Mary Scriven (Hilton) - Was Mary Scriven really a Hilton?

Have you checked these sources yet?

Charles N. Sinnett The History of the Scribner Families in America Fertile, Minnesota, 1914 Repository Maine State Library, Augusta, Maine. p 20 - 22

G. W. Chamberlain The Descendants of Charles Glidden of Portsmouth and Exeter, New Hampshire Boston: 1925 p 77

Frank R. Holmes Title: Directory of the Ancestral Heads of New England Families 1620-1720 Publication: Name: Genealogical Publ. Co., Inc.

Child's Genealogy of Henniker, New Hampshire

Ruth Lawrence, 1933, New York Title: Colonial Families of America

I just added these sources to John's profile since it didn't have any sources yet. But I haven't reviewed them.

I checked Noyes Libby and Davis and they don't even have a daughter Mary. They do say under Edward Hilton: "Sobriety, m. 20 Nov. 1651 Henry Moulton. (Savage mistook her name for Mary.)"

Thanks for the list.

Can’t find a copy of “The Scribner Families in America”

“The Descendants of Charles Gliddeen of Portsmouth and Exeter, New Hampshire” has both names, but typically referring to land boundaries. There is nothing about wives or children – no genealogies for these two men. I would delete this source..

“The Directory of the Ancestral Heads of New England Families 1620-1720” does not list any wives or children. I would delete this source.

I haven’t found the other 2 books yet.

“The Great Migration Directory, Immigrants to New England, 1620-1640” 2015 points to “The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England, 1620-1633” 1996 for Edward Hilton. It only lists the 4 sons and 2 daughters Susanna and Sobriety. This then points to Noyes, Libby and Davis where the same children are listed. Its second reference is Mary Lovering Holman’s “Pillsbury Ancestry” 1938; it lists the same 6 children for Edward Hilton.

“History of the Town of Andover New Hampshire 1751-1906” 1910by John R Eastman has genealogies for both Scribner and Hilton. The genealogy for John Scribner has the wife Mary with no surname. The genealogy for Edward Hilton shows a seventh child, Mary, but has her married to Joseph Hall of Exeter.

Thanks for researching this. I'll ask the question over at Wikitree as a backup but I think you are correct and she is Mary (MNU) and should be disconnected.

The only copy of Charles N. Sinnett The History of the Scribner Families in America Fertile, Minnesota, 1914 is at the Maine State Library, Augusta, Maine. I guess you could order a copy of a page but what I think is since the family association has reviewed this document and they just list Mary (MNU) that means there is no evidence of Hilton being her name. But you could always send them a message: http://www.scribnerfamilies.org

Please edit the source list per your recommendation and add your notes above so that other researchers can find your research.

If any new information surfaces from G2G on Wikitree I will let you know but I seriously doubt it.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/219963/soure-mary-hilton-married-john-...

If not I'll see if I can get her disconnected over there too.

Thanks for your work!

Fred,

I did find one source that claims his wife was a Mary Hilton dau of Edward:

However, George Norbury Mackenzie in 1914 wrote: "It is claimed that his wife was Mary Hilton, dau. of Edward Hilton, one of the historic founders of New Hampshire, 1623, and that he came from Kent, England." <ref>George Norbury Mackenzie, Colonial Families of the United States of America, (1914) Volume IV: Scribner Family p 448-9 ("It is claimed that his wife was Mary Hilton, dau. of Edward Hilton, one of the historic founders of New Hampshire, 1623, and that he came from Kent, England.") [http://interactive.ancestry.com/48073/ColonialFamiliesIV-003090-448... link]</ref>

Then there is the old Savage reference. So it may be incorrect. But we might want to add this source and add a "Disputed Wife" section to discuss older sources conflicting with newer sources.

We should mention John Scriven so this shows up on his discussion tab.

