 5 1763 na hy van De La Fontainsgift af padgegee het.
Militêre Rekord: Die Burgerkrygsraad van die Kaap het op 4 Julie 1740, na aanleiding van 'n voorstel deur luitenant Rudolf Siegfried Aalman, die president, besluit om een Veld-Corporaal onder het Caabse district aan te stel. Andries Brink word tot Wagtmeester op 11 Oktober 1740 verkies. Sy opdrag was om alle wandade wat deur gedroste slawe gepleeg is, asook verdere onheijlen teen te gaan en te voorkom. Hy het magtiging ontvang om, indien nodig, manskappe op te roep om hom by te staan.
In 1759 was daar ten minste vyf veldkorporaals en teen 1774 was die hele kolonie verdeel in dertien distrikte, elkeen met sy eie veldkorporaal Hulle opdrag was om goed toesig in hul distrikte te hou, sodat alle disorder en samenrotting van slawe verhinder en teengegaan kon word.
Geoordeel aan die uitgestrektheid van die distrikte, het hierdie veldkorporaals 'n baie groter verantwoordelikheid gehad as die gewone korporaal in die milisie.
Die Burgerkrygsraad van Stellenbosch het dit gevolglik goed gevind om tydens 'n vergadering gehou op 28 Maart 1774 die hoër rang van wagmeester aan hulle toe te ken, om as aanmoediging te dien vir die getroue nakoming van hul pligte. Voortaan sou hulle van die milisie se jaarlikse krygsoefeninge vrygestel wees.
Die Burgerkrygsraad van Stellenbosch het op 28 Desember 1773 'n brief van die inwoners van die Hantam en die Roggevelde oorweeg. Die strooptogte gepleeg deur die San het sodanig toegeneem dat daar versoek is dat 'n kommando daarheen gestuur moes word. Daar is verder versoek dat die taak van aanvoering nie aan een van die veldkorporaals oorgelaat moes word nie, maar aan 'n veldkcommandant wat vir hierdie doel oor hulle aangestel moes word. 'n Voorstel van die landdros is goedgekeur, waarvolgens die advies van die betrokke veldkorporaals ingewin moes word, voordat 'n finale besluit aangaande die aanstelling van een gesag hebbend officiere en die uitstuur van die kommando geneem sou word. Die veldkorporaals het opdrag ontvang om die vergadering van 28 Maart 1774 by te woon. Die Burgerkrygsraad van Stellenbosch het op daardie dag, na aanleiding van 'n voorstel van die landdros, eenparig besluit om Godlieb Rudolph Opperman, een van die veldkorporaals, aan te stel as veld commandant oor die dertien distrikte met hulle veldkorporaals.
Vanaf 1770 het die konflik met die Khoisan verskerp, veral in die omgewing van die Nuweveld- en Sneeuberge. Dit sou tot aan die begin van die negentiende eeu voortduur. Teen 1778 het die veeboere en die Xhosa aan die Oosgrens teen mekaar te staan gekom in die eerste van 'n reeks grensoorloë wat, met onderbrekings, vir 'n eeu sou aanhou. Dit moet verder in ag geneem word dat burgers wat op kommando uittrek, normaalweg geen vergoeding ontvang het nie. Gebuite beeste is wel in sommige gevalle onder lede van die kommando's verdeel.
Sommige van hierdie offisiere was so dikwels in die veld, dat hulle persoonlike bedrywighede skade gelei het. Een so 'n persoon was Opperman, wat op 6 Oktober 1777 by die Heemraad van Stellenbosch aansoek gedoen het om die amp van veldkommandant neer te lê.
Bewoning Suid-Afrika teen 1800 deur die setlaars. As gevolg van die uitgestrektheid van die land en die bedreiging deur die Khoisan in die Noorde en die Xhosa in die Ooste, het 'n gekombineerde vergadering van die Heemraad en die Burgerkrygsraad van Stellenbosch op 10 Oktober 1780 in beginsel besluit om meer as een veldkommandant aan te stel. Dit is verder goed gevind om vir elke veldkommandant ook 'n onderkommandant aan te stel, om hom by te staan en in sy plek waar te neem in geval van afwesigheid en siekte.Aan die bekleërs van beide ampte sou gepaste range in die burgermilisie toegeken word. As kommandant in die Ooste is Adriaan van Jaarsveld benoem en in die Noorde Charl Marais, albei met die rang van luitenant. Die onderkommandant in die Ooste sou David Schalk van der Merwe wees en in die Noorde Dawid de Villiers, albei met die rang van kornet. Die poste van kommandant en onderkommandant is soms ook eerste en tweede kommandante onderskeidelik genoem.
In 1682 het Simon Van der Stel vier van die vryburgers aangestel om as Heemrade op te tree en geskille onder die burgers te besleg. Die eerste plaaslike liggaam is op 31 Augustus 1682 deur Simon van der Stel en sy Politieke Raad in die lewe geroep. Daar is bevind dat te veel van die Raad van Justisie se tyd in beslag geneem word deur klein geskille en twisgedinge. Derhalwe is besluit om 'n hof van klein sake in die lewe te roep. Twee amptenare en twee burgers is aangestel as Raadslede. Een van die amptenare het die voorsitterstoel ingeneem, terwyl die sekretaris ook 'n amptenaar was. Tydens dieselfde vergadering is besluit om ook in Stellenbosch sake van minder belang te laat verhoor deur 'n plaaslike hof. Die vier lede van dié Raad is Heemrade genoem en was almal vryburgers.
Gedurende die Bataafse Tydperk was daar ook in elke distrik 'n landdros, bygestaan deur ses burgers as Heemrade en 'n sekretaris, om administratiewe pligte te vervul, huwelike te voltrek en as geregshof met beperkte mag op te tree. Gedurende die VOC tydperk was daar vir elke distrik vier Heemrade saam met die landdros in die Collegie van Landdros en Heemrade. Hulle is vir 'n tydperk van twee jaar aangestel en twee van hulle het jaarliks afgetree. Oud-Heemrade kon nie dadelik weer aangestel word nie.
Vier name is jaarliks aan die Goewerneur deur die Collegie voorgelê, waarvan enige twee aangewys kon word, maar dit was normaalweg die eerste twee op die lys. Andries Brink jnr is aan die einde van die onderstaande jare aangewys om van die begin van die jaar aangedui vir|twee jaar in Drakenstein se raad te dien.
Sterf: 21 Augustus 1789. TROU MET>
13 Julie 1738, N. G. Kerk Kaapstad

