Ancestry of Don Abraham Senior Coronel

No, it cannot, there is no genealogy of Don Abraham Senior Coronel's parents Jarrett Ross (112-1701-241-22)

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Can you provide more information?

The genealogy of Don Abraham Senor Coronel is documented in a number of sources - has Mr Ross or Mr Waas bothered to purchase the text of 'Divrei Hayamim mishpachot l'Bnei ibn Yahya' they would find that the genealogy of Don Abraham Senor is found in the text. The text was written by Elyakim Karmoly https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliakim_Carmoly

Moreover, had either Mr Ross or Mr Waas bothered to read the ibn Yahya Tapestry, they will find the entry of Don Abraham Senor in the Tapestry currently stored in JTS (a high resolution JPEG is available on geni.com). I cannot for ec anyone to read the tapestry, yet, it is available for inspection by anyone capable of clicking links in a website such as geni.com.

If that weren't enough to satisfy Mr Ross and Mr Waas, I recommend they take a look at the work of Sarina Roffe concerning Don Abraham Senor and the behavior of conversos throughout the middle ages. If Sarina Roffe's research is unsatisfactory, then I recommend they contact Lynn Russolovsky who also stored genealogy on Don Braham Senor (Coronel).

So, in light of the texts, tapestries, genealogists and researchers mentioned above, I can only point Mr Ross and Mr Waas at the texts, documents and researchers - they'll need to walk the rest of the way on their own power.

As for Mr Ross's comments - he was ignored because he presumed to operate from a position of authority when he has not demonstrated an ability to follow simple directions.

I promoted Eliakim Karnoly's book - Contrary to Mr Ross's insinuations, I have not written a book on the ibn Yahya Family, but, I did spend a great deal of time and money attaining the Tapestry JPEG, translating it and matching it to the Karmoly text using 3rd parties to perform the translations o as not to bias my own research in the matter.

The genealogy of a converso are in front of you - take the time to read it.

Hey Jim, Why don't you tell us incapable scholars of where to find it?

Lynn's work is thoroughly discredited and the Carmoly is not a primary source material at all.

Especially since I know both of these sources and neither contains a genealogy of Don Abraham Senior Coronel. Nice try, Jim.

Michael,

None have suggested you are "incapable scholars" in this thread - not certain how you arrived at that conclusion. Moreover, You have not clearly stated what your fact-based contention might be concerning Don Abraham Senor Coronel if only to offer an opinion.

If you have neither the Carmoly text, nor the work of Sarina Roffe, nor the tapestry jpeg in your hands, then you are making judgement calls without all the facts. I'm sure you are a well meaning chap anxious to be constructive and helpful but you are doing a good job of camouflaging it.

Perhaps you can be helpful and disclose the authoritative source which discredits Lynn's work? I've not seen such a document, nor have I witnessed anyone publicly denounce Lynn's work. I may have my own doubts about Lynn's work, but, I have yet to see anyone provide a full accounting of the flaws in his work...yourself included.

You'll have to provide something more than hear-say, and opinion, to sway me.

I'd prefer to be collaborative in sorting this out, Mr Waas, but thus far we aren't communicating very well.

J

Wow, thank you for the insulting responses Jaim. Here is the message of authority I sent Jaim for clarification to other users about the request to provide sourcing. -

"Hello Jaim,

I recently saw the additions you made to Don Abraham's ancestry and am very curious where this information came from. If you have any digitized documentation I would love to see it as his ancestry has always interested me but I didn't have the tools or resources to research further.

Thanks,
Jarrett"

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"Hello Jarrett,

I am assembling all of it in a book which will be released at iajgs in Jerusalem in June 2015. I am writing the book as a contribution author. Sarina Roffe is writing the rest of it.

I will let you know when the book is released...there is a lot of revelatory information in it which will surprise a great many people.

Warm regards,

J"

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"Jaim,

Where is the source of this information coming from?

Thanks,
Jarrett"

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"Archives at JTS, records in Ireland, as well as "Hayamim mishpachot l'Bnei Yahya"."

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After receiving these extremely vague answers from Jaim I turned to all of those who I knew to have worked on the Senior Coronel line by personally messaging them asking if they had any idea about this new information. Once I received responses saying they had no knowledge of any of this, and some in turn questioning it themselves, I turned to looking into Jaim as I had never heard of him before this incident. Being I have been a Wikipedian for over 10 years I thought I would look at Jaim's Wikipedia history to see more of his work, especially being it is something he mentions in his biography on here. What I found was a disregard for Wikipedia rules, copyright violations, a lack of working with other users, and arguments telling people they had no academic authority on Jewish subjects if they aren't Jewish. This all led to him being temporarily blocked from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimharlow99#October_2014).

After I saw all of this I thought a public discussion would be best to resolve the matter or at least give others a view into his claims as his dealing with criticism on Wikipedia led me to believe he did not take questions or criticism about his work tactfully and a public forum would be best to allow all views on his work to be heard. So yes Jaim, I did not follow your basic instructions of waiting 6 months to purchase your book, which you haven't even told us the title. As well, I do not presume to operate from any sort of authority on the Senior Coronel family but as a descendant of the Senior Coronel family I do have the authority to question any claims of new information about my heritage, especially ones which are also disputed by other researchers who I do respect. I find it funny how you demand such precise answers from Michael when you yourself have provided us with the most bare of answers to 'sway' us' on your own work.

The only link you have provided is to a French Wikipedia page about an author (you could have at least linked the Jewish Encyclopedia or some other English source) and all these other sources Michael and I should have read were never before mentioned or have ever been linked (they are obviously hard-to-find sources, so why not help us find them?). All that was mentioned was 'Hayamim mishpachot l'Bnei Yahya', which googling only turns up this discussion, and the Sarina Roffe book, which wasn't even available at the time I inquired this information. I have since looked for the book without being able to find it (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=S...) as none of the titles on amazon seem to match and if it is in a hard to find place, why not link us? Every answer you give us seems to be more of a run-around than anything and lacks any sort of notion of a collaborative effort.

