Pierre I Cronier, SV/PROG Parents

Let's include the managers of Estienne Cronjé in the search for Sources as well, Martin.

If we don't find them in a reasonable time, then we must disconnect from Pierre Crosnier and Marie-Martine Destroismaisons dit Picard as parents.

Hi All. In the book " Die Hugenote van Suid Afrika 1688-1988 written by Pieter Coertzen - Page 157 it says - (In Afrikaans so I will try)
44. Cronier (Crosnier,Cronjè) Estienne (1671-1718) Brother of Pierre Cronier (? - 1724). Place of origen(oorsprong) Thimerais-streek ( Normandië) Aarrived 1698 on board Driebergen - Unmarried.

45. Pierre brother of Estienne comes from Thimerais-streek (Normandië) Arrived 1689 on board ship Driebergen. Settles in Wagenmakersvallei on the farm Versailles. Married 1709 Suzanne Taillefert, widow of Jean Gardè 2 Sons and 4 daughters.

O yes and he is my 8th gggfather

Thanks Judi - so no info on his parents?
Pierre Crosnier comes from Normandy too, but I'm sure the area is large enough that it could be any of the collateral cousins that the SA Settler Pierre is descended from.

is this possible that this family name is Cronie a letter j look like a letter i

this idea came when looking at this
https://johanfourie.wordpress.com/tag/french-huguenot/

https://johanfourie.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/signaturesfrenchhug...

number 28 =Pierre Cronie
number 32 =Estiene Cronie

its my own interpretation ok i am not expert but,,,it look like alot Cronie

i am very interested to RECONECT the french family of SA this is sure they are related to those migrate in Quebec canada
leclerc marais duplessis.juste to name few .......
name variation difere .. but its the same family !

I have it that Pierre Crosnier was born in 1671 and died in 1718 (the dates you actually have for his brother Estienne!) He was married to Susanna Taillefert. She was the 5th of 6 children of Isaac Taillefert and Susanne Briet. The Tailleferts sailed on the "Oosterland" (a 160ft ship) from Middelburg in Holland on 29th January 1688.

Pierre and Susanna's only son, also Pierre (christened on 24-09-1713)
married Susanna Roi on 19-05-1741. Susanna Roi (christened 01-06-1717) was the daughter of Jean Roi (of Provance) and Maria le Febre, (married 11-09-1712) Maria le Febre's father Pierre le Febre arrived in the Cape in 1683.

Pierre Cronje I was purportedly born in Thimerais region of Normandy. When my wife and I went to France in 2013, we went and looked up the places where the Cronje's are said to have been born. Pierre I's father was recorded to have been born in Fontaine-le-Bourg in Normandy. We travelled by train from Paris to Rouen (where we saw the place where Joan of Arc was burnt at the stake) and then by bus to Fontaine-le-Bourg. It is a tiny village, with one bakery, one supermarket, one vehicle repair place, one chemist and about 6 ladies hairdressers and a municipal office. We went to the old cemetery and found the grave to be no older than about the early 1900s. We later found out that grave are leased for 50 years and if the lease is not renewed, it is reused. So no Cronier graves could be found. The we went to the Maire (municipal office).
The one lady could speak English and was super helpful. We looked in their records but it was not required that births had to be registered in those days, so we found nothing their either. They have no Crosniers (or variations thereof) living in the village. The lady referred us th the Home Affairs Office in Rouen, maybe they could help. We got the correct microfilms, only to find our that most of the village's records had been destroyed in a fire, so we got nothing there either.

The only reference to Thimarais (a river) in the name of a town or village was Chateauneuf-en-Thymerais (meaning New Chateau on the Thymerais river) but the town was not in Normandy but in Thymerais Province. We nevertheless went there hoping to find something, again leaving from Paris. First a train to Chartres (pronounced Shart) and then a bus to Chateauneuf-en-Thymerais. We found nothing of the Cronje's there either. It is a bustling town and a very busy main road runs through it today. It amused/amazed us that most businesses in town closed between 13h00 and 14h00 daily.