Mar 30 1749, Kaapstad Sophia Grové, tweelingsuster van Sara. Stammoeder. 1722-1749; het 4 kinders in die wêreld gebring. Sterf 21 Februarie 1749 in Stellenbosch, Wes Kaap, Suid Afrika

Andries BRINK 6.9.1739, burger Stellenbosch
s.v. Andries Brink en Sophia Grové xx
19.11.1780 Francois ROSSOUW 9.9.1731 s.v.
Pierre Rossouw en Marie Retief

Regards,
Amorie van Straaten Kahts

1st let me say that I am also of the opinion that our heritage is Danish. But circumstantial evidence aside...
What primary sources exist (other than a smartlink to other trees, which themselves are linked to yet other trees - and yet unfortunately devoid of primary sources) that connects Andries/Andreas Brink/Brinch to Anders Hansen Brinch? The South Africans link to the Danes and the Danes in turn link to us - yet no primary sources evident anywhere. Anyone have any luck with primary sources such as baptism registers etc.? Or are we all making a bit of a leap of logic?

Assuming Andreas Andersen Brink(31 jan 1712 - 21 aug 1789) is the same person as Andries Brink (possible as Andreas Grove - Andries's father-in-law [himself a Dane] changed his name to the Dutch 'Andries' while in service of the VOC), where is the primary source for Andreas Andersen Brink as the son of Anders Hansen Brinch?

In comment to the Original post:
I also see that on some webtrees that people conflate Waarde Zeeland (Netherlands) with Varde Zeeland/Zealand/ "Sjælland" (Denmark). Varde Denmark is in Jutland (the penisula) and not Zealand (the island) - the two are very far apart and have nothing to do with one another.

I found this
It is an earlier (2003) webtree that is independent from South African webtrees (that doesn't only rely on citing one another - reducing possible confirmation bias); doesn't use name 'Andries Brink' but instead use Danish 'Andreas'; has birth date of 31 January 1712; has place of birth as Varde, Ribe, Tonder, Denmark; and links him as son of Anders and Ingeborg.

url
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:93N1-7R2

Citation
"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:93N1-7B9 : accessed 4 August 2019), entry for Andreas ANDERSEN BRINK; file (2:2:2:MM9R-QRK), submitted 21 April 2003 by Hilde B. Snitchler [identity withheld for privacy].