Roland Henry Baker: I'm also involved in the Mary Scriver/Scribner/Hilton business.
www.myheritage.com/matchingresult-b0fb517ff7ae39c2ad47745879f760d6?...... shows John Scribner,Jr. Parents as John Scriven and Mary "Scribner" Scriven (born Hilton) It also shows Parents as John Scribner and Mary Hilton. Help!
Thank you, Richard Lee Mudgett

Roland Henry Baker: I'm going to Chancellor@Plantagenetsociety.org and try to find out what they accept as a founding immigrant; one being Edward Hilton, Mary's father the other is thru John Scriven. The paths lead to Edward IV and round-about to Edward III.
I will keep you advised of my efforts. Both Edward Hilton and John Scriven were boat/ship captians; maybe land, ship or captians have ownership records. I live on the west coast and would need help for someone to try to find these records. Thank you, Richard Lee Mudgett

Fred:
I have a page from a book which questions that Mary is a Hilton. Send me your address and I will send you a copy. I can't scan.
Dick

To All Concerned:
I have a copy p. 448, "COLONIAL FAMILIES OF THE UNITED STATES" which speaks to Scriven, Scrivener, Scribner and Mary Hilton.
I can't scan but, will mail a copy to any who will send their address.
Dick Mudgett

Thanks for the research Richard! I concur that she was not a Hilton or at least there is no evidence to support this. Over on Wikitree we have changed her name to Mary Unknown.

Here's a link to page 448 on Ancestry.com for anyone who wants a copy.

http://interactive.ancestry.com/48073/ColonialFamiliesIV-003090-448...

From my point of view, Edward Hilton is known to have had the following children:

" Edward Hilton and his first wife were the parents of six children: Edward 1626-1699, William 1628-?, Samuel 1630-?, Sobriety 1632/33-?, Susannah 1635-?, and Charles 1642?-?."

Perhaps contact the curator to disconnect & make MP'd placeholder parents ?

We did but Ben is very backlogged these days. I sent him another reminder.

It's OK, I'll do it now, because as long as he knows, it's good. It's the "not knowing" the decision that's the issue, not getting it done. And I'm as responsible to look after the "family" group.

While I was making placeholders I went ahead and made Edward Hilton's first wife. Feel free to improve, request management of the profile, etc.

Edward Hilton's 1st wife

Very nice! Thanks you! The poor, poor Hiltons. There are more misstatements relative to this family than almost any other of early days with erroneously assigned spouses and children everywhere. It's nice to see them slowly getting their glow of legitimacy back :)

Can we find homes for more of Edward Hilton's spare kids?

I disconnected John Hilton, of Wethersfield but NN was born in New Hampshire as was
NN

I will come back and fix the Hiltons including these strays at some point but I've got too many projects going on right now to give them the full focus they deserve.

No worries! I'll look around and see if they belong to a brother or something, and try and get more notes & sourcing going for all the kids.

This reference has a great amount of detail that refutes the idea that Mary was a Hilton. https://sites.rootsweb.com/~yewenyi/5/21123.htm

With regard to Mary Scriven, it had been commonly believed that she was a daughter of Edward Hilton of Dover. However, that assumption has been shown to be incorrect. Edward Hilton had two daughters, neither of whom was named Mary. One of the daughters, Susannah, married Christopher Palmer. The other daughter, Sobriety, married Henry Moulton (Noyes, GENEALOGICAL DICTIONARY OF MAINE AND NEW HAMPSHIRE [op. cit.], 332). One historian, Rev. J. Woodbury Scribner, states that "The Widow Mary lived on for 25 years after the death of her husband" (SCRIBNER FAMILIES [op. cit.], 18). Wurt's MAGNA CHARTA, 7 [op. cit.] indicates that Mary died in 1695 (page 2072).
One of their sons, Edward, was impressed into the English Navy in 1679 (Noyes, 615). No further information about Edward is known. Their other children were John (b. 1657), Elizabeth (b. 1668), and Thomas (b. 25 December 1672).