Please do NOT merge unsourced duplicates into the MEDIEVAL tree

Started by Sharon Doubell on Friday, July 29, 2016
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10/7/2016 at 10:33 AM

Esther Rowe Irish It looks like several of these profiles were already merged, but the merger didn't resolve conflicting data. Examples of what Sharon is talking about when she talks about power mergers who don't clean up the tree or the profiles after their careless and thoughtless merges.

10/7/2016 at 10:53 AM

Sometimes what is going on is that one of us is in the process of doing a LOT of merging and cleaning up, and not every data conflict gets cleaned up immediately.

I, for instance, have several windows going at the moment, and am switching back and forth between merging, unmerging, and resolving data conflicts.

10/7/2016 at 10:57 AM

Anne Brannen, thanks for the explanation. It makes sense, and I hope I haven't put a cloud over you and all the good work you do.

10/7/2016 at 11:21 AM

Thank you! We are working hard on cleaning up the medieval tree!

The gist of all this is -- please DON'T post the data cleanups!

What we need is the unsourced medieval profiles.

Because every time they get merged in carelessly, or merged in by someone who isn't checking to see what problems got caused by the merge, they cause, well, obviously, problems.

The data conflicts are one of those problems, but we don't need to get pointed to them.

Here's my trick -- by which I mean, this is how I do it --

I have a list of Important Medieval Personages, and every week I go through and click on "view nearby merge issues," which is available up at the top right hand corner of profiles -- click on "Actions," and it's on the pull down tab. And then I clean things up. This sometimes takes weeks.

For a look at how big the mess is that's created by merge issues that aren't resolved, try this --

Let's see, who haven't I gotten to yet...

yes, let's try this. Let me go find somebody -- Ok!

Click on this profile, and then go to Actions, up in the right hand corner, and click on "view nearby merge issues."

Aonghas Óg Eoin

That's what we are up against.

10/7/2016 at 6:27 PM

Tree Matches for Toirrdelbach O'Brien
Not sure if this link will reproduce what I saw - https://www.geni.com/search/matches?id=6000000040729995245&src=...

but the following is what I got

@Toirdelbach Ó Briain, High King of Ireland
Toirrdelbach O'Brien
(1009 - 1086)
Son of Teige O'Brien
Father of Dairmait Mactoirrdelbaig O'Brien
J. D. Martin
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@Toirdelbach Ó Briain, High King of Ireland
Turlogh O'Brien, High King of Ireland
(1009 - 1086)
Son of Prince (Terence) Teige O'Brien
Father of Dermot O'Brien, King of Munster; Murtogh O'Brien, High King of Ireland and Dairmait Mactoirrdelbaig O'Brien
Brother of Conchobhar Ua Brain, King of Munster and Tadgh Ua Briain, King of Thomond
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It did not bring this profile up as a match - but it exists & matchs the 1st on I believe -
@Toirdelbach Ó Briain, High King of Ireland
Toirrdelbach O Brien
Gender: Male
Birth: 1240
Immediate Family:
Son of Teige O Brien and More OMulloy
Husband of Dub Choblaig O Brian (Mac Lorcain)
Father of Derbail Ó Caellaide (O Brian)
Added by: Cody Robert Work on January 15, 2014
Managed by: Gayle Hope and Cody Robert Work
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10/7/2016 at 7:26 PM

Anne Brannen I took a look at the merge issues you pointed us too, and I see very clearly how huge the problem is. From just that one merge there are 50 PAGES of merge issues - not 50 problems but 50 pages! That very succinctly shows why it's so important to NOT merge unsourced profiles.

Why does Geni not put some safeguards in place? They're desperately needed!

10/7/2016 at 8:21 PM

Abbie Louise -- yep! Pages and pages. He is now on my list.

But look again. That isn't from one merge. That is a collection of years of fallout from merges, unresolved. The tree conflicts go back to 2014. The data conflicts g back to 2011.

There has been a lot of discussion about what, if anything, to do. The medieval and ancient branches of the tree are highly problematic, because they look easier to work in than they are. If a web tree gives you a line back to Charlemagne, why not copy it in?

And of course the answer is not just because the people in between us and Charlemagne are already in the tree, but because the web tree isn't a trustworthy source. And it is hard for people who,aren't pretty well versed in the middle ages to tell what are reliable sources and what aren't for the time.

But the problem of course is that Geni is collaborative. We are all working together on the tree. So we don't want to unnecessarily restrict users.

So people are thinking about it. Make relationships lockable? Restrict access to the earlier branches of the tree? Useful aspects and problematic aspects to both solutions.

And also whatever gets decided on has to get coded.

There is no easy nor quick solution.