Notes
Ancestral File Number
52TW-KXB

Person Count
334

Submission ID
MM9R-QRK

Still no primary sources though.

Sadly not...

But it is an Ancestral File from the Mormons.
They take these very serious and confirm them as accurate - usually as they pray for their ancestors.
I wonder if they would release their sources?

I have only recently started an online search for facts about my Brink stamvader. To my amazement, what I have found is confirmed by a paper document, a handdrawn family tree complete with Brink crest and motto: Aequus in ardius. This paper document has been in my family for over forty years (predating the Internet). Andries Brink (b 1712 in Zevenbergen, Denmark) is described as Danish, shipwrecked in 1737 and married in 1738 to Sophia Grove, daughter of Andries Grove. Later married to Alida de Waal in 1749.

:-) Denmark :-)

My research took me to Denmark! Although it occurs that his ancestors might have been Dutch.

Zevenbergen is in the Netherlands unless there is another in Denmark or could he have been living in that place before departing for the Cape of Good Hope. I cannot imagine how high a mountain must be in the Netherlands.

Derrick, you are correct indeed. Zevenbergen is in the Netherlands. Although there is no official record of Andries ever being in Zevenbergen, there is a family tradition that Andries was the extra-marital child of a Danish prince and somehow Zevenbergen is referenced. There is no evidence for either of these. Read especially page 5 of the pdf document
(in the document itself p93): 96http://www.angelfire.com/folk/brinkfamily/files/hoofstuk3.pdf

Also see pages 96 and 97

http://www.brinck.be/index.htm

Translated it reads as follows:
In the early 18th century, three brothers arrived in West Jutland from the Møgeltønder area.
Anders Hansen Brink (30 Nov 1688 - 16 Nov 1724) became mills in Varde and ancestor of the neighboring genus Brink. A branch by midwife Anne Cathrine Sørensdatter came to Sønderho and married in the genus Kromann. A branch at Niels Sørensen Brinck came to Nordby and became the ancestor of the genus Brinck. Niels's sister Rebecca Sørensdatter also came to Nordby and became a maternal grandmother to Abraham Lorentzen's maternal grandmother to the Abrahamsen family.
Laust Hansen Brinch (abt 1693 - 1 Jan 1752) became a mill in Alslev.
Peder Hansen Brinch(abt 1695 - Nov 13, 1743) came to Nordby, became mill manager at Nordby Mill and later inn tenants at Sønderho inn, which he bought in 1728.
He became the ancestor of the genus Brinch and his descendants are married in the genera Sonnichsen, Jerne and Harreby in Sønderho and Enne in Nordby.
The genus uses Brink in Varde, Brinch in Sønderho and Brinck in Nordby.
(NM Kromann, Fanø's story)
Hans Brink(abt 1665 - oct 1742)
m abt 1685 Karen ??? (abt 1660 - )
Anders Hansen Brink(30 nov 1688 - 16 nov 1724)
m 15 jan 1708 Ingeborg Andersdatter (abt 1694 - 12 apr 1756)
Laust Hansen Brinch(abt 1693 - 1 jan 1752)
m abt 1718 Ingeborg ??? (abt 1693 - 15 dec1755)
Peder Hansen Brinch(abt 1695 - 13 nov 1743)
m 11 dec 1718 Karen Sørensdatter (1700 - aug 1744)

The Anders Hansen Brink genus (mentioned above) link is here:
http://www.brinck.be/anders.htm

No dutch records of a Andries Brink originating from Waarde or Woerden in Netherlands. But an Andreas Brink that left Varde from the time. Andries's father in-law (of his first wife that later died) was also Danish and his original name was also Andreas, yet the Dutch called him Andries (Dutch version). Dutch pronunciation of foreign names was common in the Dutch East Indian Company. Varde in Denmark is the Waarde cited in the Dutch.

Andries Brink, die stamvader van die oorgrote meerderheid Brinks in Suid-Afrika, wat
vermoedelik vir ‘n tyd in Waarden Nederland vertoef het voordat hy op sy tog vertrek
het http://www.angelfire.com/folk/brinkfamily/files/hoofstuk3.pdf

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