Pierre Crosnier (your Pierre Crosnier I's father)
Birth: circa 1615 Fontaine-le-Bourg, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Death: September 26, 1710 (91-99) Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Immediate Family: Son of Pierre Crosnier and Mathurine Crosnier
Husband of Jeanne Nodreau
Father of Marie Martine Crosnier, Fille Du Roy; Pierre I Cronier, SV/PROG and Estienne Cronjé, SV/PROG II

Pierre Crosnier

Jeanne Rotreau

Thank you Malcolm. I have the brothers the same.
Martin the surname became Cronje in South Africa due to the spelling that the Netherlands VOC people interpreted it.
So glad this is sorted out.
have a good evening.

My surname "van Coller" which appears to be Dutch, was originally "von Cöller", a German surname and around 1820 to 1825 the surname was "Dutchified" and took its current form. It seems like it was either peer pressure that (you seemed to belong if you have a Dutch surname) did this or the Dutch administration that forced the change from other languages to Dutch. I would guess that is also how Crosnier became Cronje.

nothing have been found saying that
Pierre I Cronier, SV/PROG
he is the brother of
Marie Martine Crosnier, Fille Du Roy it mean that parents of
Pierre I Cronier, SV/PROG is unknow
plz disconect him

Does everyone agree that we should disconnect? Private User?

sory but no one have show records or fact relate him to Martine and parentage
he can be disconect
for martine we got records btw.

Martin, please remind me in a week - otherwise we haven't really given it a 'reasonable time'

you can disconect him no proof no records

Thanks for the reminder, Martin. You're a star.
I've disconnected him and his brother. Maybe we'll find Sources one day to prove / disprove the possibility. Until then....

i am working on to find the french ancestor of SA i hope to get a solid line but for now i got too many cut off of family member in european site

All the SA French Huguenots are SA's French ancestors, Martin. See: http://www.geni.com/projects/SA-French-Huguenot-Settlers/8652

i was mean find the european family line and make the conection
thank you for the link

Sorry, Martin. You're going out of your way to write in my mother tongue - I should have thought harder about you meant :-(

I've had a message from Anwyl Minnaar
Hi Im a direct descendant now living in NZ.
Just a question relating to Marie-Martine Destroismaisons dit Picard I was looking into this before i saw your post about her not being related [to Pierre Cronjé, SV/PROG 1].

Whom does one believe. It is so hard on the internet. having delved further into this it looks like the peple on this site havebeen very robust. i have copied three links below, my initial one i found,(linda's Tree) then the references she gives for her data.
http://www.branches-n-twigs.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I2...
http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/004/004679.php
http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/000/000871.php
these last two are a from a researcher who even gives DNA data.
then there are two one paid and the other i can't open that are official records.

Any light on the matter would be great.
Greetings from very sunny NZ - a bit of a drought out here on the East.
Regards Anwyl

http://www.branches-n-twigs.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I2... (I see the above wasn't working)

Anwyl, am I missing something here?
I don't see anything in those links that connects Jeanne Rotreau & Pierre Crosnier as the parents of Estienne Cronjé & Pierre Cronjé, SV/PROG 1?

Hi
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cronier-50
on this site they are linked. and
https://www.myheritage.com/names/pierre_cronier talks of them being stamvaders parents?

Hi there. THe My Heritage ones are copies from our tree :-(
I'm trying to find the sources for the wikitree ones? Can you see any?

Private User, I have just started the Normandy project & reread your travelogue here. I see I failed to comment at the time & I'd read then too, and thought 'Well that is helpful to know on the journey I one day plan to take to France, visiting the Huguenot places of origin". Sorry, I must have responded in my head and thought I'd written it down. Sometimes I'm doing too many things at once when I'm trying to research and annotate and use the wikitexting on projects at the same time :-(.