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Started by Inge Barfod on Wednesday, September 7, 2016
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9/7/2016 at 2:35 PM

These evidence should be able to eliminate any "speculative" arguments related to this argue of contradiction, concerning Hallstein Torleivssons connection to Skancke and hereby the connection between Skancke and Isle of Mann
(In my best English)
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Skanke/default.aspx?section=yr...
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skancke
YDNA-haplogrupp R1b-S6989 (Skanke slægten)
In the summer of 2016, there have been DNA results chains Rollo of Normandy with family Skancke The results evidence include - As good as possible - that the Danish kings of Man sought refuge in Norway o.1250 and took the name Skancke.
http://www.vikingekonger.dk/Vikingekonger%20HTML/Centrale%20dele/Pr...
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The real finale is that in 2013 obtained a qualified estimate of Rollo's DNA profile and now in July 2016 a similar DNA Description 2 from the genus Skancke in Norway (see the kings of Man). Michael R. Maglio has synthesized Rollo profile of haplotype R1b by a pooled analysis of 37 markers in the profiles of 152 contemporary, putative descendants of Rollo. In addition, 2 living, documented descendants of Peder Nielsen Skancke, d. O.1410, contributed DNA figures for the same 37 markers. (Sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skancke, Ref.3).
Rollo and Skanckes agnatic ancestors meet with me (Peter Lawætz) in Randver, f. 719. With 10-15 marker unit differences in the profiles can be concluded that they are of the same genus with about 1 mutation per. 3 generations.
The result is that Rollo of Normandy belonging to the Danish royal family, to the Danish kings of Man, probably by marriage had been pretty Norwegian, in 1250 moved to the neighborhood of Trondheim and then to Jemtland in Norway, where they took the name Skancke, and that the total Danish royal family, the Friesian line is connected as described in this article series.
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And please read the document about: Rejecting or disallowing the doubt at GVC Young's legal capacity as competent historian and solicitor, he based his research, conclusion and documentation, here just scanned from this book: THE HISTORY OF THE ISLE OF MAN UNDER THE NORSE or - now through a glass darkly - from 1981

From the very beginning, the author did not knew he would end up with the issue “Hallstein” as a descendant of Godred III Crovan Haraldson (Old Irish: Gofraid mac meic Arailt, In Manx folklore he is known as King Orry, OldNorse Godfrið) and the father of Hallstein was Torleiv Haraldson, and his father Harald III Godredson, and his father Godred Don. The author was independant of the Uni establishment, and had nothing to win or loose by giving his due.
From ingebarfod@mail.dk

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9/7/2016 at 3:08 PM

Thank you Inge, it gives a bit more clarity and information.

Was there any connection to Jens (Peder's brother)? Is there a marker on the Y-side?

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9/7/2016 at 3:15 PM

It might not have any significant impact what you wrote since one of the Norwegian curators have decided by him self that it's all just a myth and hard locked all the profiles that should lead to the Isle of Man.

9/7/2016 at 3:48 PM

Inge Barfod can you show me where in the pages you are linking to that the evidence eliminating any "speculative" arguments related to linking Hallstein to Isle of Man?

The link to FTDNA just gives me a blank page With no information.

The Swedish wiki-page explicitly states that what Young is writing is just a theory.

And the link to vikingkonger.dk just gives me a HTTP 404. Which means that the page is nonexistent.

And we will hopefully have the exact Y-DNA of Rollo in a few months since the tombs of his grandson and greatgrandson was opened last March in Fécamp by the Explico Foundation and several different DNA laboratories got teeth to try to extract DNA from. So, please let us wait with further speculation about Rollo until we have better proof.

9/7/2016 at 9:19 PM

The DNA-Project that Inge tries to link to: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Skanke?iframe=yresults proves that Jens, Mårten and Faste was Brothers and sons of Peder Jensson, but nothing further yet: Peder (Per) Jensson [Skanke] They also share among others the SNP S6989: https://yfull.com/tree/R-CTS2158/ And theres absolutely nothing known about Rollos DNA yet, only guessing.. We will know more in the months to come, as Remi, Metions his grandson and great-grandson are being analyzed and the DNA is now under sequencing. They are now searching for someone With Barfod paternal lineage, but none has been found yet.