10/8/2016 at 6:43 AM

Thanks Judi. Sorted

10/10/2016 at 10:12 PM

The below may be surplative/duplicate undocumented trees - as all attached as father of
@Fedelmid Aislingich mac Aengusa, Rí na Dál Riata

@Prince Fergus Goll, Ancestor of the Gowrie Men
Prince Fearghus De Ireland
Gender: Male
Birth: 362
Death: 419 (57)
Immediate Family:
Son of Prince Eochaidh De Ireland
Father of Fedelmid Aislingich Fedlimid Aisling of Dál mac Aengusa, Rí na Dál Riata
Added by: Sven Charlesson Hesla on April 5, 2016
Managed by: Sven Charlesson Hesla

@Aengus Buidnech mac Feideilmid, Rí na Dál Riata
Fedelmid (Agnus) Mac Aengusa
Gender: Male
Birth: 322
Ulster, Ireland
Death: 405 (83)
Scotland, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:
Son of Angus Buidnech MacFiedeilmid (Fedemid) and Unknown MacFiedeilmid
Husband of Unknown Mac Aengusa
Father of Fedelmid Aislingich Fedlimid Aisling of Dál mac Aengusa, Rí na Dál Riata
Added by: Virginia Vail Kivlighan on June 16, 2015
Managed by: Virginia Vail Kivlighan and Cerulean Oliver Ozarow

@Senchormac Fincormach mac cruithluithe kong of Ri na Dal Riata, Irland
Senchormac Fincormach mac cruithluithe kong of Ri na Dal Riata, Irland
Gender: Male
Birth: 280
Death: 338 (58)
Immediate Family:
Son of Cruitlinde mac Finn Kong of Ri na Dal Riata Irland 260 - 317
Father of Fedelmid Aislingich Fedlimid Aisling of Dál mac Aengusa, Rí na Dál Riata
Added by: Hanne Dreier on March 16, 2015
Managed by: Hanne Dreier

@Romaich
Romaich
Gender: Male
Birth: estimated before 375
Immediate Family:
Son of Thrinklind
Father of Fedelmid Aislingich Fedlimid Aisling of Dál mac Aengusa, Rí na Dál Riata
Added by: Andrei uSTARes ACOSTA on December 5, 2012
Managed by: Andrei uSTARes ACOSTA and Hannah Mojave Brewer

10/11/2016 at 1:00 AM

This one has a Source: Aengus Buidnech mac Feideilmid, Rí na Dál Riata - rather start a Discussion on it.

10/12/2016 at 4:10 PM
10/14/2016 at 8:59 AM

Believe ssuplerative ancestry has been tacked onto this mastered profile
@Bouin of Vienne, count & lay abbot of Gorze

Bouin MP
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 810
Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France
Death: after January 11, 863
Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France
Immediate Family:
Son of Richard X de Vienne and mm d'Amiens (d''Amiens)

as follows @Richard X de Vienne

Richard X de Vienne
Gender: Male
Birth: 780
France
Death: 830 (50)
Immediate Family:
Son of Richard Roens
Husband of mm d'Amiens (d''Amiens)
Father of Bouin of Vienne, count & lay abbot of Gorze
Added by: W.A. Engle on December 13, 2015
Managed by: W.A. Engle and 3 others

10/15/2016 at 2:04 PM

These ONLY APPEAR to be the same - each is quite confusing

@Signy Sigardsdatter
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Signy Sigardsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth: circa 748
Oppheim, Ørland, Sor-Trondelag, Norway
Death: circa 799 (43-59)
Agdenes, Sor-Trondelag, Norway
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Sigard Grjotgardsson Herse and Mrs Sigard Grjotgardsson
Wife of Harald Trondsson, Namdalsjarl
Mother of Herlaug Jarl av Naumadal Haraldsson, Naumdølajarl
Added by: Søren Færch Jensen on April 24,

@Signy Sigardsdatter

Signy Sigardsdotter (Sigarsdatter / Sigardsdatter)
Gender: Female
Birth: between circa 744 and circa 748
Oppheim, Ørland, Sor-Trondelag, Norway
Death: between circa 768 and circa 799 (12-63)
Agdenes, Sor-Trondelag, Norway
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Sigard Grjotgardsson Herse and Wife of Sigard Grjotgardsson*
Mother of Wife of Herlaug Haraldsson
Added by: Patricia Jean Ravarra, Ms. on April 19, 2016
Managed by: Patricia Jean Ravarra, Ms.

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10/16/2016 at 6:48 PM

It's really quite simple, Judy. Go to Tree view. Select a profile you want to merge, choose "Move", and then drag it on top of the profile you want to merge it with. Select "Same person".

Sometimes you will be able to complete the merge routine by yourself; sometimes you will need the assistance of a Pro or a Curator.

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