I really don't think I am asking much when I seek the sources associated with your original research. Isn't that why academics publish their works, for review? If the answers are so readily available as you claim in your statement from September can you please link us? If you want to be collaborative in sorting this out then please help us understand your work and thought process in coming to your conclusions so everyone can form an opinion of it on their own.

I have already disclosed those texts - short of puechasing the books on your behalf , then flying to your location to read them to you, I am at a loss to explain you greivous miscalculation of your constructive contribution to this endeavor.

Dear all,

In the past I critrised Lynn Lewis, but always in private. I consider myself reasonable, and always assumed others would be as well. Circa 2005 I gave Lynn Lewis my notes on the Palachefamily . He put the result on various websites including Geni.com He made a crucial mistake in one of the intricate familyconnections, to which I drew his attention immediately. First he claimed he had been sick, and that had caused his mistake, then in a follow-up he cliamed that his genealogical software had done that, third time around he said that he had great experience in these matters. Nothing changed.

With new arguments I approached him in 2011, with the following text:
Dear Sir,

In the past we have had contact about the Palachefamily. I have given you a lot of information about this family. For some reason the data on your website and elsewhere, showed differences from the material that I gave to you.

The most important is the mistake you made in connecting Joseph Palache (?-Amsterdam – 1699, Hamburg) to Isaac Palache (1592, Fez – after 1647, ?) and Anna Philips.

In my opinion, Joseph Palache (circa 1615-1699 is the son of Jeosua Palache.
1. Joseph has a son Jeosua, but not an Isaac
2. Isaac was in Hamburg but only in passingby, Jeosua his brother, lived for a while in Hamburg
3. There is a gravestone in Hamburg with the name of Lediça Palache, Joseph had a daugtter of that name, which makes it likely that the first Lediça was his mother. She might have been married to Jeosua, but certainly not to Isaac
4. Isaac does have a son Joseph, but this son Joseph is born much to late (1630) for him to have a son who worked in the Synagogue of Hamburg in 1660, or to have daughters who married in 1670.
5. The grandchildren of Isaac all intermarried, but there were no marriages between descendants of Isaac Palache and Joseph Palache. This because of a rift in the family, and because Anna Philipse was Ashkenzanic.
6. When Joseph Palache introduced Moses Henriques to the Mahamad of Hamburg, he did not state that Moses Henriques was his brother-in-law.

Nothing happened

I wrote to him again in 2014:

Dear Sir,

In the past we corresponded about the Palachefamily. I still disagree with your representation of the the family, the biggest mistake ebing that you make Joseph Palache in Hamburg the son of Isaac Palache and Anna Philipse. In my view Joseph Palache of Hamburg is the son of Joshua Palache, and the evidence for this is still growing.

However, recently I noticed that you mashed the families Palache and Palacios together. There seems to be no evidence for this, and maybe it is based only on the apparent similarity of the names.

Herman Prins Salomon wrote a book about Fernao Alvares Melo in 1982. Fernao Melo is related to the family Palacios. In the attachment you will see a familychart of Vincent Furtado. You will notice that Pedro de Palacios in this chart has three children, one son, Manuel, and two daughters. There is no mention of a Palache. Since H.P. Prins based his book on an extensive research of the Portuguese Inquisition archives, you may rest assured that there is no relation between Palache and Palacios.

Best regards, Ton Tielen, The Hague
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The answer of Lynn Lewis:
judi and lynn <judilynn@tzora.co.il>
7/18/14

to me
Hi Ton
I am aware of the discrepancies between our representations of the Palache family and as I’ve not resolved them to my satisfaction I’ve left mine as it is but I’ve added a note on my web site that the discrepancies exist and that researchers should be aware of this. If I could see your tree rather than your indication that mine is incorrect we may be able to come to some agreement.
Kind regards
Lynn

I left it at that, because he already had my familytreeof the Palaches, and I wasn't going to give him new facts to mangle.
Nothing happened.

As regards Don Abraham Senior, there is very little reliable, except that the family was from O~na, Spain. The recent works, suggested by Mr Harlow, are very interesting, as reflected on Geni, but how reliable as they jump from Spain to France to Ireland, back to France and who knows where else! Irish history is quite detailed and his ancestors there would certainly have been noted by Irish historians.I am quite interested myself as my own surname is Senior

Several of the parents and grand great grand etc, have a male but no name for the spouse or , for that matter, unwed partner.. This makes it clear that, we are not talking facts, but rather guesswork. Nevertheless, a great deal of work must have gone into this ancestral pedigree and it should not be discarded but further explored to fill the gaps.

In Abraham Seneor (Fernán Pérez Coronel) y su linaje alcarreño by Jesús Carrasco Vázquez one small step towards the ancestry of Abraham Senior is established. That is, that Abraham's father was a Don Levi Seneor.

Re: Carmoly

On Carmoly, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliakim_Carmoly and http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4051-carmoly-eliakim

As you can read on Wikipedia:

"Carmoly's works have been severely attacked by the critics; and it must be admitted that his statements cannot always be relied upon.”

"Carmoly has been accused of fabrications by several scholars.[1] In particular, his itinerary of Isaac Chelo is commonly believed to be a forgery.[2]”

On the latter forgery, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Chelo

"He has been accused of fabrications by several scholars, see Cecil Roth (2007). "Forgeries". In Michael Berenbaum and Fred Skolnik (ed.). Encyclopaedia Judaica. 7 (2 ed.). Detroit: Macmillan Reference USA. pp. 125–126."