9/8/2016 at 5:58 AM

*I mean of course that the Skane Project is searching for paternal lineages of Barfod, who supposedly have a common origin with Skanke. I hope that its possible to find as Im descendant of both Barfod and Skanke. The vikingekonger link is probably to this site: http://www.vikingekonger.dk/Vikingekonger%20HTML/Centrale%20dele/Pr...

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9/8/2016 at 1:29 PM

Thank you David Widerberg Howden. The DNA chart was very helpful.

9/8/2016 at 7:43 PM

I'm glad someone has come forth with som DNA data.n I wish we had more. I'm afraid that my DNA won't be of much help since my Skanke connection is kvindlig through my oldemor.

9/9/2016 at 2:20 AM

In my latest contribution, these ends were missing twice in two links during the implementation, and I do not understand why:
1. section=yresults
2. Prologen.htm
Other relevant links for comprehension (and a little bit beyond mine)
http://norwaytoday.info/culture/dna-hunters-unopened-viking-grave-i...
DNA hunters has opened Viking grave in Normandie
http://originsdna.blogspot.dk/2014/04/exploring-rollos-roots-dna-le...
Tuesday, April 29, 2014 Exploring Rollo's Roots: DNA Leads the Way
https://www.familytreedna.com/understanding-dna.aspx
Understanding DNA
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/dna-basics/ydna/
Paternal Lineages Tests
NB! Your Ancestral Origins:
Our Y-DNA marks the path from our direct paternal ancestors in Africa to their locations in historic times. Your ancestors carried their Y-DNA line on their travels. The current geography of your line shows the path of this journey. You can learn about the basics of your line’s branch on the paternal tree from your predicted branch placement. This information comes from scientists who study the history of populations across geography and time using Y-DNA. They use both the frequencies of each branch in modern populations and samples from ancient burial sites. With these, they are able to tell us much about the story for each branch. This traces back hundreds, thousands, or even tens of thousands of years. Your branch on the tree tells you where your paternal ancestors are present today and about their likely migration paths. This is your Y-DNA haplogroup.
https://dna-explained.com/2012/10/01/4-kinds-of-dna-for-genetic-gen...
4 Kinds of DNA for Genetic Genealogy

9/9/2016 at 2:31 AM

I se the problem is still going strong to some links end!

The missing links.
in-normandie/ related DNA hunters has opened Viking grave in Normandie

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9/9/2016 at 3:24 AM

Hallstein Torleivsson
Attention to the anticlockwise symbol at Hallstein Torleivson’s seal, which is unlike his son Nils Hallstein’s seal and the symbol of Isle of Man.
Perhaps the symbol means “leave or abandon the past” oposite clockwise could mean “normalize”

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000046620013339&
Rejecting or disallowing the doubt at GVC Young's legal capacity as competent historian and solicitor, he based his research, conclusion and documentation, here just scanned from this book: THE HISTORY OF THE ISLE OF MAN UNDER THE NORSE or - now through a glass darkly - from 1981.
And from the very beginning, the author did not knew he would end up with the issue “Hallstein” as a descendant of Godred III Crovan Haraldson (Old Irish: Gofraid mac meic Arailt, In Manx folklore he is known as King Orry, OldNorse Godfrið) and the father of Hallstein was Torleiv Haraldson, and his father Harald III Godredson, and his father Godred Don. The author was independant of the Uni establishment, and had nothing to win or loose by giving his due.

To put it bluntly, the Skanke family's connection to the last kings on the Isle of Man is a legend that forms the basis of a working hypothesis. Personally, I had dismissed this connection until recently. Today we have evidence that the Y-DNA mutation R-S6989 has been on the Isle of Man. The Viking boat grave at Balladoole on the Isle of Man has been confirmed to be positive for S6989 and the S3201 sub-branch. It is still too early to say anything, but today most of the tracks lead to the Swedish west coast or its immediate vicinity. At least on the branch that matches DNA from the Isle of Man. Under S6989 there are today six different branches. Two of these we have very many tested people in, but we continue to work to ensure origin. Whether the Skanke family is descended from the last kings of the Isle of Man, we may never know, but we will know how the Y-DNA has traveled through time.

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